Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all, we have some important news to share. Please follow the link here to find out more!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058419143/important-news/p1?new=1

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

16566687071328

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,014 ✭✭✭plodder


    ypres5 wrote: »
    just wondering if the vaccines can be stored in a normal freezer does that mean that in hindsight doses were thrown out that shouldn't have been? not blaming anyone but it's a shame looking back if that's the case
    Not necessarily. Even with the new guidelines, they can only be out of the freezer for a limited time and it's more likely that it was the refrigerated or room-temperature limitations that were breached.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Caquas wrote: »
    No cause for claiming to be doing “exceptionally well” then.

    Especially if the chart omits our nearest neighbour who is doing far better on vaccine rollout. by any measure.

    They are not doing better on Rollout, rather procurement. We have rolled out virtually everything we have


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Caquas wrote: »
    No cause for claiming to be doing “exceptionally well” then.

    Especially if the chart omits our nearest neighbour who is doing far better on vaccine rollout. by any measure.
    Sure the UK are, but Ireland's done better than most of the world, including Europe, by any measure. Have a look at the actual data: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
    The last available date for data for Ireland is the 21st. At that point, we're 24rd the world for vaccinating people per 100k (and that's the figure that counts - not absolute amounts).

    But peering down further, if you look at those who have received a double dose, we're in the Top 10 and the UK is much further down the list. We're taking the current recommended approach here.

    And as raind mentioned, per that chart, Ireland is getting the vaccines out as fast as possible, which is noteworthy when we're also managing a high level on the second dosing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    A lot of posts asking why certain prefessions are where they are in the rollout priority list. My take on the prioritisation, is there are four main groups (am ignoring key workers for vaccine rollout, it's too small a group):

    First group = Healtcare workers, they are hugely exposed to the virus and without them the health service collapses

    Second group = Elderly and medically vulnerable, it's about the likelhood of these people getting very sick if they contract Covid. The priority is not risk of exposure, it is risk of bad outcomes.

    Third Group = People more likely to be exposed, this is the point where risk of exposure is considered.

    Fourth Group = Everyone else

    So for people asking about teachers or prison officers, they may be at a higher risk of exposure, but they are a lower risk of negative outcomes from the disease (compared to elderly or vulnerable), so they are not the current priority.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭ceegee


    Increase of 13721.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    12,766 administered on Tuesday - almost all first doses

    545004.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Mark1916




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Sconsey wrote: »
    Third Group = People more likely to be exposed, this is the point where risk of exposure is considered.

    I think there is maybe a group before this. People who are more likely to be exposed and spread the virus to the vulnerable. Say for example someone maintaining IT systems or utility services for the HSE. They are in and out of different hospitals and care facilities. Often several a day. They are more likely to be exposed than most people but unlike a retail worker, for example, if they are exposed they become an infection risk to many of our most vulnerable in multiple settings. They aren't frontline healthcare workers but they really should be prioritised in an early group.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,613 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    iguana wrote: »
    I think there is maybe a group before this. People who are more likely to be exposed and spread the virus to the vulnerable. Say for example someone maintaining IT systems or utility services for the HSE. They are in and out of different hospitals and care facilities. Often several a day. They are more likely to be exposed than most people but unlike a retail worker, for example, if they are exposed they become an infection risk to many of our most vulnerable in multiple settings. They aren't frontline healthcare workers but they really should be prioritised in an early group.

    Hmm. If the frontline workers are vaccinated, and these support workers aren't in patient locations... then wouldn't the frontline workers vaccinations act a blocker here? An IT worker should be able to distance \ mask etc to avoid any sustained close contacts.

    If it's someone like a handyman who has to fix things in a ward, that's a different category and I think your categorisation applies.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭josip


    A lot of friends and relations (no underlying conditions) in their 40s got vaccinated this week with AZ (not Ireland).
    It feels strange to hear them say, " oh, and I got vaccinated on Monday" as if it's not that big a deal.
    It helps to be reminded of the quasi normality we are trying to return to.
    If I can get the same in 4 months time I'll be delighted. (Not a criticism of the EU/Irish rollout, I genuinely will be very happy as it will make for a much nicer summer)


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    Sconsey wrote: »
    A lot of posts asking why certain prefessions are where they are in the rollout priority list. My take on the prioritisation, is there are four main groups (am ignoring key workers for vaccine rollout, it's too small a group):

    First group = Healtcare workers, they are hugely exposed to the virus and without them the health service collapses

    Second group = Elderly and medically vulnerable, it's about the likelhood of these people getting very sick if they contract Covid. The priority is not risk of exposure, it is risk of bad outcomes.

    Third Group = People more likely to be exposed, this is the point where risk of exposure is considered.

    Fourth Group = Everyone else

    So for people asking about teachers or prison officers, they may be at a higher risk of exposure, but they are a lower risk of negative outcomes from the disease (compared to elderly or vulnerable), so they are not the current priority.
    Hi, thanks for the response. I raised the query about prioritisation as I found out that anyone even remotely connected to the HSE in my area were given the AZ vaccine last week. Many of them, e.g. youth workers, CE scheme supervisors are in HSE funded projects, or even partially funded projects, and not dealing with medically vulnerable people, and not medically vulnerable themselves.

    I got a partial answer to my question as to why this is happening this morning, which is that they are basically getting rid of the AZ vaccines that they can no longer give to the elderly. What puzzled me is that they are not offering it out to any other frontline workers, who interact with multiple members of the public every day, thereby risking the spread of the virus in the community. As I said in a previous post, many of those who got the vaccine are not interfacing with the public.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Telecaster58


    Loads of comment from various sources and guff being spouted by Donnelly ordering 10m vaccines, and it's all going to happen later in the year. The fact is they are not even meeting the simple targets they've set themselves. It really is quite simple. How many doses of vaccine have arrived in the country and how many have been dispensed? I have looked everywhere for this and can't find an answer anywhere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    Loads of comment from various sources and guff being spouted by Donnelly ordering 10m vaccines, and it's all going to happen later in the year. The fact is they are not even meeting the simple targets they've set themselves. It really is quite simple. How many doses of vaccine have arrived in the country and how many have been dispensed? I have looked everywhere for this and can't find an answer anywhere.
    There's a whole thread with all this information


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Telecaster58


    There's a whole thread with all this information

    Where?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,439 ✭✭✭✭leahyl



    Brilliant news - wonder how long before first doses will be administered here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,437 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Apogee wrote: »
    12,766 administered on Tuesday - almost all first doses

    545004.jpg

    So if Tuesdays rate is roughly replicated Wed - Fri, and we can get close to 10,000 done this weekend, we should be at 420,000 doses administered by Sunday night. Was there ever an official figure for how many would be given by the end of Feb?

    I think the target is 1.1m by end of March, we would need to be averaging around 25k per week day, allowing for a drop off at the weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,208 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    leahyl wrote: »
    Brilliant news - wonder how long before first doses will be administered here?

    First scheduled delivery is early April afaik.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    My brother got his vaccine appointment for tomorrow (pharmacist) so they're going through those anyway atm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,512 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    What shocked me when I got my vaccine earlier in the week, is that the dose is only 0.3ml.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,439 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    Stark wrote: »
    First scheduled delivery is early April afaik.

    Oh right.....a bit late! Should they not be ready to ship as soon as approval is given?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Update: He's getting his first vaccine dose on Thursday :D Mammy rang him and he was crying on the phone. All will be well folks :)





    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Mother got a phone call today from the GP surgery. They were going through the vaccine stuff, and my granda's name came up as high priority for the shot. He would be second in the third cohort, but they said there are leftover vaccines and he's been cocooning since February last year on his own (recently widowed). They said they'll contact her within the next 2 weeks for his vaccine date.


    Poor guy was bawling crying on the phone to my mom when she broke the news. He said he wants her to text immediately with a date because he wants to have his bath, put on nice clothes etc.

    I'm so so so so happy. He's been dealing with depression since my nan died 3 years ago, and his lifeline was socialising with his friends in the pub. Of course it isn't possible yet, but he's on the road to it and he's delighted.

    Happy days :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    NIMAN wrote: »
    What shocked me when I got my vaccine earlier in the week, is that the dose is only 0.3ml.

    Thought it was 1.3ml.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,092 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC



    Brilliant

    The sooner they arrive the better

    One dose is going to make a huge difference

    No doubt McConkey and Co will try to talk down this vaccine too


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Caquas wrote: »
    I now see that the number opposite Ireland’s bar in that chart actually refers to the number of vaccines distributed in Lithuania. My point remains, however - at 338k we have the lowest number of doses apart from the minnows. No basis for boasting.

    Can't remember the last time I've encountered someone so bad at interpreting charts and basic data.

    Generally a lot of misconceptions are based on people not seeing data or being fully informed, but you've had the data given to you and made a complete mess of it. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    The UK are breaking down the age groups further. 40-49, then 30-39 and finally 18-29. I assume Ireland will have to do something similar given that 16-64 is far too broad a final group.

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1365257760418516995


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,208 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    JTMan wrote: »
    The UK are breaking down the age groups further. 40-49, then 30-39 and finally 18-29. I assume Ireland will have to do something similar given that 16-64 is far too broad a final group.

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1365257760418516995

    Last group is 18-54 (55-64s go first). I was thinking by the time we get to that point, the program will be probably be ramped up to the point where it shouldn't make a huge difference tbh (most of the group will be done in a few weeks) so probably easier logistically just to distribute vaccines en masse to GPs and pharmacies and tell that group to make their own arrangements and first come first served.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Stark wrote: »
    Last group is 18-54 (55-64s go first). I was thinking by the time we get to that point, the program will be probably be ramped up to the point where it shouldn't make a huge difference tbh (most of the group will be done in a few weeks) so probably easier logistically just to distribute vaccines en masse to GPs and pharmacies and tell that group to make their own arrangements and first come first served.

    I would have thought at that point logistically, forget GP’s and pharmacies and just do 10,000s a day at the MVC’s.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,014 ✭✭✭plodder


    Covid-19 Live Updates: Single Pfizer Dose Strongly Protects Those Who’ve Had the Virus, Studies Find

    I seem to remember the AZ vaccine had a similar effect (or at least the antibody levels were hugely increased). Is it worth considering delaying the second shot for anyone who had the virus? Arguably, the first dose is a lot like the second one for anyone who wasn't infected.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Stark wrote: »
    Last group is 18-54 (55-64s go first). I was thinking by the time we get to that point, the program will be probably be ramped up to the point where it shouldn't make a huge difference tbh (most of the group will be done in a few weeks) so probably easier logistically just to distribute vaccines en masse to GPs and pharmacies and tell that group to make their own arrangements and first come first served.

    Ah, okay, 54 is the cap (it's 16+, rather than 18+ according to several reports). Whilst I realise we will get to a point where prioritisation will not be needed, 16-54 seems like way to big a group to be doing in 1 go. Also, the risk to those aged 40+ is significantly higher than those aged 16-39 so prioritisation of 40-54 makes sense to me, at least for a the first couple of weeks.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement