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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #7202
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Any hospital numbers released?


  • #7203
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Any hospital numbers released?

    you don't have to wait on the news, just use the COVID dashboard that the news use anyway...

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/


  • #7204
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DaSilva wrote: »
    This is borderline xenophobia, EU has similar infection rates to Brazil.
    In your head it is. You really might want to read the post carefully and reflect on where this absurd idea grew in your head. It is not untrue that a lack of control is at the root of it and that it happens to be in Brazil. There's also some of that in India, unfortunately.


  • #7205
    greyday
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭greyday


    DaSilva wrote: »
    True, it does increase the risk of new variants, although USA was doing similar numbers a few months ago.



    Pure speculation, not a guarantee.



    There is some chance, there are not an infinite number of viable mutations in the spike protein. There is no guarantee or evidence that there exists some other form of the spike protein that presents itself as being completely different to the immune system that is still functional. It might exist, but so far, despite millions of infections it has so far not been observed. Lets get some rational thinking going here, its theoretically possible, nothing more.

    Who spoke of guarantees?
    The post was about the chances of a new variant emerging which was resistant to current vaccines due to the number of infections India is currently seeing, no where in the post did it say this was definitely going to happen, the post stated the chances of it happening were increased due to the level of infections, you do know that everything is speculation until it happens? Yes?


  • #7206
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    DaSilva wrote: »
    This is borderline xenophobia, EU has similar infection rates to Brazil.

    couple of variables left out though with that statement

    EU has a far more rigorous testing regime than Brazil... so if you're looking for it you'll find it....

    Brazil's numbers are mostly from people who are being tested after presenting as unwell (edit: or close contact of someone who is/was), or trying to access a quarantined area...

    similar numbers, yes.... similar circumstances, definitely not...


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  • #7207
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    bennyineire wrote: »
    5,800 out of 200,000,000 vaccines administrated which equates to 0.0029%

    The vaccines are the silver bullet going by those numbers to me, I'm not sure you are considering the vast population of the U.S. and the vast nimbler of vaccines administered there, 0.0029% is a miniscule number

    I absolutely do accept that it's a small %
    The 5800 is of 78million fully vaccinated people which works out at 0.0074%
    My point is that the virus will not be fully eradicated and I fear some people think it will be.
    It'll likely be around in some form, like the flu.

    Absolutely, vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable, it will help their chances significantly. But improving treatment is neccessary rather than telling people to stay at home until they need to be hospitalised.
    And fortunately for most, it still seems to be relatively harmless.


  • #7208
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭celt262


    arccosh wrote: »
    you don't have to wait on the news, just use the COVID dashboard that the news use anyway...

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

    Silly questions to be asking but is the hospital numbers the total in hospital as in do they include the ICU numbers?


  • #7209
    DaSilva
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭DaSilva


    is_that_so wrote: »
    In your head it is. You really might want to read the post carefully and reflect on where this absurd idea grew in your head. It is not untrue that a lack of control that is at the root of it and that happens to be in Brazil. There's also some of that in India unfortunately.

    By your logic and the stats then the EU and USA are even bigger primordial soups than both India and Brazil


  • #7210
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    My point is that the virus will not be fully eradicated and I fear some people think it will be.
    It'll likely be around in some form, like the flu.


    Agreed there alright!


  • #7211
    greyday
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭greyday


    DaSilva wrote: »
    By your logic and the stats then the EU and USA are even bigger primordial soups than both India and Brazil

    No, they are not!
    The EU and USA do a hell of a lot more testing than Brazil or India, the case numbers in Brazil and India are the tip of the iceberg, pure speculation in your language but fact in most other languages.


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  • #7212
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    I absolutely do accept that it's a small %
    The 5800 is of 78million fully vaccinated people which works out at 0.0074%
    My point is that the virus will not be fully eradicated and I fear some people think it will be.
    It'll likely be around in some form, like the flu.

    Absolutely, vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable, it will help their chances significantly. But improving treatment is neccessary rather than telling people to stay at home until they need to be hospitalised.
    And fortunately for most, it still seems to be relatively harmless.

    What do you mean by vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable? Are you saying we shouldn't vaccinate others?


  • #7213
    thebiglad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭thebiglad


    celt262 wrote: »
    Silly questions to be asking but is the hospital numbers the total in hospital as in do they include the ICU numbers?

    Yes, total count of patients in hospital includes those is ICU, not in addition to.


  • #7214
    greyday
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭greyday


    snotboogie wrote: »
    What do you mean by vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable? Are you saying we shouldn't vaccinate others?

    The point is possibly that once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated that we should look at a faster re-opening of the economy while continuing to vaccinate the rest of the population as quickly as possible, there are pro and cons to this strategy with both sides having relevant points.


  • #7215
    DaSilva
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭DaSilva


    greyday wrote: »
    No, they are not!
    The EU and USA do a hell of a lot more testing than Brazil or India, the case numbers in Brazil and India are the tip of the iceberg, pure speculation in your language but fact in most other languages.

    You have 0 evidence that there are fewer cases in the EU than Brazil. I don't dispute that testing coverage is greater in the EU than in Brazil, but cases and death counts are a similar ratio in Brazil to the EU. Even if we consider that Brazil is younger and testing less, its still a large gap to cross to completely double the numbers. It's still likely the EU has had more cases.


  • #7216
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DaSilva wrote: »
    By your logic and the stats then the EU and USA are even bigger primordial soups than both India and Brazil
    It's never a good idea to try to make stats tell a story you want to see. This is your logic not mine, but in both countries it is currently out of control. That is not the case in the EU or US, even if stats have numbers high. As has been pointed out to you it's being picked up through far better testing programmes.


  • #7217
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


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    celt262 wrote: »
    Silly questions to be asking but is the hospital numbers the total in hospital as in do they include the ICU numbers?

    It's the overall number including ICU as far as I'm aware, not the ICU number added to it after.


  • #7218
    greyday
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭greyday


    Oh, now you involve yourself in speculation :)


  • #7219
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    snotboogie wrote: »
    What do you mean by vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable? Are you saying we shouldn't vaccinate others?

    I'm still on the fence so I can't say either way.

    Personally, I'm young and healthy so I'm way down the priority list.
    When the time comes I'll review the data and decide what to do.

    I think it's for people to decide what level of risk is acceptable to them.
    I'd accept the risk of catching covid at present, but I'm not mixing with anyone.
    I have older family members who've had it and I'm glad they did.


  • #7220
    DaSilva
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭DaSilva


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's never a good idea to try to make stats tell a story you want to see. This is your logic not mine, but in both countries it is currently out of control. That is not the case in the EU or US, even if stats have numbers high. As has been pointed out to you it's being picked up through far better testing programmes.

    If you want to convince yourself that the EU and USA's case numbers suggest we have had the virus under control, then you are welcome to deceive yourself, I won't try to convince you otherwise


  • #7221
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    I'm in that camp too. Get the vulnerable protected and re-open society as fast as possible. Thankfully the government is going down that route too.


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  • #7222
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DaSilva wrote: »
    You have 0 evidence that there are fewer cases in the EU than Brazil. I don't dispute that testing coverage is greater in the EU than in Brazil, but cases and death counts are a similar ratio in Brazil to the EU. Even if we consider that Brazil is younger and testing less, its still a large gap to cross to completely double the numbers. It's still likely the EU has had more cases.
    Are you defending how Brazil have gone about this? Lest you imagine another slight against your country there is a long list of countries who have not handled this well at times, including ourselves.


  • #7223
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    Tested positive with no symptoms whatsoever a few months ago. I won't be taking the vacine.

    My body my choice.


  • #7224
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    From testing positive with no symptoms whatsoever I won't be taking the vacinne.

    My body my choice.


    Up to you :)


  • #7225
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Brazil doing badly. Looks out of control there.


    https://www.cbsnews.com/video/brazils-covid-crisis-reaches-catastrophe-as-daily-death-toll-is-highest-in-world/


  • #7226
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DaSilva wrote: »
    If you want to convince yourself that the EU and USA's case numbers suggest we have had the virus under control, then you are welcome to deceive yourself, I won't try to convince you otherwise
    No, I just made a comment about the situation in Brazil and off you went down a rabbit hole with stats, the EU and whatnot.


  • #7227
    DaSilva
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭DaSilva


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Are you defending how Brazil have gone about this? Lest you imagine another slight against your country there is a long list of countries who have not handled this well at times, including ourselves.

    I haven't said a single thing about Brazil's covid strategy.
    And let me be really clear, my username is just an internet username
    I literally have 0 connection to Brazil in real life, never been there, no family from there. I am an Irish speaking native who plays traditional Irish music, its just a profile name :pac:

    The real difference is not that I am sensitive to slights against my country, it's that I'm not prone to misinterpreting facts to find a scapegoat like you are.


  • #7228
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    DaSilva wrote: »
    And let me be really clear, my username is just an internet username


    I'm a really funny dog in real life though!


  • #7229
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    DaSilva wrote: »
    It's still likely the EU has had more cases.

    being over double the population of Brazil, that an obvious statement to make


  • #7230
    DaSilva
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭DaSilva


    arccosh wrote: »
    being over double the population of Brazil, that an obvious statement to make

    Considering that the discussion was over Brazil being characterized as a breeding ground for variants while the EU is not, it seems its that the EU having a higher number of infections and it's implications is not obvious to some people.


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  • #7231
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DaSilva wrote: »
    I haven't said a single thing about Brazil's covid strategy.
    And let me be really clear, my username is just an internet username
    I literally have 0 connection to Brazil in real life, never been there, no family from there. I am an Irish speaking native who plays traditional Irish music, its just a profile name :pac:

    The real difference is not that I am sensitive to slights against my country, it's that I'm not prone to misinterpreting facts to find a scapegoat like you are.
    Prone to not reading posts properly is a more accurate description. As with most of your comments on this it is your own (wilful?) misinterpretation of my posts about the Brazilian situation that has you off on this very strange path. Anyway I wish you a good day.


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