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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

  • 31-03-2021 10:14am
    #1
    Beasty
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    1st thread
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    Mod Warnings

    1. Shouldn't need to say this, but unfortunately too many of you seem to ignore a very basic principle when posting - remain civil to each other, otherwise you will have posting privileges removed

    2. Can we not have the roundabout question of putting teachers on PUP every 10 pages or so please. You know the answer to the question so why bother asking it

    3. Stick to the topic, which is not moderation or other users. Remain civil. Report, don't react, to posts or posters who you think are an issue. This is unfortunately a polarised topic for some (not all). There is some middle ground though and please do not think the worse of posters simply because you have opposing views


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  • #2
    DSN
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    As a parent am all for those in essential work (like schools) & who cant SD getting the vaccine before me who WFM. No issue & yes would be mad if by September we told schools cant open because young teachers not done. But I obviously have a bit more faith in the vaccine roll out though & do feel that anyone who wants it will have it before September.
    I think promising teachers they would be ahead of Joe Public to get them back to school & rolling back on it is a bit **** though I didn't realise this. I do hope they'll say teachers can be in group 9 - or the crowded settings group whatever you call it.


  • #3
    TheDriver
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    It's the manner in which all was changed with a pen stroke is the shameful bit. Dreadful stuff.
    January proved you don't just make landmark decisions without consulting and explaining the reasons first.


  • #4
    Icyseanfitz
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    As an SNA we where promised priority as part of our returning to work agreement. Not one bit surprised that's gone out the window again, ****ing joke. Have they removed the stipulation of keeping pregnant teachers/staff out of school yet? Because that's certainly coming as well.


  • #5
    is_that_so
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    TheDriver wrote: »
    It's the manner in which all was changed with a pen stroke is the shameful bit. Dreadful stuff.
    January proved you don't just make landmark decisions without consulting and explaining the reasons first.
    They have explained it and it's really not sudden, it will be May/June before we get all the at risks groups done anyway.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/niac-vaccine-recommendations-5397171-Mar2021/


  • #6
    KathleenGrant
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    The special schools opened first (admittedly very shortly before midterm) and units in mainstream schools shortly after. This was because it was recognised the valuable part they play in the lives of those children and their families. Many of those students cannot social distance and the staff are required to be in close proximity and some even provide intimate care.

    If the service they provide is that invaluable that they are back first (weeks before some students and months before others) then all staff working in special schools and units should be vaccinated as a priority group.


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  • #7
    am_zarathustra
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    I'd actually be fine with that. I'm not concerned about myself but I think teachers in special schools and SNAs are not only at risk themselves but cana pass it to vunerabke children. Anything we can do to stop that. It's galling. I've several friends vaccinated and none would be around even a fraction of the number of people most teachers are around.


  • #8
    jimmytwotimes 2013
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    https://twitter.com/conormurrayTM/status/1376952850731896832?s=19

    Funny


  • #9
    average_runner
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    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/conormurrayTM/status/1376952850731896832?s=19

    Funny




    Oh yeah forgot the virus doesn't hit the older parents at home more exposed to covid than 30 year old.


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
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    Look at that. Last week, from 6,538 tests after close contact testing undertaken in educational facilities following notification to Departments of Public Health of a confirmed case of Covid-19 who had attended a facility during the infectious time period, less than 2% tested positive. That's less than 1 in 50 of those exposed to an infectious student or teacher.
    It truly is starting to look like the safe school mantra is actually true

    548768.JPG


    Also in the 2 weeks to the 30th of MArch, Karen Central Alerting parents of outbreaks in Schools reported cases in 270 schools, in the week from the 19th to the 26th there was contact tracing testing in 257 schools.


  • #11
    jimmytwotimes 2013
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Look at that. Last week, from 6,538 tests after close contact testing undertaken in educational facilities following notification to Departments of Public Health of a confirmed case of Covid-19 who had attended a facility during the infectious time period, less than 2% tested positive. That's less than 1 in 50 of those exposed to an infectious student or teacher.
    It truly is starting to look like the safe school mantra is actually true

    548768.JPG


    Also in the 2 weeks to the 30th of MArch, Karen Central Alerting parents of outbreaks in Schools reported cases in 270 schools, in the week from the 19th to the 26th there was contact tracing testing in 257 schools.

    2nd level missing 1st-4th years, they'd want to be safe. An argument for alternate weeks as many proposed on here.


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  • #12
    Beasty
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    TheDriver wrote: »
    It's the manner in which all was changed with a pen stroke is the shameful bit. Dreadful stuff.
    January proved you don't just make landmark decisions without consulting and explaining the reasons first.
    It really is the only way to manage a pandemic like this. Leave it open to consultation and nothing gets done, with everyone making themselves out to be special cases

    It's proven most effective elsewhere. I would imagine one of the major benefits when they talk about "efficiency" is it takes a lot of pressure off the health service in terms of patient care. But not only that, it avoids debate/argument over who fits in which consort and who's turn is it next and indeed arguments like the one surrounding the Beacon fiasco

    And I will freely acknowledge this pushes me massively up the list, but that is not the issue for me. I suspect I'm amongst the fittest for my age group (although equally my health has suffered through accident and injury, with me due back in the Sports Surgery Clinic tomorrow for what will be my 5th procedure in just over 6 months). A lot of other people my age will be at much higher risk than those in their 20s or 30s in the teaching profession. Of course those in their 50s and 60s will probably move up the list


  • #13
    Crocodile Booze
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It truly is starting to look like the safe schools mantra is actually true

    Sure they are safe. Wanna buy a bridge?


  • #14
    [Deleted User]
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    France orders schools closed

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0331/1207319-france-coronavirus/


  • #15
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    Crocodile Booze wrote: »
    Sure they are safe. Wanna buy a bridge?

    So they are hiding the positive tests from an average of 24 tests per school outbreak?


  • #16
    am_zarathustra
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    I'm not so pushed about being moved down the list, personally I feel it's the right choice, I'm not likely to even be I'll, nevermind very ill. The only issue I see is keeping schools open. Like the ICU beds the chronic underfunding of education and the lack of substitutes will lead to closures. My argument for possible vaccination in urban areas would be purely logistical and to avoid closures. Should be ok at secondary but primary might end up with rolling class closures.


  • #17
    Knine
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    KathleenGrant wrote: »
    The special schools opened first (admittedly very shortly before midterm) and units in mainstream schools shortly after. This was because it was recognised the valuable part they play in the lives of those children and their families. Many of those students cannot social distance and the staff are required to be in close proximity and some even provide intimate care.

    If the service they provide is that invaluable that they are back first (weeks before some students and months before others) then all staff working in special schools and units should be vaccinated as a priority group.

    I agree 100% A bit too late for us though as my daughter brought it home from her special school. Now we are all positive.


  • #18
    KathleenGrant
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    Knine wrote: »
    I agree 100% A bit too late for us though as my daughter brought it home from her special school. Now we are all positive.

    That's tough. Hope you are all ok.


  • #19
    vid36
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    TheTorment wrote: »
    France orders schools closed

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0331/1207319-france-coronavirus/

    Macron had taken a very firm stance on keeping schools open but at the end of day its all about the numbers. Case numbers, hospital numbers and ICU capacity decide not political will. I really hope we do not experience this again.


  • #20
    History Queen
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    Interesting development. Though I assume they know the Department of Education are unfamiliar with the term "immediately"

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1377632676832800768?s=19


  • #21
    km79
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    History Queen wrote: »
    Interesting development. Though I assume they know the Department of Education are unfamiliar with the term "immediately"

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1377632676832800768?s=19

    Who will administer them ?


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  • #22
    Tiredteach
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    People reporting on Twitter that 16 members of staff in a special needs school in Ireland have tested positive this week.


  • #23
    Knine
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    Tiredteach wrote: »
    People reporting on Twitter that 16 members of staff in a special needs school in Ireland have tested positive this week.

    Likely the same special needs school my daughter goes to. I actually got a call from a HSE Public Health Doctor about the situation!


  • #24
    deiseindublin
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    Sorry to read your post Knine, I hope you and family are not too sick/feeling ok.

    Not saying it's ok to get/have it but I think were it here I'd be happier for us all to be in the same boat, at the same time, as trying to isolate from each other would be difficult.


  • #25
    Knine
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    deiseindublin wrote: »
    Sorry to read your post Knine, I hope you and family are not too sick/feeling ok.

    Not saying it's ok to get/have it but I think were it here I'd be happier for us all to be in the same boat, at the same time, as trying to isolate from each other would be difficult.

    No isolating from a child with a lot of care needs! We are starting to hopefully come out the other side of it


  • #26
    am_zarathustra
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    Sorry to here that Knine, I'm sure you have enough on your plate. Hopefully you all feel better soon.

    In the current climate I actually don't know how you and other parents have coped, it's a real stricking juxtaposition between parents doing everything with so few supports and consultants putting vaccines in their pockets. Ye are phenomenal


  • #27
    appledrop
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    So sorry to hear that Knine hope your all doing ok.

    Irish Times reporting that CRC in Clontarf a special schools has 15 positive cases.

    Not asking you to identify if this is your daughters school but worrying if it's not and it's another outbreak!

    Disgraceful that staff in special schools are not receiving priority for vaccines.

    They are always going to be at higher risk of catching it, your can't social distance in a special school.


  • #28
    byhookorbycrook
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    Knine wrote: »
    I agree 100% A bit too late for us though as my daughter brought it home from her special school. Now we are all positive.

    SET here, I'm so sorry to read that this has been visited on your family and wish you all the best outcome possible.


  • #29
    byhookorbycrook
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Look at that. Last week, from 6,538 tests after close contact testing undertaken in educational facilities following notification to Departments of Public Health of a confirmed case of Covid-19 who had attended a facility during the infectious time period, less than 2% tested positive. That's less than 1 in 50 of those exposed to an infectious student or teacher.
    It truly is starting to look like the safe school mantra is actually true

    548768.JPG


    Also in the 2 weeks to the 30th of MArch, Karen Central Alerting parents of outbreaks in Schools reported cases in 270 schools, in the week from the 19th to the 26th there was contact tracing testing in 257 schools.

    Contact tracing is exceptionally hit and miss, in many cases those who would be designated as close contacts anywhere else are not deemed to be so in schools. Like "mass testing" "pods" and "bubbles" it sounds so very reassuring whilst being completely without meaning in schools.

    As to "schools are safe" there is quite a lot of anecdotal reporting of HSE officials trying to tie people in knots so that an outbreak/ cases will not be deemed as school linked.


  • #30
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    Contact tracing is exceptionally hit and miss, in many cases those who would be designated as close contacts anywhere else are not deemed to be so in schools. Like "mass testing" "pods" and "bubbles" it sounds so very reassuring whilst being completely without meaning in schools.

    As to "schools are safe" there is quite a lot of anecdotal reporting of HSE officials trying to tie people in knots so that an outbreak/ cases will not be deemed as school linked.

    And yet we have data here showing 25 test per school where contact tracing was carried out


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  • #31
    shtpEdthePlum
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    Beasty wrote: »
    It really is the only way to manage a pandemic like this. Leave it open to consultation and nothing gets done, with everyone making themselves out to be special cases

    It's proven most effective elsewhere. I would imagine one of the major benefits when they talk about "efficiency" is it takes a lot of pressure off the health service in terms of patient care. But not only that, it avoids debate/argument over who fits in which consort and who's turn is it next and indeed arguments like the one surrounding the Beacon fiasco
    The best way of doing it, and the way nobody in this entire country even mentions, is to do entire regions at a go as a lottery. That way, whole areas could go back to normal at the same time and relative economic normality could resume. Also it would make it less likely that virus would mutate in the portion of the population who aren't vaccinated as they mingle with those who are.

    But that just makes way too much sense, and it would get rid of the fighting and bickering which is making us too busy to direct our energy at the tyrannical and sick ruling regime we're currently oppressed by.


  • #32
    History Queen
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And yet we have data here showing 25 test per school where contact tracing was carried out

    You realise in many schools 25 tests would be less than a class? In post primary a student could be in class with 60 or 70 different students throughout the day, more in some cases.


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
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    History Queen wrote: »
    You realise in many schools 25 tests would be less than a class? In post primary a student could be in class with 60 or 70 different students throughout the day, more in some cases.

    25 on average, with most in primary school


  • #34
    History Queen
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    25 on average, with most in primary school

    The average tells us very little though. In my area one primary school had all staff and students tested last week such was the scale of the cluster, in another primary, of similar size in a neighbouring parish, two people were tested.


  • #35
    Beasty
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    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    The best way of doing it, and the way nobody in this entire country even mentions, is to do entire regions at a go as a lottery. That way, whole areas could go back to normal at the same time and relative economic normality could resume. Also it would make it less likely that virus would mutate in the portion of the population who aren't vaccinated as they mingle with those who are.

    But that just makes way too much sense, and it would get rid of the fighting and bickering which is making us too busy to direct our energy at the tyrannical and sick ruling regime we're currently oppressed by.
    That would not make sense if you are considering health as the main priority, which is very much the case with Ireland's approach. The economy has been very much put on the back burner

    Vaccinating in order of vulnerability is the "purest" way to do it when considering health. That means those with specific vulnerability and exposures first, then down though the age groups, which is exactly how it has turned out


  • #36
    Darwin
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    Beasty wrote: »
    That would not make sense if you are considering health as the main priority, which is very much the case with Ireland's approach. The economy has been very much put on the back burner

    Vaccinating in order of vulnerability is the "purest" way to do it when considering health. That means those with specific vulnerability and exposures first, then down though the age groups, which is exactly how it has turned out

    If those with specific exposures have been prioritised, then surely all public facing essential workers will have been vaccinated first? This has been the model in quite a few EU countries, but not here.


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    byhookorbycrook
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    Beasty wrote: »
    That would not make sense if you are considering health as the main priority, which is very much the case with Ireland's approach. The economy has been very much put on the back burner

    Vaccinating in order of vulnerability is the "purest" way to do it when considering health. That means those with specific vulnerability and exposures first, then down though the age groups, which is exactly how it has turned out

    But it hasn’t . Otherwise those working in schools , the Gardai retail and early childhood settings should be vaccinated shortly . The “ new “ approach means that a perfectly healthy 50 year old accountant working from home will be vaccinated before a 26 year high risk crèche worker .
    It’s being sold through death figures, exclusively, taking no account of hospitalisation and long Covid.


  • #38
    Beasty
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    Those facing Covid patients have

    School teachers, Guards and the like are really little different from Supermarket workers in terms of their exposure to and risk of catching Covid 19

    So can anyone tell me - how many teachers have died from Covid-19? What proportion of the workforce? Then compare that with the proportion of over 60s that have died. That tells you where priorities should lie.

    I heard yesterday someone in their 60s is something like 70 times more likely to die from Covid-19 that someone in their 20s. I think it was something like 50 times when compared to someone in their 30s. I presume that was in relation to numbers catching the disease and I full accept that teachers, Guards and supermarket workers are more exposed. But are they 50 or 70 times more exposed? I suspect not.


  • #39
    am_zarathustra
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    This is very true, vaccinate everyone even over 60 first but not vaccinating teachers will lead to rolling closures. I don't much care, I'm happy moving between online and in person but it's crap for the kids and I don't think the general public understand that this is what will happen.

    I will also say they should have understood their own limitations from the start or done better job. A properly cross referancable database is what's preventing this happening and causing the opening for corrultion. Hire some programmers, good ones, and then don't let a single person above assistant principal in the CS talk to them.

    Hopefully we will be done by next september.


  • #40
    byhookorbycrook
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    We need to think beyond death as the sole measure of failure in the Covid battle .
    In any case, schools will be forced to close more and more even if the 21 year old teacher “only” gets a “ mild dose ,” because there will be no-one to replace her . Likewise the SNAs and school bus escorts. The same applies to the early childhood and crèche sector .

    If schools are inherently safe , why were classes other than Leaving and 5th years told to remain learning from home ?


  • #41
    lulublue22
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    From a personal point of view I’m not too pushed re vac list. Though I’m well out of my 20’s I’m healthy with no underlying health conditions and I’m not in a position whereby I could spread it to vulnerable extended family members. I realise that this is not true for a lot of my colleagues who have genuine fears re the potential spread of covid to their families and loved ones.
    From a professional perspective though I don’t understand given the importance for children’s emotional , social and academic wellbeing that the gov , advocacy groups and parents have placed on in person education. For the last year a cornerstone of gov policy has been to keep schools open due to the detrimental effects of school closures. Concerns have been raised as to the regression of children with additional needs , the impact of school closures on children in DEIS schools , the inequitable access to education that arises due to lack of resources for on line learning.
    Not vaccinating school staff will result in rolling class and possibly school closures. Subs are very very thin on the ground. Will parents and the general public be happy with this continuing on into a new school year. No one is advocating prioritising teachers over the elderly and / or those with underlying health conditions but if we value in person education as much as we say we do it makes absolutely no sense for a 50 year old wfh to be vaccinated before a 35 year old teacher.


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  • #42
    combat14
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    does any one know if all further education and third level students are back in school/ college on the 12 april or do they stay fully online at that stage


  • #43
    nothing
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    combat14 wrote: »
    does any one know if all further education and third level students are back in school/ college on the 12 april or do they stay fully online at that stage

    Seems to be remaining online as there's no mention of a return, until we're back in level 3 or lower

    https://forumofgames.com/



  • #44
    km79
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    combat14 wrote: »
    does any one know if all further education and third level students are back in school/ college on the 12 april or do they stay fully online at that stage

    Of course not
    Simon Harris is too busy telling every other minister how to do their jobs
    He “hopes” to have them back in Septmeber though .......I await his Instagram update as to how this will happen


  • #45
    wirelessdude01
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    km79 wrote: »
    Of course not
    Simon Harris is too busy telling every other minister how to do their jobs
    He “hopes” to have them back in Septmeber though .......I await his Instagram update as to how this will happen

    Hasn't he now moved to TikTok as his preferred outlet 😂


  • #46
    Natterjack from Kerry
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    It looks like a face saving exercise now for teachers and gardai with a bit of creative ambiguity and language thrown in.


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardaiand-teachers-say-a-twin-track-approach-must-be-takento-covid-19-vaccination-40273865.html

    A twin track approach with both priority groups, and age based roll outs, to happen in parallel. Which of course is a nonsense. There is only one track. There is a finite amount of vaccine and vaccination resource. But things will probably happen quickly enough in the next 3 months that there will be no real difference, or clearcut who is where, in the queue. The 'twin track' idea just looks like a typical fudging so that representatives and negotiators are not shown up for not have gotten anything changed for their members.

    It is against the nature of such established unions to ever bow to a greater good, but to fight to the end for whatever is best for their members - the getting of anything in the end being the proof that they were right to fight for it. But looks like NIAC, NPHET, and the govt, all holding firm on the clearcut science based age based programme. I could see them ostensibly going for the twin track idea, which can be presented as doing something for them, but in reality will make no difference to the timetable for the vaste majority. They will just have different way of registering or notified, which will give the illusion of them being different to the greater public. And will be easilty scalable - any other interest groups playing hardball can be added in the same way - with the same fundamental no change, despite the negotiating choreography.


  • #47
    byhookorbycrook
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    Funny how the “ science” prioritises school staff and police in most other countries.


  • #48
    Beasty
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    Funny how the “ science” prioritises school staff and police in most other countries.

    I do not believe that for one minute

    Someone in their 60s with this virus is 70 times more likely to die than someone in their 20s with it. The science is pretty clear


  • #49
    selectamatic
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    Beasty wrote: »
    I do not believe that for one minute

    Someone in their 60s with this virus is 70 times more likely to die than someone in their 20s with it. The science is pretty clear

    Yep very clear on mortality.

    However definitely not clear on the impact to spread and the reopening of society/economy.

    The USA, Israel and the UAE have prioritised key workers along with those who are vulnerable.

    Obviously with an emphasis on the vulnerable first and foremost. In fact I believe the UAE are gone to strictly those who are vulnerable now for a while after many key workers have been vaccinated.


  • #50
    Darwin
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    Beasty wrote: »
    I do not believe that for one minute

    Someone in their 60s with this virus is 70 times more likely to die than someone in their 20s with it. The science is pretty clear

    I don't dispute at all the somebody in their 60s are more are risk, but let's put to bed first that all teachers are in their 20s, they most definitely are not.
    Other countries such as USA, Italy, Croatia, Germany, Austria to name a few have already prioritised frontline workers for vaccination.
    It has been shown that the most effective way of reducing the R rate is to close schools as they are now doing in France. Therefore it makes perfect sense to prioritise those who are most at risk of catching it after the most vulnerable have been taken care of.


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    dubal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭dubal


    But if the vaccine for teachers is to protect them at work.

    Since if they are prioritised it's unlikely they will be protected before the school term end its pointless.

    Unless they want to to be rewarded so they can have a nice summer holiday??


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