Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

Whelo79 · 06-04-2021 03:16PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I also agree with that you said above. I too think Conor has shown a lack of heart before.

It was evident in the Diaz fight, the the second Poirier fight and in a smaller way in the Khabib fight.

He gives up mentally and i'm not sure that's something you can train out of him at this point.

I think there is enough proof out there now to claim this as fact. He doesn't seem to have the mental fortitude to recover from a really hard knock/s. He gets hurt and panics, his energy completely depletes and his timing/footwork goes. I can't think of a time where he has been in serious trouble and has been able to fight his way out of it.

Diaz two maybe, but I dont think he was actually taking much punishment or clean shots up against the cage that time.

spix · 06-04-2021 03:22PM

Whelo79 wrote: »

I think there is enough proof out there now to claim this as fact. He doesn't seem to have the mental fortitude to recover from a really hard knock/s. He gets hurt and panics, his energy completely depletes and his timing/footwork goes. I can't think of a time where he has been in serious trouble and has been able to fight his way out of it.

Diaz two maybe, but I dont think he was actually taking much punishment or clean shots up against the cage that time.

He all but gave up in Diaz 2 rd3 , does his usual sitting against fence to turn into a punch bag. He's lucky the ref didn't stop it as he threw 0 punches back for a very long time there. When hes in trouble he doesn't try to move or fight back he just sits there and takes it. Can't do that against someone like Poirier who is more dangerous with his hands than Diaz.

yourdeadwright · 06-04-2021 03:59PM

spix wrote: »

He all but gave up in Diaz 2 rd3 , does his usual sitting against fence to turn into a punch bag. He's lucky the ref didn't stop it as he threw 0 punches back for a very long time there. When hes in trouble he doesn't try to move or fight back he just sits there and takes it. Can't do that against someone like Poirier who is more dangerous with his hands than Diaz.

His usual ? In what fight before Diaz 2 did he sit on the fence and not fight back to make it "his usual " ?

spix · 06-04-2021 04:21PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

His usual ? In what fight before Diaz 2 did he sit on the fence and not fight back to make it "his usual " ?

Its clearly how he reacts when in a bit of trouble. End of Mayweather, Poirier 2, Diaz rd3 were mirror images. Just became a punch bag, no attempt to fight back despite being on his feet. Compare to Holloway vs Poirier, or Holloway vs Kattar for example. Poirier landed a large amount of power punches several times on Holloway, he would always get a bit of distance to recover, or try to grab Poiriers arms... he wanted to keep fighting despite being hurt. Kattar, Holloway landed loads of volume against him, clearly in trouble, swung back every single time to stay in the fight. Conor just freezes, becomes a punchbag. Same reason Khabib choked him out, Conor gave up (his back) as he didn't want to stay in the fight.

walshb · 06-04-2021 04:55PM

spix wrote: »

Its clearly how he reacts when in a bit of trouble. End of Mayweather, Poirier 2, Diaz rd3 were mirror images. Just became a punch bag, no attempt to fight back despite being on his feet. Compare to Holloway vs Poirier, or Holloway vs Kattar for example. Poirier landed a large amount of power punches several times on Holloway, he would always get a bit of distance to recover, or try to grab Poiriers arms... he wanted to keep fighting despite being hurt. Kattar, Holloway landed loads of volume against him, clearly in trouble, swung back every single time to stay in the fight. Conor just freezes, becomes a punchbag. Same reason Khabib choked him out, Conor gave up (his back) as he didn't want to stay in the fight.

Agreed.....

When on top and bossing it, all is fine n dandy....true measure is when up against it and under real pressure

Conor has never really shown me that real fighting and gutsy fall on your sword attitude.....

His loss a few months ago was a complete fold job....was he really that hurt...?

Diaz 2 he showed more cleverness and strategy.....when the going was getting hard, he chose breathers and moving away; which he is entitled to do, but this was due to him knowing that he did not have the engine/heart and machismo for a tear up against a man that was as strong as him...

If he cannot get Poirier out, I cannot see him faring well in a any type intense fight or blow for blow scenario....I think he folds again..

rob316 · 06-04-2021 05:02PM

^
Same reason I don't think he beats DP again as these guys absolutely love the violence. DP vs Gaethje, Hooker, they are just brutal.

His left hand shot power doesn't transfer against the bigger guys either, Khabib walked right through him, DP took it on the chin, he couldn't put Diaz away in either fight.

yourdeadwright · 06-04-2021 05:03PM

spix wrote: »

Its clearly how he reacts when in a bit of trouble. End of Mayweather, Poirier 2, Diaz rd3 were mirror images. Just became a punch bag, no attempt to fight back despite being on his feet. Compare to Holloway vs Poirier, or Holloway vs Kattar for example. Poirier landed a large amount of power punches several times on Holloway, he would always get a bit of distance to recover, or try to grab Poiriers arms... he wanted to keep fighting despite being hurt. Kattar, Holloway landed loads of volume against him, clearly in trouble, swung back every single time to stay in the fight. Conor just freezes, becomes a punchbag. Same reason Khabib choked him out, Conor gave up (his back) as he didn't want to stay in the fight.

I'm not a Conor fan but your being very unfair ,

So Diaz 2 was the first time you seen it ? not usual then

Diaz 2 round 3 you seem to have made it a lot worse in your head it was a bout 50 seconds left when he first found himself with the back to the cage and he was still grabbing under hooks and ducking and slipping, He didn't just stand there he kept moving ,

Again I think he was clever he knew exactly what he was doing
Why waste energy for the last 50 seconds of a round if you don't need to ?

Dustin he got hit with a really good right hand just before he turned his back to the cage ,

Khabib mauls everyone , he lasted longer than Dustin or Justin for example, He actually even won a round

Mayweather was the guys first ever pro boxing match against the greatest of all time so i'll give him a pass ,

rob316 · 06-04-2021 05:15PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'm not a Conor fan but your being very unfair ,

So Diaz 2 was the first time you seen it ? not usual then

Diaz 2 round 3 you seem to have made it a lot worse in your head it was a bout 50 seconds left when he first found himself with the back to the cage and he was still grabbing under hooks and ducking and slipping, He didn't just stand there he kept moving ,

Again I think he was clever he knew exactly what he was doing
Why waste energy for the last 50 seconds of a round if you don't need to ?

Dustin he got hit with a really good right hand just before he turned his back to the cage ,

Khabib mauls everyone , he lasted longer than Dustin or Justin for example, He actually even won a round

Mayweather was the guys first ever pro boxing match against the greatest of all time so i'll give him a pass ,

Diaz doesn't really have any power, he'll cut you up but its rare he gets a finish. Fight against masvidal really showed him up.

yourdeadwright · 06-04-2021 05:17PM

rob316 wrote: »

Diaz doesn't really have any power, he'll cut you up but its rare he gets a finish. Fight against masvidal really showed him up.

I think Diaz is a but unlucky like Conor in regards there natural weight ,
He is to weak for welter weight and to drawn out at lightweight,

sonofenoch · 06-04-2021 05:26PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I also agree with that you said above. I too think Conor has shown a lack of heart before.

It was evident in the Diaz fight, the the second Poirier fight and in a smaller way in the Khabib fight.

He gives up mentally and i'm not sure that's something you can train out of him at this point.

Tbf after that 3rd round in the second Diaz fight if there was ever a time you thought he was done that was it ....Big John nearly had to carry him back to his corner..........then went on to win a big round, tho they were both walking dead at that stage

MrStuffins · 06-04-2021 06:17PM

sonofenoch wrote: »

Tbf after that 3rd round in the second Diaz fight if there was ever a time you thought he was done that was it ....Big John nearly had to carry him back to his corner..........then went on to win a big round, tho they were both walking dead at that stage

Yeah maybe but does he deserve credit for the bare minimum of carrying on into the 4th round of a 5 round fight? For him to not give up is just standard behaviour. You're not supposed to give up.

However, if you watch the first Diaz fight you can see it. You can see when he starts to doubt himself.

I saw the same in the Poirier fight.

I don't agree with those saying Conor didn't hurt Dustin, I think Dustin was hurt by Conor on a couple of occasions. But Dustin didn't go away. It sprang a doubt in Conor, who already has his own internal doubts about his stamina and cardio hanging around his neck constantly. There were plenty of deep breaths from Conor in that first round.

He won the first round, but the shots that has put mortals away before (including Dustin) didn't put him away this time.

The second round started by Dustin compounding the good work he'd put in with the legs kicks and Conor couldn't hide it anymore. He started to reach for them, at one point catching two of them with his hand. Alarm bells and a huge indication to Dustin that they are doing the trick. You can see Conor's movement compromised at this point, approx 2 mins into the second round.

Conor can no longer move and starts to wing big punches. He knows he doesn't have much left. He actually hits Dustin with a big left but Dustin doesn't budge and that's that. You can see it in Conor's face that he knows he's in trouble. He's physically and mentally gone.

Pussyhands · 06-04-2021 06:22PM

McGregor will probably win.

Poirier knows well he's getting the big purse this time, he doesn't care about the title so doubt he'll care too much.

06-04-2021 06:24PM

Pussyhands wrote: »

McGregor will probably win.

Poirier knows well he's getting the big purse this time, he doesn't care about the title so doubt he'll care too much.

spix · 06-04-2021 06:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hes saying Dustin will give Conor a W for a big payday to save his career.
Bisping did say he heard Dustin would be getting more than just a few million for the rematch.

MrStuffins · 06-04-2021 06:34PM

Pussyhands wrote: »

Poirier knows well he's getting the big purse this time, he doesn't care about the title so doubt he'll care too much.

Great breakdown there Pussyhands.

Can't wait for the next installment!

06-04-2021 06:36PM

spix wrote: »

Hes saying Dustin will give Conor a W for a big payday to save his career.
Bisping did say he heard Dustin would be getting more than just a few million for the rematch.

I post the same emojii.

Pussyhands · 06-04-2021 06:37PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Great breakdown there Pussyhands.

Can't wait for the next installment!

You'll need to pay for that.

Tazzimus · 06-04-2021 09:14PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I don't agree with those saying Conor didn't hurt Dustin, I think Dustin was hurt by Conor on a couple of occasions. But Dustin didn't go away. It sprang a doubt in Conor, who already has his own internal doubts about his stamina and cardio hanging around his neck constantly. There were plenty of deep breaths from Conor in that first round.

He didn't go away because instead of following up, Conor just stood there with his thumb up his hole waiting for Dustin to recover.
If he'd bothered to follow up he likely would have actually won that fight.

Pussyhands wrote: »

McGregor will probably win.

Poirier knows well he's getting the big purse this time, he doesn't care about the title so doubt he'll care too much.

No.

MrStuffins · 06-04-2021 09:46PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

He didn't go away because instead of following up, Conor just stood there with his thumb up his hole waiting for Dustin to recover.
If he'd bothered to follow up he likely would have actually won that fight.

And it's possible he didn't do so because he was worried about his gas tank. Happened in the first Diaz fight and he was lost

sonofenoch · 06-04-2021 09:51PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah maybe but does he deserve credit for the bare minimum of carrying on into the 4th round of a 5 round fight? For him to not give up is just standard behaviour. You're not supposed to give up.

However, if you watch the first Diaz fight you can see it. You can see when he starts to doubt himself.

I saw the same in the Poirier fight.

I don't agree with those saying Conor didn't hurt Dustin, I think Dustin was hurt by Conor on a couple of occasions. But Dustin didn't go away. It sprang a doubt in Conor, who already has his own internal doubts about his stamina and cardio hanging around his neck constantly. There were plenty of deep breaths from Conor in that first round.

He won the first round, but the shots that has put mortals away before (including Dustin) didn't put him away this time.

The second round started by Dustin compounding the good work he'd put in with the legs kicks and Conor couldn't hide it anymore. He started to reach for them, at one point catching two of them with his hand. Alarm bells and a huge indication to Dustin that they are doing the trick. You can see Conor's movement compromised at this point, approx 2 mins into the second round.

Conor can no longer move and starts to wing big punches. He knows he doesn't have much left. He actually hits Dustin with a big left but Dustin doesn't budge and that's that. You can see it in Conor's face that he knows he's in trouble. He's physically and mentally gone.

Wouldn't disagree on that, it's a most peculiar trait he has ....call it gas face or whatever but it's almost as if he changes appearance....when his face start to sag you know the game is up......I think it's been the case in all his losses

Coincide · 06-04-2021 09:56PM

Goes without saying this could go either way.

Conor looked very good in the first round. Be stupid to count him out

Still Ill · 06-04-2021 10:58PM

spix wrote: »

Bisping did say he heard Dustin would be getting more than just a few million for the rematch.

Really hope this is the case. Can't think of many fighters that deserve it more than Dustin. He was certainly in a good bargaining position after the victory. Great fighter and a great guy.

Tazzimus · 06-04-2021 11:45PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

And it's possible he didn't do so because he was worried about his gas tank. Happened in the first Diaz fight and he was lost

If he was worried about his gas tank he should have went after him and finished the fight, not let him recover and drag it out. Dustin isn't the zombie that Nate is, he can be finished.

Diaz 1 he was gassed because he was head hunting and throwing power shots constantly, he thought he could knock him out like previous fights, not taking into account Nates adamantium head.

cletus · 07-04-2021 12:31AM

Whelo79 wrote: »

It's amazing how 95% of the time (might be a slight exaggeration) people can never see a rematch having any other outcome than the first result.

Since UFC 1, 62% of the time the winner of the first match wins the rematch. Since 2012, that percentage is 77.7%

I'm not sure how this relates to your post. I like statistics

Mellor · 07-04-2021 12:57AM

cletus wrote: »

Since UFC 1, 62% of the time the winner of the first match wins the rematch. Since 2012, that percentage is 77.7%

I'm not sure how this relates to your post. I like statistics

I also like statistics. I think you both make good points.
In addition to the above, I'd like to see what the odds were for the rematch. I'd be pretty sure that the original loser is better odds on average going into a rematch. I wonder what is always backing the winner or loser would have been profitable.

I also think it's interesting that the general consensus is that McGregor is simply not as good as Dustin and can't cut it. When a few months ago, many of the same people said Dustin was a gimme fight and being fed to McGregor. :pac:

My view is that both sets of opinions are wrong.

cletus · 07-04-2021 01:25AM

Mellor wrote: »

I also like statistics. I think you both make good points.
In addition to the above, I'd like to see what the odds were for the rematch. I'd be pretty sure that the original loser is better odds on average going into a rematch. I wonder what is always backing the winner or loser would have been profitable.

I also think it's interesting that the general consensus is that McGregor is simply not as good as Dustin and can't cut it. When a few months ago, many of the same people said Dustin was a gimme fight and being fed to McGregor. :pac:

My view is that both sets of opinions are wrong.

https://www.oddsshark.com/ufc/ufc-rematch-betting-strategy-statistics

Ask and you shall receive...

eagle eye · 07-04-2021 01:45AM

cletus wrote:

Ask and you shall receive...

But this isn't fight 2, it's fight 3 and it's just as well you didn't have those stats for fight 2 as the winner of the first bout and strong favourite lost.

Batattackrat · 07-04-2021 01:59AM

Conor will batter him this time around.

Mellor · 07-04-2021 02:12AM

eagle eye wrote: »

But this isn't fight 2, it's fight 3 and it's just as well you didn't have those stats for fight 2 as the winner of the first bout and strong favourite lost.

Legend, thank you

cletus wrote: »

https://www.oddsshark.com/ufc/ufc-rematch-betting-strategy-statistics

Ask and you shall receive...

Whether it's fight 2 or 3 it's still a rematch. And I'd be pretty confident the betting/odds aspect we are talking about apply just as much to a rubber match.

PatrickDoherty · 07-04-2021 02:32AM

Has anyone else rewatched the last fight back without commentary and scored Rd1 to Dustin like myself?

Personally think it was close but scored it to Dustin some people seem to think Conor dominated rd1,

I give him very little chance in the rematch in July just hasnt the heart (silk sheets and all that)

On top of that I believe his team are the worst mma squad you could possibly want in your corner for example his fitness coach is Colin Byrne a retired semi pro nobody cyclist who owns a nice gym in Portugal, Cian Cowley his go to sparring partner an absolutely woeful mma fighter who was an ok regional fighter in muay thai and has no skills bar cheer leading Conor and being a punch bag, I wouldnt doubt Kavanagh too much or his wrestling coach who are not really charlatans like the rest of his ''team''.

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