Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

average_runner

The difference between those and the vaccine, is that all of those things depends on will power and the perfect human. There is no need for will power on the vaccine, as it is there for you already.

Now maybe the government should make smoking and drinking illegal, that would stop the above you posted.

Tenzor07

Vicxas wrote: »

Nothing to do with lockdown, people are just buying phones online now.

Carphone warehouse closing isn't exactly "Nothing to do with the lockdown" when it obviously is...

We've been in Lockdown for 13 months, people terrified to leave their homes and not permitted to travel to the high street or shopping centres... So what do they do? Order online..
With everyone ordering online it will be hard to get them back out purchasing locally and supporting jobs..

Less/no footfall in towns - Business close


Very sad to see in my local shopping centre where the Travel agents and the phone store is now boarded up due to the never ending lockdown..

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Carphone warehouse closing isn't exactly "Nothing to do with the lockdown" when it obviously is...

We've been in Lockdown for 13 months, people terrified to leave their homes and not permitted to travel to the high street or shopping centres... So what do they do? Order online..
With everyone ordering online it will be hard to get them back out purchasing locally and supporting jobs..

Less/no footfall in towns - Business close


Very sad to see in my local shopping centre where the Travel agents and the phone store is now boarded up due to the never ending lockdown..

So by that logic, why aren't eir, 3, virgin mobile and all the Chinese phone shops closing down?

Carphone warehouse failed because it was an outdated business model. It failed in the uk and it failed here.

average_runner

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Carphone warehouse closing isn't exactly "Nothing to do with the lockdown" when it obviously is...

We've been in Lockdown for 13 months, people terrified to leave their homes and not permitted to travel to the high street or shopping centres... So what do they do? Order online..
With everyone ordering online it will be hard to get them back out purchasing locally and supporting jobs..

Less/no footfall in towns - Business close


Very sad to see in my local shopping centre where the Travel agents and the phone store is now boarded up due to the never ending lockdown..

Nothing to do with lockdown. They closed them down in the UK before lockdown started and said Ireland will also go that way before lockdown started.


Was in a shopping centre at the weekend, Boots, Easons, cafes were all packed, Car phone empty, 3 and eir a queue out side it

Boggles

Tenzor07 wrote: »

We've been in Lockdown for 13 months

Have you?

That would explain a lot actually.

showpony1

Michael saying everyone will receive a vaccine by June, won't happen but sure why not say it anyway nothing will happen when it doesn't.

Degag

showpony1 wrote: »

Michael saying everyone will receive a vaccine by June, won't happen but sure why not say it anyway nothing will happen when it doesn't.

Where did he say that? The message of 80% by June doesn’t seem to have changed.

LuckyLloyd

Boggles wrote: »

How is Xtra-Vision doing?

We need to open up immediately!! :eek:

Tenzor07

average_runner wrote: »

Nothing to do with lockdown. They closed them down in the UK before lockdown started and said Ireland will also go that way before lockdown started.
Was in a shopping centre at the weekend, Boots, Easons, cafes were all packed, Car phone empty, 3 and eir a queue out side it

Both Lockdown and Brexit are still contributing factors to the loss of physical retail as people order online, that's a fact.
Peoples behaviors have changed now due to the ongoing restrictions...
I'd attribute Easons, and Boots being packed as due to bored browsers, however people will just go online to buy expense items like phones.
Cafe's? Can't be ordered online!

Sharpyshoot

Nice day out if the bars were open with outdoor area. We are thirsty.

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

Should we get fat people to sign something similar if they don't agree to lose a few pounds?

As mad as it sounds a covid would be much less an issue of obesity wasn’t as prevalent

average_runner

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Both Lockdown and Brexit are still contributing factors to the loss of physical retail as people order online, that's a fact.
Peoples behaviors have changed now due to the ongoing restrictions...
I'd attribute Easons, and Boots being packed as due to bored browsers, however people will just go online to buy expense items like phones.
Cafe's? Can't be ordered online!

hmmm, have you hit a new idea

average_runner

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

As mad as it sounds a covid would be much less an issue of obesity wasn’t as prevalent

Very true. Obesity would be less of an issue if Alcohol wasn't available and sugary snacks!!!

facehugger99

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

As mad as it sounds a covid would be much less an issue of obesity wasn’t as prevalent

Amazing with all the finger-wagging going on for the last 13 months that obese people seemed to escape any kind of telling off from Tony and his NPHET nodding dogs.

Degag

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

As mad as it sounds a covid would be much less an issue of obesity wasn’t as prevalent

Really? By what percentage? Because i don’t think it’d have much of an affect at all.

Sure, Covid would be much less of an issue if we didn’t live into our 80’s too. I guess we should all die younger should we?

Degag

Degag wrote: »

Really? By what percentage? Because i don’t think it’d have much of an affect at all.

Sure, Covid would be much less of an issue if we didn’t live into our 80’s too. I guess we should all die younger should we?

What a terrible analogy.

Miccoli

Degag wrote: »

Really? By what percentage? Because i don’t think it’d have much of an affect at all.

Sure, Covid would be much less of an issue if we didn’t live into our 80’s too. I guess we should all die younger should we?

The CDC found close to 80% of hospitalisations were overweight or obese.

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

Amazing with all the finger-wagging going on for the last 13 months that obese people seemed to escape any kind of telling off from Tony and his NPHET nodding dogs.

Well it would be a bit rich if they did so considering that they have closed gyms, pools etc etc for months on end.

FintanMcluskey

Degag wrote: »

Really? By what percentage? Because i don’t think it’d have much of an affect at all.

Sure, Covid would be much less of an issue if we didn’t live into our 80’s too. I guess we should all die younger should we?

It wasn’t my intention to offend anyone

Buts it not a made up assumption

https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19_and_Obesity-The_2021_Atlas.pdf

As we show in this report, increased bodyweight is the second greatest predictor of hospitalisation and a high risk of death for people suffering from COVID-19. Only old age rates as a higher risk factor.
The unprecedented economic costs of COVID-19 are largely due to the measures taken to avoid the excess hospitalisation and need for treatment of the disease. Reducing one major risk factor, overweight, would have resulted in far less stress on health services and reduced the need to protect those services from being overwhelmed.
We show that in those countries where overweight affects only a minority of the adult population, the rates of death from COVID-19 are typically less than one tenth the levels found in countries where overweight affects the majority of adults.
We also show that the drivers of overweight – especially high levels of consumption of processed foods – are associated with mortality from COVID-19.

Unfortunately closing gyms and pools for about 6 of the last 7 months won’t help this issue in Ireland

It’s time to start understanding and following science

Degag

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What a terrible analogy.

Swooosh!

The Big Easy

average_runner wrote: »

Alot harder to lose a few pounds than take a simple injection that is free.

Yes, we should always choose the easier option, that will never end badly!

FintanMcluskey

average_runner wrote: »

Very true. Obesity would be less of an issue if Alcohol wasn't available and sugary snacks!!!

No obesity would be less of an issue if one didn’t eat a few thousand more calories per day than required to maintain weight.

Previously it didn’t bother me what others did with their bodies until my freedom was restricted to protect them

muddypuppy

bear1 wrote: »

Since when is going abroad illegal?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-international-travel-5416194-Apr2021/

This is starting to feel like a huge middle finger to all the expat, immigrants, etc living in Ireland. Most EU countries can already travel between each others, and it will be fun to see us not being able to go abroad while most other countries have vaccine passports and so on. Double slap in the face for those that haven't seen their families in months, if not over a year.

Degag

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No obesity would be less of an issue if one didn’t eat a few thousand more calories per day than required to maintain weight.

Previously it didn’t bother me what others did with their bodies until my freedom was restricted to protect them

Kinda like people not taking vaccines?

FintanMcluskey

Degag wrote: »

Kinda like people not taking vaccines?

Do vaccines protect one from poor lifestyle choices?

Degag

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It wasn’t my intention to offend anyone

Buts it not a made up assumption

https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19_and_Obesity-The_2021_Atlas.pdf


Unfortunately closing gyms and pools for about 6 of the last 7 months won’t help this issue in Ireland

It’s time to start understanding and following science

As far as i’m aware, someone who is medically ‘obese’ can actually be a relatively fit and healthy person. At least that used to be the case. Anyhow, i’m sure there is some linkage but there are probably linkages to loads of things that we may not understand for quite a while - or indeed never.

Obesity is not ever a choice either. Yes the majority of people can probably try and do something about it but often it can something like genetics etc.

Degag

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Do vaccines protect one from poor lifestyle choices?

I didn’t think the title of this forum we are posting in was called ‘Poor Lifestyle Choices?’

Pandiculation

muddypuppy wrote: »

This is starting to feel like a huge middle finger to all the expat, immigrants, etc living in Ireland. Most EU countries can already travel between each others, and it will be fun to see us not being able to go abroad while most other countries have vaccine passports and so on. Double slap in the face for those that haven't seen their families in months, if not over a year.

I haven't seen my Dublin relatives in months due to the county-to-county travel restrictions, never mind my continental ones.

I think though the Government would want to be a little bit more aware that Ireland's population isn't just made up of people who were born and have always lived in Ireland and even those of us who were have many connections abroad and into continental Europe. Not everyone's disappearing off to the Costa Del Sol for the beach and beer.

I fully comprehend that we need to prevent new variants coming in, but we also need to be a lot more pragmatic about how we deal with the travel issues.

We had months and months where we left the border wide open, while countries like Germany had extensive testing in place. We kinda did a half-assed mess of sticking up a few auld posters and most people were just wandering in and out, while there are significant domestic restrictions in place.

Now we seem to have gone from that to utterly draconian implementation of travel restrictions and we never seem to have managed to get to that pragmatic level of sensible and balanced controls, where everyone entering was tested or where there was some kind of serious control of verifiable quarantine-at-home put in place.

You'd have to wonder what we're up to sometimes.

Also, the UK's measures are likely driven by Brexiteer Tories, who also were absolutely laissez faire in the initial months of this crisis and now seem to have gone hardcore too. I'm sure that's also likely driven by their politics which is a tad xenophobic, to put it mildly.

I just don't know what we're implementing. It seems to be utterly disjointed most of the time.

I'm not just saying this for the sake of controversy or contrarianism, but this is 100% definitely feeding into how I will be voting in any upcoming elections. I'm shocked at how badly the whole thing has been handled, particularly since last Christmas and I've definitely lost confidence in the government parties. It just feels like we're floundering and going through phases of totally underestimating the risks and then overreacting to them when what should have been blatantly obvious happens.

ingo1984

muddypuppy wrote: »

This is starting to feel like a huge middle finger to all the expat, immigrants, etc living in Ireland. Most EU countries can already travel between each others, and it will be fun to see us not being able to go abroad while most other countries have vaccine passports and so on. Double slap in the face for those that haven't seen their families in months, if not over a year.

It may be a law, but no court would enforce it. Its like the 2,000 euro fine for going abroad on holidays, was scrapped after a week. I've had no problem travelling abroad to countries willing to accept travellers with a negative test and haven't seen a guard or had any hassle on my return.

facehugger99

Degag wrote: »

As far as i’m aware, someone who is medically ‘obese’ can actually be a relatively fit and healthy person. At least that used to be the case. Anyhow, i’m sure there is some linkage but there are probably linkages to loads of things that we may not understand for quite a while - or indeed never.

Obesity is not ever a choice either. Yes the majority of people can probably try and do something about it but often it can something like genetics etc.

Yeah, I'm sure the ICUs were full of lads that could have played outside center for Leinster.