COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

plodder · 26-02-2021 09:20AM

ypres5 wrote: »

just wondering if the vaccines can be stored in a normal freezer does that mean that in hindsight doses were thrown out that shouldn't have been? not blaming anyone but it's a shame looking back if that's the case

Not necessarily. Even with the new guidelines, they can only be out of the freezer for a limited time and it's more likely that it was the refrigerated or room-temperature limitations that were breached.

26-02-2021 09:21AM

Caquas wrote: »

No cause for claiming to be doing “exceptionally well” then.

Especially if the chart omits our nearest neighbour who is doing far better on vaccine rollout. by any measure.

They are not doing better on Rollout, rather procurement. We have rolled out virtually everything we have

ixoy · 26-02-2021 09:57AM

Caquas wrote: »

No cause for claiming to be doing “exceptionally well” then.

Especially if the chart omits our nearest neighbour who is doing far better on vaccine rollout. by any measure.

Sure the UK are, but Ireland's done better than most of the world, including Europe, by any measure. Have a look at the actual data: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
The last available date for data for Ireland is the 21st. At that point, we're 24rd the world for vaccinating people per 100k (and that's the figure that counts - not absolute amounts).

But peering down further, if you look at those who have received a double dose, we're in the Top 10 and the UK is much further down the list. We're taking the current recommended approach here.

And as raind mentioned, per that chart, Ireland is getting the vaccines out as fast as possible, which is noteworthy when we're also managing a high level on the second dosing.

Sconsey · 26-02-2021 10:57AM

A lot of posts asking why certain prefessions are where they are in the rollout priority list. My take on the prioritisation, is there are four main groups (am ignoring key workers for vaccine rollout, it's too small a group):

First group = Healtcare workers, they are hugely exposed to the virus and without them the health service collapses

Second group = Elderly and medically vulnerable, it's about the likelhood of these people getting very sick if they contract Covid. The priority is not risk of exposure, it is risk of bad outcomes.

Third Group = People more likely to be exposed, this is the point where risk of exposure is considered.

Fourth Group = Everyone else

So for people asking about teachers or prison officers, they may be at a higher risk of exposure, but they are a lower risk of negative outcomes from the disease (compared to elderly or vulnerable), so they are not the current priority.

ceegee · 26-02-2021 11:22AM

Increase of 13721.

Apogee · 26-02-2021 11:23AM

12,766 administered on Tuesday - almost all first doses

Mark1916 · 26-02-2021 12:13PM

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1365258290243006466?s=21

iguana · 26-02-2021 12:21PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Third Group = People more likely to be exposed, this is the point where risk of exposure is considered.

I think there is maybe a group before this. People who are more likely to be exposed and spread the virus to the vulnerable. Say for example someone maintaining IT systems or utility services for the HSE. They are in and out of different hospitals and care facilities. Often several a day. They are more likely to be exposed than most people but unlike a retail worker, for example, if they are exposed they become an infection risk to many of our most vulnerable in multiple settings. They aren't frontline healthcare workers but they really should be prioritised in an early group.

odyssey06 · 26-02-2021 12:57PM

iguana wrote: »

I think there is maybe a group before this. People who are more likely to be exposed and spread the virus to the vulnerable. Say for example someone maintaining IT systems or utility services for the HSE. They are in and out of different hospitals and care facilities. Often several a day. They are more likely to be exposed than most people but unlike a retail worker, for example, if they are exposed they become an infection risk to many of our most vulnerable in multiple settings. They aren't frontline healthcare workers but they really should be prioritised in an early group.

Hmm. If the frontline workers are vaccinated, and these support workers aren't in patient locations... then wouldn't the frontline workers vaccinations act a blocker here? An IT worker should be able to distance \ mask etc to avoid any sustained close contacts.

If it's someone like a handyman who has to fix things in a ward, that's a different category and I think your categorisation applies.

josip · 26-02-2021 01:11PM

A lot of friends and relations (no underlying conditions) in their 40s got vaccinated this week with AZ (not Ireland).
It feels strange to hear them say, " oh, and I got vaccinated on Monday" as if it's not that big a deal.
It helps to be reminded of the quasi normality we are trying to return to.
If I can get the same in 4 months time I'll be delighted. (Not a criticism of the EU/Irish rollout, I genuinely will be very happy as it will make for a much nicer summer)

Fakediamond · 26-02-2021 01:31PM

Sconsey wrote: »

A lot of posts asking why certain prefessions are where they are in the rollout priority list. My take on the prioritisation, is there are four main groups (am ignoring key workers for vaccine rollout, it's too small a group):

First group = Healtcare workers, they are hugely exposed to the virus and without them the health service collapses

Second group = Elderly and medically vulnerable, it's about the likelhood of these people getting very sick if they contract Covid. The priority is not risk of exposure, it is risk of bad outcomes.

Third Group = People more likely to be exposed, this is the point where risk of exposure is considered.

Fourth Group = Everyone else

So for people asking about teachers or prison officers, they may be at a higher risk of exposure, but they are a lower risk of negative outcomes from the disease (compared to elderly or vulnerable), so they are not the current priority.

Hi, thanks for the response. I raised the query about prioritisation as I found out that anyone even remotely connected to the HSE in my area were given the AZ vaccine last week. Many of them, e.g. youth workers, CE scheme supervisors are in HSE funded projects, or even partially funded projects, and not dealing with medically vulnerable people, and not medically vulnerable themselves.

I got a partial answer to my question as to why this is happening this morning, which is that they are basically getting rid of the AZ vaccines that they can no longer give to the elderly. What puzzled me is that they are not offering it out to any other frontline workers, who interact with multiple members of the public every day, thereby risking the spread of the virus in the community. As I said in a previous post, many of those who got the vaccine are not interfacing with the public.

Telecaster58 · 26-02-2021 01:33PM

Loads of comment from various sources and guff being spouted by Donnelly ordering 10m vaccines, and it's all going to happen later in the year. The fact is they are not even meeting the simple targets they've set themselves. It really is quite simple. How many doses of vaccine have arrived in the country and how many have been dispensed? I have looked everywhere for this and can't find an answer anywhere.

Dressoutlet · 26-02-2021 01:37PM

Telecaster58 wrote: »

Loads of comment from various sources and guff being spouted by Donnelly ordering 10m vaccines, and it's all going to happen later in the year. The fact is they are not even meeting the simple targets they've set themselves. It really is quite simple. How many doses of vaccine have arrived in the country and how many have been dispensed? I have looked everywhere for this and can't find an answer anywhere.

There's a whole thread with all this information

Telecaster58 · 26-02-2021 01:39PM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

There's a whole thread with all this information

Where?

MerlinSouthDub · 26-02-2021 01:44PM

J&J vaccine expected to be approved by EMA on 11th March:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/j-j-shot-set-to-get-eu-nod-in-early-march-easing-supply-squeeze

leahyl · 26-02-2021 01:47PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

J&J vaccine expected to be approved by EMA on 11th March:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/j-j-shot-set-to-get-eu-nod-in-early-march-easing-supply-squeeze

Brilliant news - wonder how long before first doses will be administered here?

Pete_Cavan · 26-02-2021 01:50PM

Apogee wrote: »

12,766 administered on Tuesday - almost all first doses

So if Tuesdays rate is roughly replicated Wed - Fri, and we can get close to 10,000 done this weekend, we should be at 420,000 doses administered by Sunday night. Was there ever an official figure for how many would be given by the end of Feb?

I think the target is 1.1m by end of March, we would need to be averaging around 25k per week day, allowing for a drop off at the weekend.

Stark · 26-02-2021 01:50PM

leahyl wrote: »

Brilliant news - wonder how long before first doses will be administered here?

First scheduled delivery is early April afaik.

titan18 · 26-02-2021 01:54PM

My brother got his vaccine appointment for tomorrow (pharmacist) so they're going through those anyway atm.

NIMAN · 26-02-2021 01:55PM

What shocked me when I got my vaccine earlier in the week, is that the dose is only 0.3ml.

leahyl · 26-02-2021 02:11PM

Stark wrote: »

First scheduled delivery is early April afaik.

Oh right.....a bit late! Should they not be ready to ship as soon as approval is given?

funnydoggy · 26-02-2021 02:36PM

Update: He's getting his first vaccine dose on Thursday

Mammy rang him and he was crying on the phone. All will be well folks

funnydoggy wrote: »

Mother got a phone call today from the GP surgery. They were going through the vaccine stuff, and my granda's name came up as high priority for the shot. He would be second in the third cohort, but they said there are leftover vaccines and he's been cocooning since February last year on his own (recently widowed). They said they'll contact her within the next 2 weeks for his vaccine date.

Poor guy was bawling crying on the phone to my mom when she broke the news. He said he wants her to text immediately with a date because he wants to have his bath, put on nice clothes etc.

I'm so so so so happy. He's been dealing with depression since my nan died 3 years ago, and his lifeline was socialising with his friends in the pub. Of course it isn't possible yet, but he's on the road to it and he's delighted.

Happy days

Water John · 26-02-2021 02:40PM

NIMAN wrote: »

What shocked me when I got my vaccine earlier in the week, is that the dose is only 0.3ml.

Thought it was 1.3ml.

KrustyUCC · 26-02-2021 02:55PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

J&J vaccine expected to be approved by EMA on 11th March:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/j-j-shot-set-to-get-eu-nod-in-early-march-easing-supply-squeeze

Brilliant

The sooner they arrive the better

One dose is going to make a huge difference

No doubt McConkey and Co will try to talk down this vaccine too

Amirani · 26-02-2021 03:11PM

Caquas wrote: »

I now see that the number opposite Ireland’s bar in that chart actually refers to the number of vaccines distributed in Lithuania. My point remains, however - at 338k we have the lowest number of doses apart from the minnows. No basis for boasting.

Can't remember the last time I've encountered someone so bad at interpreting charts and basic data.

Generally a lot of misconceptions are based on people not seeing data or being fully informed, but you've had the data given to you and made a complete mess of it.

JTMan · 26-02-2021 03:12PM

The UK are breaking down the age groups further. 40-49, then 30-39 and finally 18-29. I assume Ireland will have to do something similar given that 16-64 is far too broad a final group.

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1365257760418516995

Stark · 26-02-2021 03:19PM

JTMan wrote: »

The UK are breaking down the age groups further. 40-49, then 30-39 and finally 18-29. I assume Ireland will have to do something similar given that 16-64 is far too broad a final group.

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1365257760418516995

Last group is 18-54 (55-64s go first). I was thinking by the time we get to that point, the program will be probably be ramped up to the point where it shouldn't make a huge difference tbh (most of the group will be done in a few weeks) so probably easier logistically just to distribute vaccines en masse to GPs and pharmacies and tell that group to make their own arrangements and first come first served.

Van.Bosch · 26-02-2021 03:33PM

Stark wrote: »

Last group is 18-54 (55-64s go first). I was thinking by the time we get to that point, the program will be probably be ramped up to the point where it shouldn't make a huge difference tbh (most of the group will be done in a few weeks) so probably easier logistically just to distribute vaccines en masse to GPs and pharmacies and tell that group to make their own arrangements and first come first served.

I would have thought at that point logistically, forget GP’s and pharmacies and just do 10,000s a day at the MVC’s.

plodder · 26-02-2021 03:37PM

Covid-19 Live Updates: Single Pfizer Dose Strongly Protects Those Who’ve Had the Virus, Studies Find

I seem to remember the AZ vaccine had a similar effect (or at least the antibody levels were hugely increased). Is it worth considering delaying the second shot for anyone who had the virus? Arguably, the first dose is a lot like the second one for anyone who wasn't infected.

JTMan · 26-02-2021 03:41PM

Stark wrote: »

Last group is 18-54 (55-64s go first). I was thinking by the time we get to that point, the program will be probably be ramped up to the point where it shouldn't make a huge difference tbh (most of the group will be done in a few weeks) so probably easier logistically just to distribute vaccines en masse to GPs and pharmacies and tell that group to make their own arrangements and first come first served.

Ah, okay, 54 is the cap (it's 16+, rather than 18+ according to several reports). Whilst I realise we will get to a point where prioritisation will not be needed, 16-54 seems like way to big a group to be doing in 1 go. Also, the risk to those aged 40+ is significantly higher than those aged 16-39 so prioritisation of 40-54 makes sense to me, at least for a the first couple of weeks.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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