When will it all end?

Multipass · 30-03-2021 05:36PM

mammychicken wrote: »

This situation is a disaster, I thought my 16 year old son was having a laugh when he told me last night that in three years of secondary school (junior cert cancelled for him this summer) he has only completed one full year…..first year….he missed the last term of second year summer 2020 and hasn’t been back to third year since December 2020 – the 18 year old has nearly finished her first year in University without even setting foot on campus….

They are all I have but I will be encouraging them in no uncertain terms to leave this country which I love as soon as ever they can because I see no future for them here, the backs of the young in this country will be broken and bowed for generations to come, paying for the disaster caused by the response of this so called Government, the zealots in NEPHET and the most useless opposition ever seen in the Dail

I’ve been working the whole way through this bloody disaster and I’m sick of the whole thing, the corruption, the lies, the failure of ministers, the attitudes of certain sectors of the public service, the cronyism invading the rollout of vaccines but most of all, the abject fear indoctrinated in some Irish people by the excuse for a media that we have here. My brother lives in South Africa, and believe me, he’s even gobsmacked by whats going on here.

So ****ing angry at this stage.

Same here, my daughter is nearly finished the year in a university she has never been to. No new friends, no practicals, never even seen the campus. The lectures and exams have been a joke. Her future is in another country, I’m sure of that.

30-03-2021 05:49PM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/lifting-lockdown-too-early-would-cause-covid-wave-lasting-until-summer-ministers-told-1103722.html

Some of the items of interest.........

April 12th: Extending the five-kilometre exercise limit to a county-wide limit; (The meeting saw the approval of plans to allow people to travel within their country or within a 20km radius of their home even if that crosses a county boundary from April 12th.)
April 12th: Two fully vaccinated people permitted to meet indoors, and two households permitted to meet outdoors;
April 12th: All school students will return to classrooms;
April 12th: A partial resumption of construction will begin with the return of 5,000 home building workers;
April 19th: The return of elite athletics and GAA;
April 26th: Resuming some sporting activities including tennis, golf and under 18 training;
April 26th: Reopening of zoos and heritage sites;
May 4th: Reopening of museums and galleries;
May: A phased return of personal services such as hairdressers, retail and click-and-collect services, and the remainder of construction.

Diarmuid · 30-03-2021 05:57PM

Augeo wrote: »

April 12th: Two fully vaccinated people permitted to meet indoors, .

Two. Not three. What clown is making these rules up? Either the vaccines work or they don't

eastie17 · 30-03-2021 06:00PM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

That's it exactly. Realistically it's always been about not overwhelming the health system. The need to avoid that scenario that was playing out in Bergamo and the fear of that ever happening here has probably driven their ultra Conservative approach. Decades of wasted funds, underspending on health care ect. has put them in a worse position than most other 1st World countries when it comes to easing restrictions since apparently our dreadful healthcare system can't deal with the potential increased capacities other countries can deal with. It's all a pretty horrible joke.

Fine, but what do they do between this year and last year over a full 12 months to increase capacity so that we could possibly have a higher threshold without killing our hospitals? NOTHING!

They continuously fail to pull other levers on this and be inventinve so you could protect the population, protect the hospitals AND let people have a little bit of life, instead they keep taking the easy option, for them.

We're doubly ****ed now because none of this shower have any chance of seeing the inside of Government for another 5 years after this which means the Shinners will romp home and anyone earning more than 40K a year will absolutely get raped in taxes for God knows how long.

wadacrack · 30-03-2021 06:11PM

wadacrack wrote: »

"We have hope, we have vaccines on the way"

This aged well.

NIMAN · 30-03-2021 07:41PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

How has Japan kept its case numbers so low? We have 500-600 cases per day with restrictions.

I would guess a lot of it is down to the mentality of the 2 peoples?

I'd say Japanese people are more inclined to listen to their Gov and health authorities and do what they are told.

Too many Irish people would be more inclined to say "feck that" and do what they want.
And don't forget the population density in Japan, they should have multiples of what we have, considering so much of Ireland is very rural.

Just a theory?

Mr. Karate · 30-03-2021 08:21PM

Diarmuid wrote: »

Two. Not three. What clown is making these rules up? Either the vaccines work or they don't

Shows you that they still want to have control over us. Hence why there's still no word on being able to stop wearing the masks even after we're fully vaccinated.

Multipass · 30-03-2021 08:41PM

That’s insanely late for click and collect, I don’t understand the argument against it - it’s just driving everyone into the big chain stores.

drunkmonkey · 30-03-2021 08:47PM

Multipass wrote: »

That’s insanely late for click and collect, I don’t understand the argument against it - it’s just driving everyone into the big chain stores.

Retailer shouldn't accept click and collect at this stage, if Tesco & Co aren't a major source of infection all retail should be open. It's complete nonsense we can't buy clothes etc.

mcsean2163 · 30-03-2021 11:28PM

NIMAN wrote: »

I would guess a lot of it is down to the mentality of the 2 peoples?

I'd say Japanese people are more inclined to listen to their Gov and health authorities and do what they are told.

Too many Irish people would be more inclined to say "feck that" and do what they want.
And don't forget the population density in Japan, they should have multiples of what we have, considering so much of Ireland is very rural.

Just a theory?

Fwiw the following study showed enormous spread of covid19 in Japan.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.21.20198796v1

I focused on something Japan, Thailand, Africa and China had in common and emailed the government with our work. We got a polite PFO.

Kunta Kinte · 30-03-2021 11:42PM

Hooked wrote: »

High time we took our lives back... Get out and live.

Here's my motto:
Keep your distance, wash those hands and above all
IGNORE the clueless clowns running the show.

I'm officially done.

PS
Can't wait to have a few friends over for beers in the sun.

Really? And will all those friends having those beers in the sun also be following your motto?

NaFirinne · 30-03-2021 11:46PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Shows you that they still want to have control over us. Hence why there's still no word on being able to stop wearing the masks even after we're fully vaccinated.

I thought the vaccines just stop the severe sides of covid, but don't stop you actually getting or spreading covid.

Geuze · 31-03-2021 12:06AM

NaFirinne wrote: »

I thought the vaccines just stop the severe sides of covid, but don't stop you actually getting or spreading covid.

The evidence is building that the vaccines prevent transmission, as well as sickness.

Mr. Karate · 31-03-2021 12:18AM

NaFirinne wrote: »

I thought the vaccines just stop the severe sides of covid, but don't stop you actually getting or spreading covid.

Much like the Asympomatic bull**** [tricking healthy people into thinking they're actually sick] that's a scam to try and keep this going for as long as possible.

GT89 · 31-03-2021 12:45AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Retailer shouldn't accept click and collect at this stage, if Tesco & Co aren't a major source of infection all retail should be open. It's complete nonsense we can't buy clothes etc.

Didn't you know the new variant is clever enough to know not to get you if your shopping in Tesco but will strike you down and send you straight to the ICU if you're in Penny's it lurks in the womens underwear section.

Hooked · 31-03-2021 07:03AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Really? And will all those friends having those beers in the sun also be following your motto?

All those friends will be keeping their distance, drinking outdoors. Getting on with life...

And I said it was MY motto to ignore the clowns running the country.

Not all adults need to be told how to behave during a pandemic. Some of us can decide for ourselves where the line is between risk and reward. And others blindly follow the man on da telly - which is their right.

31-03-2021 07:38AM

House prices jump 8% in 12 months as a supply falls by a third. In the journal this morning.

Great idea to close construction for so long...

Wanderer78 · 31-03-2021 07:42AM

Deleted User wrote:

Great idea to close construction for so long...

An even better idea is to offer first time buyers grants to purchase, so they can further out bid each other!

Squeeonline · 31-03-2021 08:07AM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Much like the Asympomatic bull**** [tricking healthy people into thinking they're actually sick] that's a scam to try and keep this going for as long as possible.

WTF are you on about? If you want to stop the spread of the virus, we have to identify asymptomatic people. It's quite likely they are one of the biggest spreaders.

Yes they might not feel sick, but they are endangering others. No one wants to be the reason that dozens are infected, get actual symptoms, and have a risk of dying.

No one wants this situation going as long as possible, but one of the best ways to stop it sooner is to track and isolate the virus rather than the symptoms.

Quazzie · 31-03-2021 08:12AM

Squeeonline wrote: »

WTF are you on about? If you want to stop the spread of the virus, we have to identify asymptomatic people. It's quite likely they are one of the biggest spreaders.

Yes they might not feel sick, but they are endangering others. No one wants to be the reason that dozens are infected, get actual symptoms, and have a risk of dying.

No one wants this situation going as long as possible, but one of the best ways to stop it sooner is to track and isolate the virus rather than the symptoms.

You're wasting your time. Some people are just that self absorbed that they can only see what they want and will do whatever they want. They justify as some sort of epiphany but the reality is they are all just pricks putting their own selfish desires ahead of the health of the nation.

31-03-2021 08:14AM

Squeeonline wrote: »

WTF are you on about? If you want to stop the spread of the virus, we have to identify asymptomatic people. It's quite likely they are one of the biggest spreaders.

Yes they might not feel sick, but they are endangering others. No one wants to be the reason that dozens are infected, get actual symptoms, and have a risk of dying.

No one wants this situation going as long as possible, but one of the best ways to stop it sooner is to track and isolate the virus rather than the symptoms.

Our tracing system is useless and we have no interest in regional restrictions or trying to live with Covid. So identifying cases doesn’t really achieve much.

It’s blanket lockdown until people are vaccinated.

suicide_circus · 31-03-2021 08:26AM

If 80% or so of the population still support total lockdown then even if click n collect, sport facilities etc opened up, these people would remain at home, right?

El_Duderino 09 · 31-03-2021 08:34AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

If 80% or so of the population still support total lockdown then even if click n collect, sport facilities etc opened up, these people would remain at home, right?

I’d say most people will play to the rules. So if click and collect etc. is allowed, they’d probably use it if they need to. What’s your point?

bucketybuck · 31-03-2021 08:36AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

If 80% or so of the population still support total lockdown then even if click n collect, sport facilities etc opened up, these people would remain at home, right?

Careful, you might stray into the question of personal responsibility, which is an awkward question that a lot of people don't want to talk about.

Deleted User wrote: »

House prices jump 8% in 12 months as a supply falls by a third. In the journal this morning.

Great idea to close construction for so long...

Oh I do look forward to all the wailing and crying about other social issues that we are going to be subjected to when the covid monster runs dry.

Mental health, homelessness, recessions, they are going to remember about all those things and start asking me to pay for them again.

I think my sympathy is going to be lacking. People wanted this, they can have it, don't cry to me about the consequences.

drunkmonkey · 31-03-2021 08:38AM

Remember when the WHO said Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is 'very rare' then some vested interest got angry on twitter so they backtracked within a few hours and now healthy people are deemed a major source of transmission even though the science never changed.

Anyone I know who got Covid it came from a sick person or being in an environment like a hospital, any asymptomatic person I know did not spread it to the rest of their household.

Asymptomatic = Healthy, no symptoms.

The real selfish people are the ones demanding control over how other people live and what they do with their body. This will become even more apparent as vaccine supply increases and these same people are cheering for apartheid.

pjohnson · 31-03-2021 08:42AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

these same people are cheering for apartheid.

:pac:

drunkmonkey · 31-03-2021 08:46AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

If 80% or so of the population still support total lockdown then even if click n collect, sport facilities etc opened up, these people would remain at home, right?

80% don't, that's just propaganda, notice how every politician on TV and the Radio says "the vast majority of people are sticking to the guidelines', the last thing they're going to admit is the majority aren't sticking to the guidelines.

Click and collect is farscical any non chain retailer I know will let you in the back door, a few have been reported by the curtain twitchers but the guards haven't done anything bar tell them someone reported them, keep calm and carry on.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-03-2021 08:47AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Careful, you might stray into the question of personal responsibility, which is an awkward question that a lot of people don't want to talk about.

...

The personal responsibility argument is awkward for those who advocate for relying on personal responsibility instead of enforcement.

The other day we had posters saying the rule which mandates quarantine for people coming from abroad through NI was stupid because it can’t be enforced. But surely we can just rely on personal responsibility. I mean, if everyone assesses the risks and decides to come here through NI, then it couldn’t be a bad thing, could it?

Likewise, lots of people assessed the risks and decided to travel to Ireland at Christmas. Others assessed the risks and decided to meet family and friends over Christmas and we had some pretty severe consequences ever since.

drunkmonkey · 31-03-2021 08:50AM

pjohnson wrote: »

:pac:

We're already witnessing it, the phase 4 vaccine testers already have more rights, well they don't really but the Government have spun it so they think they have. I don't recall having someone in your house or garden being against the law. It was just a recommendation.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-03-2021 08:54AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

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Oh I do look forward to all the wailing and crying about other social issues that we are going to be subjected to when the covid monster runs dry.

Mental health, homelessness, recessions, they are going to remember about all those things and start asking me to pay for them again.

I think my sympathy is going to be lacking. People wanted this, they can have it, don't cry to me about the consequences.

Lol. I’m suppose you had loads of sympathy for the mentally ill, the homeless and the poor pre-covid.

In fairness, the ones who have discovered their support for the mental health cause only since they realised it’s an argument against restrictions, will most likely go back to not giving a shyte about mental illness as soon as covid is over - you’ve said precisely this in the post quoted above.

You won’t have sympathy for the mentally ill, homelessness or those affected by recession. I’m sure you’ll be no huge loss to those causes.

When will it all end?

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