COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Caquas

eoinbn wrote: »

The chart isn't hard to read....

The chart highlights the percentage of supplies actually used.

I care about the number of doses administered. By that measure we are doing badly.

Which do you think really matters?

ACitizenErased

The US have approved storage of the Pfizer vaccine at normal freezer temperature

Caquas

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Your numbers are wrong. Up to Monday, we had administered 360,000 doses. Up to today, it's probably close to 400,000.

Not my numbers, just quoting from a chart which Embraer posted to claim we are doing very well. I pointed out what really matters - the number of doses administered- and we are doing badly. No doubt our number went up in the meantime. Have we caught up with Denmark?

ACitizenErased

Caquas wrote: »

Not my numbers, just quoting from a chart which Embraer posted to claim we are doing very well. I pointed out what really matters - the number of doses administered- and we are doing badly.

You've completely misread the chart. Look at it again.

Apogee

Steve F wrote: »

The 20% Unvaccinated by end of June?
Who will they be?
Genuine question
57 year old here wondering when I'll get my jab

All going as planned, as someone in the 55-64 bracket, you may well have got both doses by the end of June.

Le Bruise wrote: »

Mostly the adults who can’t/don’t want to be vaccinated and those under 16 I would think. Should have enough supply for the remainder to have at least one dose by then.

They aren't including the under 18s in their calculations. The 20% would include the remaining chunk of those in the 18-54 bracket who won't receive a first dose until July.

Caquas

Caquas wrote: »

We're not doing OK - we're doing very badly on the roll-out of vaccines, but statistics are a wonderful thing.

We have the lowest number of doses administered in the EU (apart from the minnows like Lux. and Estonia). Look at Denmark, their population is just 20% larger but they have administered four times as many doses (176K. v. 552K.). If we were like the Danes, we would have vaccinated almost half a million by now. Instead, we will be at level 5 for another six weeks and who know how long more?

Is is no consolation to be told that our problem is we have not received sufficient doses. Who is responsible for that SNAFU? Why did other countries, including those with comparable populations get so much more?

What the f*ck you talkin about

noplacehere

Apogee wrote: »

All going as planned, as someone in the 55-64 bracket, you may well have got both doses by the end of June.



They aren't including the under 18s in their calculations. The 20% would include the remaining chunk of those in the 18-54 bracket who won't receive a first dose until July.

Is my reading of that that

noplacehere

Apogee wrote: »

All going as planned, as someone in the 55-64 bracket, you may well have got both doses by the end of June.



They aren't including the under 18s in their calculations. The 20% would include the remaining chunk of those in the 18-54 bracket who won't receive a first dose until July.

Is my reading of that correct, if you are a high risk group 4 you are looking at being done by the end of April?

Apogee

noplacehere wrote: »

Is my reading of that correct, if you are a high risk group 4 you are looking at being done by the end of April?

That table is based on a bunch of assumptions (e.g. the exact size of each cohort) and dependent on supply of vaccines. The percentages in bold are based on numbers quoted by Government.

So with all those provisos in mind, someone in group 4 should have received a first dose by end of April, and possibly a second dose by May.

Mark1916

https://twitter.com/afp/status/1365056292629413893?s=21

JoChervil

Apogee wrote: »

All going as planned, as someone in the 55-64 bracket, you may well have got both doses by the end of June.



They aren't including the under 18s in their calculations. The 20% would include the remaining chunk of those in the 18-54 bracket who won't receive a first dose until July.

I wonder, why high risk 65-69 are somehow omitted? I am not in this group. Just asking out of curiosity.

Apogee

JoChervil wrote: »

I wonder, why high risk 65-69 are somehow omitted? I am not in this group. Just asking out of curiosity.

Because they weren't differentiated as a separate group in the Sunday Business Post cohort estimates from which I drew the numbers. They'll most likely be incorporated in one of the other categories. The table is meant as an approximate guide.

Fakediamond

I heard today about a HSE Region, where all HSE workers and HSE funded project workers in substance misuse services, have all received their first vaccines, some of them work from home full-time. Could that be right?

Before someone says it’s a myth, I know one of the workers and she is in a funded project, and works entirely from home. She thought it was a mistake when first contacted, but received a follow up call, telling her to put her name down. She says got her first dose last week.

Wolf359f

Fakediamond wrote: »

I heard today about a HSE Region, where all HSE workers and HSE funded project workers in substance misuse services, have all received their first vaccines, some of them work from home full-time. Could that be right?

Before someone says it’s a myth, I know one of the workers and she is in a funded project, and works entirely from home. She thought it was a mistake when first contacted, but received a follow up call, telling her to put her name down. She says got her first dose last week.

It's reasonable to assume the HSE want's eventually to get all/most staff back working in the office. It's easier if they have them all vaccinated within the same time-frame. As they are not fully vaccinated until their second dose, it would be extremely messy juggling the return to work for those working from home if some haven't been vaccinated, some have their first dose only and some with AZ need 12 weeks etc...

Seems like it would be a logistical nightmare if you're trying to reopen a clinic say, and all but the managers and supervisors have been fully vaccinated etc..

KrustyUCC

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The US have approved storage of the Pfizer vaccine at normal freezer temperature

Would be brilliant if the EMA can do the same here asap

That would sort out a lot of logistical issues

Fakediamond

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's reasonable to assume the HSE want's eventually to get all/most staff back working in the office. It's easier if they have them all vaccinated within the same time-frame. As they are not fully vaccinated until their second dose, it would be extremely messy juggling the return to work for those working from home if some haven't been vaccinated, some have their first dose only and some with AZ need 12 weeks etc...

Seems like it would be a logistical nightmare if you're trying to reopen a clinic say, and all but the managers and supervisors have been fully vaccinated etc..

Youth workers were done too. Yet Gardai, prison officers etc are not done yet. Seems a little skewed as those workers are up close and interacting with chaotic members of the public every day. It’s like the HSE are looking after all of their own first, rather than adhering to the government guidelines. At the very least, they are using a liberal interpretation of the categories.

Van.Bosch

Fakediamond wrote: »

Youth workers were done too. Yet Gardai, prison officers etc are not done yet. Seems a little skewed as those workers are up close and interacting with chaotic members of the public every day. It’s like the HSE are looking after all of their own first, rather than adhering to the government guidelines. At the very least, they are using a liberal interpretation of the categories.

Now we know why group 2 is so big and keeps growing.

Wolf359f

Fakediamond wrote: »

Youth workers were done too. Yet Gardai, prison officers etc are not done yet. Seems a little skewed as those workers are up close and interacting with chaotic members of the public every day. It’s like the HSE are looking after all of their own first, rather than adhering to the government guidelines. At the very least, they are using a liberal interpretation of the categories.

Well especially the Gardai, it's not like there's hundreds of thousands of them!
It would be very easy to do them all over a weekend. But then you need the prison officers, then of course the Fire Brigade, teachers would want to be next.
It then starts snowballing, especially if the unions get involved.

I'm curious as to when will they start vaccinating the prison population, I can't imagine that will go over too well with the public!

Water John

AFAIK the outbreaks in prisons was kept low as they had experience in limiting TB.

Turtwig

I'd imagine some prisoners would be in the various age and risk group's?

lbj666

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Would be brilliant if the EMA can do the same here asap

That would sort out a lot of logistical issues

the 6th dose thing got approved fairly quickly, although from a QA process point of view this one might be a bit more complex to review.

ypres5

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Would be brilliant if the EMA can do the same here asap

That would sort out a lot of logistical issues

just wondering if the vaccines can be stored in a normal freezer does that mean that in hindsight doses were thrown out that shouldn't have been? not blaming anyone but it's a shame looking back if that's the case

Fakediamond

Wolf359f wrote: »

Well especially the Gardai, it's not like there's hundreds of thousands of them!
It would be very easy to do them all over a weekend. But then you need the prison officers, then of course the Fire Brigade, teachers would want to be next.
It then starts snowballing, especially if the unions get involved.

I'm curious as to when will they start vaccinating the prison population, I can't imagine that will go over too well with the public!

Teachers are very low on the priority list and yet they will be interacting with large groups very shortly. It makes no sense to me.

Caquas

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You've completely misread the chart. Look at it again.

I now see that the number opposite Ireland’s bar in that chart actually refers to the number of vaccines distributed in Lithuania. My point remains, however - at 338k we have the lowest number of doses apart from the minnows. No basis for boasting.

Goldengirl

All of those workers Gardai etc are not meant to be done until essential workers .
Healthcare workers, non patient facing, are the HSE groups being done as discussed in the above post .
And yes it doesn't make sense to vaccinate a group of staff in HSE and not vaccinate those working from home .
How else are the HSE to get back to normal?
Isn't that the point of healthcare being vaccinated earlier ?
HSE looking after themselves , ffs :pac:

ACitizenErased

Caquas wrote: »

I now see that the number opposite Ireland’s bar in that chart actually refers to the number of vaccines distributed in Lithuania. My point remains, however - at 338k we have the lowest number of doses apart from the minnows. No basis for boasting.

Uhhhh you realise that it is the exact same amount as others based on population

Goldengirl

Fakediamond wrote: »

Teachers are very low on the priority list and yet they will be interacting with large groups very shortly. It makes no sense to me.

Yes they will be down the list with other essential workers who also have lots of contact .
SNAs should be done before them as more contact .

Fakediamond

Goldengirl wrote: »

All of those workers Gardai etc are not meant to be done until essential workers .
Healthcare workers, non patient facing, are the HSE groups being done as discussed in the above post .
And yes it doesn't make sense to vaccinate a group of staff in HSE and not vaccinate those working from home .
How else are the HSE to get back to normal?
Isn't that the point of healthcare being vaccinated earlier ?
HSE looking after themselves , ffs :pac:

Hi, I’m talking about HSE funded projects, and youth workers. Are they considered core healthcare workers? I’m just trying to understand the rationale behind the system of prioritisation really. I can’t get my head around a youth worker being vaccinated before say, someone with cystic fibrosis, or teachers, SNA’s, prison officers etc, who all deal with large, diverse groups every day.

Le Bruise

Caquas wrote: »

I now see that the number opposite Ireland’s bar in that chart actually refers to the number of vaccines distributed in Lithuania. My point remains, however - at 338k we have the lowest number of doses apart from the minnows. No basis for boasting.

Stop digging

Caquas

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Uhhhh you realise that it is the exact same amount as others based on population

No cause for claiming to be doing “exceptionally well” then.

Especially if the chart omits our nearest neighbour who is doing far better on vaccine rollout. by any measure.