Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 21-04-2021 12:42PM

newuser99999 wrote: »

Because it’s obviously breaking the guidelines? You’re not meant to travel outside of your county. Why do the GAA get to bend the rules?

The GAA aren't bending the rules.

normanoffside · 21-04-2021 12:55PM

NIAC don't seem to be in any hurry to get the vaccination programme rolling.

Sure we'll meet tomorrow to discuss yesterday's EMA ruling. It's clear the length of lockdown has no affect on them or their jobs.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1384832765489778691

PTH2009 · 21-04-2021 01:00PM

normanoffside wrote: »

NIAC don't seem to be in any hurry to get the vaccination programme rolling.

Sure we'll meet tomorrow to discuss yesterday's EMA ruling. It's clear the length of lockdown has no affect on them or their jobs.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1384832765489778691

This is the attitude that's holding us back

Meeting should be ASAP as the vaccine rollout is so important but nah typical ' ah sure look and we'll be grand"

Russman · 21-04-2021 01:12PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

This is the attitude that's holding us back

Meeting should be ASAP as the vaccine rollout is so important but nah typical ' ah sure look and we'll be grand"

Maybe the meeting is asap.......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/johnson-johnson-to-resume-deliveries-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-eu-1.4542574

Addressing an Oireachtas committee after the EMA announcement, Niac chairwoman Prof Karina Butler said it was awaiting further data from the European agency which may impact decisions on restricting access to specific age groups for some vaccines, and from the UK on dose intervals.

charlie14 · 21-04-2021 01:32PM

Russman wrote: »

Maybe the meeting is asap.......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/johnson-johnson-to-resume-deliveries-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-eu-1.4542574

Addressing an Oireachtas committee after the EMA announcement, Niac chairwoman Prof Karina Butler said it was awaiting further data from the European agency which may impact decisions on restricting access to specific age groups for some vaccines, and from the UK on dose intervals.

I would imagine those will not be the only points up for discussion. AstraZeneca`s vaccine is a two dose vaccine and they have shown themselves to be a shower of cowboys when it comes to promised quantities and delivery dates.

normanoffside · 21-04-2021 01:39PM

Russman wrote: »

Maybe the meeting is asap.......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/johnson-johnson-to-resume-deliveries-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-eu-1.4542574

Addressing an Oireachtas committee after the EMA announcement, Niac chairwoman Prof Karina Butler said it was awaiting further data from the European agency which may impact decisions on restricting access to specific age groups for some vaccines, and from the UK on dose intervals.

They already have some J&J in storage.
They should have met already and have some plans outlined pending the data.

The Big Easy · 21-04-2021 01:40PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Blame the government, not Holohan. Your ire is directed at the wrong person.

It's not ire and I take up any recourse available to me to make my feelings known to Government and those we elect.

I have no recourse to address Nphet yet they seem to have multiple available to address me, an imbalance surely?

hynesie08 · 21-04-2021 01:43PM

Russman wrote: »

Maybe the meeting is asap.......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/johnson-johnson-to-resume-deliveries-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-eu-1.4542574

Addressing an Oireachtas committee after the EMA announcement, Niac chairwoman Prof Karina Butler said it was awaiting further data from the European agency which may impact decisions on restricting access to specific age groups for some vaccines, and from the UK on dose intervals.

No! It's not possible that they are waiting for the published information before making an informed decision, they hate us, it's the only logical answer.

PTH2009 · 21-04-2021 01:50PM

Sure remember when the AZ was stopped a few weeks ago then quickly allowed to resume. Our lads starting pissing about and we had a longer delay

Sobit1964 · 21-04-2021 01:50PM

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605

Peer reviewed - study across the EU revealing that lockdowns did not influence mortality. Can we now start to assess the fecking costs associated with this gormless policy?

I explore the association between the severity of lockdown policies in the first half of 2020 and mortality rates. Using two indices from the Blavatnik Centre’s COVID-19 policy measures and comparing weekly mortality rates from 24 European countries in the first halves of 2017–2020, addressing policy endogeneity in two different ways, and taking timing into account, I find no clear association between lockdown policies and mortality development.

hynesie08 · 21-04-2021 01:53PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Sure remember when the AZ was stopped a few weeks ago then quickly allowed to resume. Our lads starting pissing about and we had a longer delay

Is pissing about the scientific term?

21-04-2021 01:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The fcuk is wrong with people indeed. The fcuk is wrong with half a million citizens denied a livelihood over past year by strict recommendations. The fcuk is wrong with the abandoned hospitality sector, trivialised and mocked by flippant statements like "Covid loves alcohol". The fcuk is wrong with those struggling with mental health issues. The fcuk is wrong with reopening the economy and plugging the spiralling national debt, before we plunge headlong into another deep recession.

A beyond wearied and exasperated public have had enough of the fcuking Tony show.

Yeah, a load of words there but nothing in relation to what I posted just a populist drivel. How is him recommending restrictions as per his job description "the Tony show"? How have people got this notion that he's a narcissist who's damaging the country just so he can see stories about himself and his dead wife in the paper every day? It is vile and nasty and you and others like you should be ashamed.

Parachutes wrote: »

Jesus Christ... how much RTE do you listen to? I think its melted your brain.

Very little, as it matters. Reeling in the years is about the height of it. You must be a fairly avid listener yourself, though, if you're able to recognise it as similar to what they're saying.

Hellrazer wrote: »

He deserves the criticism he gets.

"Wah wah wah....this man get's paid more than I do so I'm allowed to cast aspersions on his motives and assassinate his character"

RGS · 21-04-2021 01:54PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

No! It's not possible that they are waiting for the published information before making an informed decision, they hate us, it's the only logical answer.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40271477.html

Norway must have received a different memo than NIAC.

Norway to resume J&J on Wednesday, I presume that means today.

The problem Ireland has is how can NIAC make a different recommendation on J&J than they did on AZ, as both cause similar clots.
Will they revisit the AZ decision?

francogarbanzo · 21-04-2021 01:54PM

"Follow the science!"

Sobit1964 wrote: »

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605

Peer reviewed - study across the EU revealing that lockdowns did not influence mortality. Can we now start to assess the fecking costs associated with this gormless policy?

"NOOOO not like that!!"

Idbatterim · 21-04-2021 01:59PM

I know several people in the last few days, declining the vaccine. I wont be a hypocrite here and then take this bull****, potentially dangerous vaccine! Why are the young and youngish being vaccinated ? They face virtually no risk. Could spend the millions saving more lives with suicide prevention etc

bear1 · 21-04-2021 02:08PM

Since when is going abroad illegal?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-international-travel-5416194-Apr2021/

Stheno · 21-04-2021 02:10PM

bear1 wrote: »

Since when is going abroad illegal?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-international-travel-5416194-Apr2021/

Since January I think, when they brought in the 2k fine if you were found to be at the airport travelling for non essential purposes

Charles Babbage · 21-04-2021 02:14PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605

Peer reviewed - study across the EU revealing that lockdowns did not influence mortality. Can we now start to assess the fecking costs associated with this gormless policy?

This is not surprising. Countries tailored their lockdowns to the severity of the disease, if the disease didn't get going they didn't have a very severe lockdown. However, it isn't the case that the lack of disease was caused by the lack of lockdown, rather that the lack of lockdown was caused by the disease not being too bad.

The costs should not be compared with the deaths that occurred but with the deaths that did not occur, but then you already know that.

Sobit1964 · 21-04-2021 02:14PM

bear1 wrote: »

Since when is going abroad illegal?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-international-travel-5416194-Apr2021/

Its not illegal, you just have to provide a reason other than going on holiday. Most of the ones for travelling more than 5km worked just fine.

This is another case of government gobsheets pushing bad information in the hopes of scaring people into following a non-law. For the most part its worked just fine.

Boggles · 21-04-2021 02:18PM

RGS wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40271477.html

Norway must have received a different memo than NIAC.

Norway to resume J&J on Wednesday, I presume that means today.

The problem Ireland has is how can NIAC make a different recommendation on J&J than they did on AZ, as both cause similar clots.
Will they revisit the AZ decision?

The more pertinent question based on your premise is how can Norway justify still pausing the AZ whilst rolling out the J&J?

Sobit1964 · 21-04-2021 02:19PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

This is not surprising. Countries tailored their lockdowns to the severity of the disease, if the disease didn't get going they didn't have a very severe lockdown. However, it isn't the case that the lack of disease was caused by the lack of lockdown, rather that the lack of lockdown was caused by the disease not being too bad.

The costs should not be compared with the deaths that occurred but with the deaths that did not occur, but then you already know that.

Sweden is curious why you didn't actually read the study.

Charles Babbage · 21-04-2021 02:20PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I know several people in the last few days, declining the vaccine. I wont be a hypocrite here and then take this bull****, potentially dangerous vaccine! Why are the young and youngish being vaccinated ? They face virtually no risk. Could spend the millions saving more lives with suicide prevention etc

The young are being vaccinated so that they do not spread a potentially fatal disease to other people. It is perfectly reasonable to expect people to not threaten other people with death unnecessarily.

Suicide has not increased during the pandemic

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/suicides-have-not-increased-during-pandemic-figures-indicate-1.4492985

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56818876

Sobit1964 · 21-04-2021 02:22PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The young are being vaccinated so that they do not spread a potentially fatal disease to other people. It is perfectly reasonable to expect people to not threaten other people with death unnecessarily.

Suicide has not increased during the pandemic

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/suicides-have-not-increased-during-pandemic-figures-indicate-1.4492985

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56818876

Jeez you are melodramatic. Threatening people with death.

Might you have the stats on other forms of mental health problems?

Boggles · 21-04-2021 02:23PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I know several people in the last few days, declining the vaccine. I wont be a hypocrite here and then take this bull****, potentially dangerous vaccine!

You have said it several times now, they are not mandatory, you don't have to take it.

Graham · 21-04-2021 02:25PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Might you have the stats on other forms of mental health problems?

**scrambles for new problems to find now the previous claim has been debunked**

Sobit1964 · 21-04-2021 02:26PM

Graham wrote: »

**scrambles for new problems to find now the previous claim has been debunked**

*As of the current statistics available. Did I do that right?

The question however remains, do you?

niallo27 · 21-04-2021 02:30PM

Graham wrote: »

**scrambles for new problems to find now the previous claim has been debunked**

I had to laugh at this one, you of all people accusing people looking for new problems, did make laugh in fairness.

Degag · 21-04-2021 02:30PM

Two main reasons for younger people getting vaccinated:

Stops (or at least reduces) the virus being passed on

This virus is not just survive or die. There are many symtoms in between. Such as losing sense of smell or taste. Lethargy for an extended period of time.

I don’t want any side affect or symptom. Either from the virus OR the vaccine. But its fairly clear that the vaccine is the way to go to get us all out of this.

Gael23 · 21-04-2021 02:35PM

I think the North’s timetable for reopening will outweigh any influence Holohans might have. The government will not be forgiven for allowing trade to go across the border while thousands languish on PUP

Hellrazer · 21-04-2021 02:46PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think the North’s timetable for reopening will outweigh any influence Holohans might have. The government will not be forgiven for allowing trade to go across the border while thousands languish on PUP

While that all sounds well and good this lot have proven that they dont always do the right thing once they have dug their heels in and made a decision - MHQ has shown us that they are afraid to back down from bad decisions.

Id hazard a guess that they couldnt give a sh1t who travels over the border to buy goods or services and that could be their undoing or even bring down the coalition.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings