COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Le Bruise

Sanjuro wrote: »

It's funny... or maybe not funny... a bit depressing. That when I see a bunch of good news, I sometimes find myself looking for bad news. I guess that's down to a bit of conditioning over the last 12 months. But it's good to say that I'm increasingly finding it difficult to find the bad news!

Almost like Stockholm Syndrome!

Apogee

Gael23 wrote: »

Reid’s positivity swiftly counteracted by NPHET https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/some-time-before-normal-life-resumes-situation-remains-fragile-warns-nphet-1087393.html?fbclid=IwAR2vK3bObdHTZLQ3iEwOgy_82JTkoyFeb3vOYZEv7TInbAqWDygz8hVsXvo

The HSE CCO, Dr Colm Henry, who is a member of NPHET, was quite upbeat about the impact of vaccines at today's HSE briefing, including their effect on reducing transmission. He referenced the data coming out of Israel several times.

seefin

This has probably beem explained here already but cam someone answer. If my vulnerable mother has vaccine(2 shots) is she 100% guaranteed not to get serious covid or is there still a slight risk ? And should she still be somewhat cautious until herd immunity has beem reached ( hopefully by end of summer)

Turtwig

seefin wrote: »

This has probably beem explained here already but cam someone answer. If my vulnerable mother has vaccine(2 shots) is she 100% guaranteed not to get serious covid or is there still a slight risk ? And should she still be somewhat cautious until herd immunity has beem reached ( hopefully by end of summer)

Nobody can answer this specifically for your mother. She's need to talk to her GP or consultant.

If someone has got two doses of the MRNA vaccine they have been given the best protection possible and should have significantly reduced their chances of getting severe covid. Herd immunity would only really benefit them if the vaccine didn't provide the appropriate immune response.

Regardless they should continue to be cautious keeping in mind that others similarly vulnerable to them would not have got the vaccine yet. Those people are protected by the collective social "vaccines" of hand hygiene, masks and social distancing.

leahyl

I know somebody getting vaccinated next week and they are 83 - already nearly finished with over 85s in a few places?

is_that_so

The AZ acceptance problems are getting worse in the EU.

Four out of five of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine doses delivered to EU countries are yet to be used on a patient

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/acceptance-problem-as-most-oxford-covid-jabs-delivered-to-eu-not-yet-used

NufcNavan

leahyl wrote: »

I know somebody getting vaccinated next week and they are 83 - already nearly finished with over 85s in a few places?

My grand aunt is 92 and still doesn't have an appointment.

seefin

Turtwig wrote: »

If someone has got two doses of the MRNA vaccine they have been given the best protection possible and should have significantly reduced their chances of getting severe covid. Herd immunity would only really benefit them if the vaccine didn't provide the appropriate immune response

Thanks. Do they know what percent of people don't have sufficient immune response to prevent serious disease or long covid. Is it just a tiny tiny percentage of people ,or don't we really know yet? Is that the 5% (based on 95% efficacy).I get that for the country and hospitalisations, this is good . But for the individual , then( regardless of government eating restrictions following a certain % of population having been vaccinated,) they still have to make a choice as to what level of risk they want to take as no certainly that their immune response was sufficient? Embarrassed to say that I haven't really been following the whole vaccines thing so unclear what efficacy actually means on an individual level

ACitizenErased

Prof Nolan confirms we are already seeing the impact of vaccinations on figures

josip

The Guardian has an article about AZ having an acceptance problem in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/acceptance-problem-as-most-oxford-covid-jabs-delivered-to-eu-not-yet-used
In it they show that in Bulgaria they have received 117,000 doses and administered 2,000.

But Reuters report the Bulgarian Health Minister complaining about a shortfall in AZ deliveries.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-bulgaria-astrazene-idUSKBN2AO2TP
Who to believe, the Bulgarians, the Guardians or the Astra Zenicans?

Bubbaclaus

leahyl wrote: »

I know somebody getting vaccinated next week and they are 83 - already nearly finished with over 85s in a few places?

Most GPs are doing their over 85s in the one day, the day after their delivery of vaccine. 2 weeks later then they will do their 80-84 in one day also.

is_that_so

NufcNavan wrote: »

My grand aunt is 92 and still doesn't have an appointment.

There have been some supply issues with GPs, especially rural ones.

muddypuppy

hmmm wrote: »

We're being a bit unfair? I'm sure he reads the same media reports, but he can't be announcing on national TV that things are looking good until the scientists have had a chance to study the data.

To be fair something like "preliminary reports indicates that the vaccine provide good level of protection, but we still need to wait for the all the studies to be completed before we can be certain of the level of protection and if it's the same across all the population" would transmit the same message, make it clear that we are still investigating it, but would give a bit more hope.

ACitizenErased

Fairly incredible drop in cases in long term residential care

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1364999496984236032?s=21

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1364999703356706817?s=21

Cork2021

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1364999703356706817?s=21

Imagine what it’ll be like come Paddy’s day.. we’re looking at very few in hospitals!

Sanjuro

Quick question. I was talking to my mother. Her sister works as a nurse in a mental health hospital. Got her vaccine yesterday. My mam says her sister was told its unlikely she'll need a second dose. She's 63, good health. I'm sure my mam is getting her wires crossed. But is it possible there's some truth to this?

JacksonHeightsOwn

Sanjuro wrote: »

Quick question. I was talking to my mother. Her sister works as a nurse in a mental health hospital. Got her vaccine yesterday. My mam says her sister was told its unlikely she'll need a second dose. She's 63, good health. I'm sure my mam is getting her wires crossed. But is it possible there's some truth to this?

Your mother is getting her wires crossed

Sanjuro

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Your mother is getting her wires crossed

Yeah, I would reckon so. Haven't heard anything like that happening before.

steddyeddy

Some people in the UK are saying the first dose is far more effective than previously imagined. That's maybe what she's referring to?

Steve F

The 20% Unvaccinated by end of June?
Who will they be?
Genuine question
57 year old here wondering when I'll get my jab

Marhay70

Luke O'Neill suggested this morning that some of the current vaccines may become one shot vaccines in time. I assumed he meant when more tweaking has been done but maybe not.

astrofool

Marhay70 wrote: »

Luke O'Neill suggested this morning that some of the current vaccines may become one shot vaccines in time. I assumed he meant when more tweaking has been done but maybe not.

Over time (depending on how endemic SARS-COV2 becomes), it will likely be rolled into the annual flu vaccine.

We may end up getting better data on dosage volume and dosing schedules to enable the current vaccines to work as a 1 shot as well, but likely as a tweaked version to handle the most common variants. I'd imagine all that has been produced so far will be used as directed and approved (barring the UK).

Sanjuro

Marhay70 wrote: »

Luke O'Neill suggested this morning that some of the current vaccines may become one shot vaccines in time. I assumed he meant when more tweaking has been done but maybe not.

This might actually be the key to what my mam meant. She's a Luke O'Neil fan... woman. So she may have just gotten it all mixed up.

Water John

Cork2021 wrote: »

Imagine what it’ll be like come Paddy’s day.. we’re looking at very few in hospitals!

Not quite, half the hospitalizations are under 70. Hopefully most of these recover. Great to see the over 70s are going to be safe.

titan18

Steve F wrote: »

The 20% Unvaccinated by end of June?
Who will they be?
Genuine question
57 year old here wondering when I'll get my jab

Probably be a certain percentage who'll refuse, then likely could have pregnant people or people trying to get pregnant. I'd say people in more rural areas will find it harder too

Le Bruise

Steve F wrote: »

The 20% Unvaccinated by end of June?
Who will they be?
Genuine question
57 year old here wondering when I'll get my jab

Mostly the adults who can’t/don’t want to be vaccinated and those under 16 I would think. Should have enough supply for the remainder to have at least one dose by then.

harr

As mentioned above some 80 + year olds booked in for next week. My mother in law and my aunt both booked In for Monday as both with same GP who has now finished with his over 85s .. another aunt 86 hasn’t even been called by her GP yet so seems big differences between GPs and probably also depends on the number of patients a GP has to get done.

embraer170

Ireland is doing exceptionally well on the vaccine roll out. See the attached image from an FT article today. Google "EU vaccine woes shift from supply squeeze to rollout" to read the story.

hmmm

embraer170 wrote: »

Ireland is doing exceptionally well on the vaccine roll out. See the attached image from an FT article today. Google "EU vaccine woes shift from supply squeeze to rollout" to read the story.

Interesting, surprised at how poor some of the smaller countries have been. Of the bigger countries Spain stands out, and they'll be anxious to open their tourist economy. I'd say vaccination passports all round for Spain and we'll see you on the beach.

Poland also is a surprise - I get the impression talking to some Polish co-workers that there was a lot of Covid-denial, I'm surprised to see them doing so well on vaccinations.