Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Akesh · 13-04-2021 10:37AM

Graham wrote: »

You don't have to take the vaccine.

If that means I'm not going to discover you sat at the table next to me while I go out for dinner with my family, you'll have to excuse me for not being too disappointed.

The same curtain twitchers who are destroying the hospitality sector are the same people concerned about eating out with the uncleansed and unvaccinated.

You couldn't make it up.

Snooker Loopy · 13-04-2021 10:38AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Some people are now 'pro-virus' nazis?

God that gave me a good laugh.

You're the person that brought in the Nazi comparison.

Well done.

If people are pro-virus, and from what is said on this forum it would quite a few people are, they should at least own it!

francogarbanzo · 13-04-2021 10:41AM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

You're the person that brought in the Nazi comparison.

Well done.

If people are pro-virus, and from what is said on this forum it would quite a few people are, they should at least own it!

If I'm pro-virus, then you're anti-human-rights.

Sobit1964 · 13-04-2021 10:42AM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

You're the person that brought in the Nazi comparison.

Well done.

If people are pro-virus, and from what is said on this forum it would quite a few people are, they should at least own it!

You are comic gold. I wish I had some more time to deepy belly laugh at the guff you are posting - but I have to take my daughter for a regular old fashioned vaccination in the next hour.

normanoffside · 13-04-2021 10:42AM

Graham wrote: »

Until we reach herd immunity, the country will continue to be at risk, businesses will continue to be at risk, education will continue to be as risk, socialising/entertainment will continue to be at risk, international travel will continue to be at risk......

Education will be at risk LOL.

How many teachers or students have died as a result of Covid spread in schools?
I’ll give you a clue, it’s less than 1.

Pussyhands · 13-04-2021 10:43AM

Simon Harris on radio saying he wants vaccinated people to not have to go into MHQ.

So what exactly is the aim of MHQ? I thought it was because of the threat of variants that could be resistant to the vaccine.

I just don't see how someone who is vaccinated has any less risk of carrying a variant that is resistant to the vaccine.

Whatsisname · 13-04-2021 10:44AM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

The worry about the UK variant has never been about its lethality - it has always been largely assumed that it wasn't much more lethal if at all. The worry is and has always been about its transmissiblity.

A 60% more transmissible virus with the same lethality as original Covid is much worse for the public health situation than a 60% more lethal virus with the same transmissibility.

Ah, another straight up lie to add to the list with other gems i've seen in this thread, like "we were never told to stay at home" and "lockdowns were never about protecting the vulnerable".

Snooker Loopy · 13-04-2021 10:45AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Do you have a peer-reviewed source for that claim? Conspiracy Forum is thataway >>>

Totally agree with you. Restrictions of movement, shutting down business, closing schools, mandatory hotel quarantine, police checkpoints on the roads, no more gyms or outdoor activities outside your 5k, no visiting family, vaccine passports -- these are nothing but good old fashioned sensible public health policy!

As long as Covid is a scourge, yes they are indeed sensible measures, because they are designed to cut down on virus spread, and actually do so - as is demonstrated by the consistent lowering of case figures, week on week.

The other day I was listening to an interview with Niall Conroy, a public health specialist from Ireland who is based in Australia.

He was categorical that mandatory hotel quarantine is a pre-requisite for opening your internal society in the situation we are in. It doesn't guarantee you will be able to do so, but it is a pre-requisite.

I think we should listen to people like Niall, because they know what they're talking about.

If you want to read the Conspiracy Theories forum, fire away.

Penfailed · 13-04-2021 10:47AM

rob808 wrote: »

We never be out of this lockdown,the EU and the Government handle this crisis so badly.This level 5 lockdown will last into December and probably longer .while UK and northern Ireland are laughing at us with there freedom.

We will be out of this lockdown. It won't last until December. The UK aren't laughing at us.

dalyboy · 13-04-2021 10:47AM

Akesh wrote: »

The same curtain twitchers who are destroying the hospitality sector are the same people concerned about eating out with the uncleansed and unvaccinated.

You couldn't make it up.

The curtain twitchers won’t save hospitality when they’re allowed back to the restaurants and pubs though.
Even precovid days they’d be the ones usually sitting with pints of tap water on their tables. (Or dash of miwadi on special occasions)

Snooker Loopy · 13-04-2021 10:48AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

If I'm pro-virus, then you're anti-human-rights.

I'm also paid by George Soros.

Klonker · 13-04-2021 10:50AM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

The worry about the UK variant has never been about its lethality - it has always been largely assumed that it wasn't much more lethal if at all. The worry is and has always been about its transmissiblity.

A 60% more transmissible virus with the same lethality as original Covid is much worse for the public health situation than a 60% more lethal virus with the same transmissibility.

Our Taoiseach has told us on more than one occasion this is a more deadly virus as well as more transmissible so I don't agree that the worry was never about how lethal it was. We've also been told the hospitals were seeing a lot younger people admitted due to this new strain so again I dont agree it was never about how lethal it was.

We were told back last March that a load of young healthy people were dieing of covid in Lombardy. Again with this new strain we were told more young people were dieing of covid and again its not true. Now with the Brazilian variant we are being told a lot of younger healthier people are ending up in ICU and/or dieing and it's being thrown around like a fact. What's the chances that this strain is also not more deadly? I'd guess very very likely. But we can't miss a chance to scare people into compliance, we'll worry about the facts another time.

Snooker Loopy · 13-04-2021 10:50AM

normanoffside wrote: »

Education will be at risk LOL.

How many teachers or students have died as a result of Covid spread in schools?
I’ll give you a clue, it’s less than 1.

How many people have died because schools acted as a vector for virus spread in the community at large?

francogarbanzo · 13-04-2021 10:53AM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

How many people have died because schools acted as a vector for virus spread in the community at large?

Great question. How many?

thebaz · 13-04-2021 10:53AM

Great piece in the Irish Times on what a mess was made yesterday, no doubt fuelling more doubt on people taking up and overall confidence with vaccines, and wondering when will we ever get out of lockdown.
Here is a quote from Prof Fanning (Immunology) :-

Prof Fanning said there was a one in 200 chance of dying from Covid-19, and a one in a million chance of dying from a blood clot from the AstraZeneca shot.

I have been critical of NPHET , but the decision from NIAC is cautionary to the extereme, the Irish people have been in lockdown for nearly 7 months solid, and these decisions are affecting the vulnerable.
Again where is the overall leadership , where is Michael Martin and why is Dr. Glynn not co-ordinating effectivly between these medical groups who are effectivly governing Ireland right now?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/limits-on-astrazeneca-vaccine-will-cause-hesitancy-and-concern-favier-warns-1.4536019

normanoffside · 13-04-2021 10:54AM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

How many people have died because schools acted as a vector for virus spread in the community at large?

I don’t know. Do you?

13-04-2021 10:56AM

dalyboy wrote: »

The curtain twitchers won’t save hospitality when they’re allowed back to the restaurants and pubs though.
Even precovid days they’d be the ones usually sitting with pints of tap water on their tables. (Or dash of miwadi on special occasions)

They them they them they

A world easy answers to complex issues and a they/them to blame is a wonderful place

muddypuppy · 13-04-2021 10:56AM

Pussyhands wrote: »

Simon Harris on radio saying he wants vaccinated people to not have to go into MHQ.

So what exactly is the aim of MHQ? I thought it was because of the threat of variants that could be resistant to the vaccine.

I just don't see how someone who is vaccinated has any less risk of carrying a variant that is resistant to the vaccine.

1. make it seems like the government is doing some stuff to the angry mob that get mad when people DARE to see their families after months
2. (maybe) act as a deterrent to reduce people coming into the country

13-04-2021 10:57AM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

How many people have died because schools acted as a vector for virus spread in the community at large?

None

francogarbanzo · 13-04-2021 10:57AM

normanoffside wrote: »

I don’t know. Do you?

We don't know, therefore the only sensible thing to do is enact the harshest possible level of restrictions for as long as we possibly can, regardless of the collateral impacts.

Someone in Australia probably said it's good.

Snooker Loopy · 13-04-2021 11:00AM

Klonker wrote: »

Our Taoiseach has told us on more than one occasion this is a more deadly virus as well as more transmissible so I don't agree that the worry was never about how lethal it was. We've also been told the hospitals were seeing a lot younger people admitted due to this new strain so again I dont agree it was never about how lethal it was.

We were told back last March that a load of young healthy people were dieing of covid in Lombardy. Again with this new strain we were told more young people were dieing of covid and again its not true. Now with the Brazilian variant we are being told a lot of younger healthier people are ending up in ICU and/or dieing and it's being thrown around like a fact. What's the chances that this strain is also not more deadly? I'd guess very very likely. But we can't miss a chance to scare people into compliance, we'll worry about the facts another time.

Listing a load of "we were tolds" isn't an argument.

It seems you have a problem with anybody reasonably speculating or even coming up with evidence that any variant could be more dangerous for the public health situation.

It has been widely reported that the situation in Brazil as regards young people suffering from Covid is very serious.

But perhaps you know more than the people on the ground there, who presumably all have cynical motives for saying such.

I guess everybody who doesn't agree with the "let's underestimate this" narrative has a cynical motive, or something like that.

Very important to try and undermine the credibility of experts who deal in realism, not pollyannaism.

RGS · 13-04-2021 11:01AM

The crazy decisions from NIAC just feeds into the anti vac arguments.

Karen Butler from NIAC on NT this morning using the favourite phrase of NPHET "we are taking an ultra cautious approach" and at the same time trying to argue that the vaccine is safe.

She then indicated if there was no other vaccine the decision would be different.

Then Leo stating he agreed with the decision but would recommend taking the vaccine and he would take it.

It a total joke.

Snooker Loopy · 13-04-2021 11:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

None

Wow. Apparently schools are just as safe as in 2019 now. Sure why don't we just do away with public health experts altogether, and put people from the internet in charge.

dalyboy · 13-04-2021 11:03AM

W123-80's wrote: »

The biggest health & safety concern in that social setting is the guy wearing the white blazer with nothing underneath :pac:

I think it’s Borats son out for a night

Snooker Loopy · 13-04-2021 11:11AM

RGS wrote: »

The crazy decisions from NIAC just feeds into the anti vac arguments.

Karen Butler from NIAC on NT this morning using the favourite phrase of NPHET "we are taking an ultra cautious approach" and at the same time trying to argue that the vaccine is safe.

She then indicated if there was no other vaccine the decision would be different.

Then Leo stating he agreed with the decision but would recommend taking the vaccine and he would take it.

It a total joke.

Whichever decision they took, they'd be pilloried.

Personally I thought Karina Butler gave a very nuanced take on Morning Ireland as regards the decision. It's clear this was a decision that was agonised over.

I don't know whether it's the right decision or not, and I understand why a lot of people would think it's the wrong decision, but also I understand why it was taken. It's all very well to say one or two people in a million may die from clots after taking the Astra Zeneca vaccine, but say if 50 million people take it, that might be 50 or 100 dead people, and that might seriously undermine the confidence of people in vaccinations in general, not just the Astra Zeneca one, all vaccines for all diseases.

This is a fiendishly difficult problem and I don't know whether there is a right or a wrong answer.

Downlinz · 13-04-2021 11:16AM

RGS wrote: »

The crazy decisions from NIAC just feeds into the anti vac arguments.

Karen Butler from NIAC on NT this morning using the favourite phrase of NPHET "we are taking an ultra cautious approach" and at the same time trying to argue that the vaccine is safe.

She then indicated if there was no other vaccine the decision would be different.

Then Leo stating he agreed with the decision but would recommend taking the vaccine and he would take it.

It a total joke.

There's nothing crazy about it. The risk proposition of AZ for young people at low threat from covid simply doesn't make sense when a better vaccine is available.

They're being honest, transparent and showing a willingness to change plans in order to offer the public the best option for their risk category. That's really reassuring for me.

Who really cares what anti-vaxxers think? They're not going to take the jab regardless and they'll use whatever happens to fit their narrative regardless. In this case they'll use it as "evidence" that the vaccines are unsafe, if we pushed ahead with AZ they'd claim it as proof that government don't care about our safety.

arccosh · 13-04-2021 11:19AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

I doubt we will see the continent achieve more than 60% vaccination rates - people are very reluctant. Will you be limiting your travels to the UK and Ireland?

60% plus the assumed minimum of 10 to 20% natural immunity should be enough...

Then everyone who denied it can all go for tea, medals and pats on the back for a job well done..

Graham · 13-04-2021 11:24AM

dalyboy wrote: »

The curtain twitchers won’t save hospitality when they’re allowed back to the restaurants and pubs though.
Even precovid days they’d be the ones usually sitting with pints of tap water on their tables. (Or dash of miwadi on special occasions)

Vaccinated people only drink miwadi.

You couldn't make this stuff up. It's epic.

LameBeaver · 13-04-2021 11:32AM

dalyboy wrote: »

The curtain twitchers won’t save hospitality when they’re allowed back to the restaurants and pubs though.
Even precovid days they’d be the ones usually sitting with pints of tap water on their tables. (Or dash of miwadi on special occasions)

Better to be a curtain twitcher than a fcuking braindead moron. Right chief?

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Stormyteacup · 13-04-2021 11:36AM

Recent study suggests this virus may be running out of possible mutations.

From Vaughn Cooper evolutional biologist at Pittsburgh University, and cited by The Times in UK.

Also of interest is the convergence of mutations - it’s likely that the same mutations will arise in separate geographic locations independently while the virus is circulating.

Maybe we need not be fearing ‘variants’ from certain locations coming in on the plane much longer, and move swiftly on to the next scapegoat to distract from all the bumbling.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-coronavirus-variants-dont-seem-to-be-highly-variable-so-far/

Have a feeling this bit of science will be left of the shelf for a while as more time is needed for observation - unlike the science of UK variant being 70% more lethal than its predecessor, that science needed to be rolled out ASAP.

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