O'Leary Throws Down The Gauntlet To NPHET

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Nope sorry. Read the stats.....when I last check it the average age of death in Ireland was 84 and that is from the CSO not some mad 5g page.

Have young people died yes, is it a tragedy yes. Do young people die from a multitude of different health issues yes. Is dieing from Covid a significant risk, nope not for a young person (and I mean anyone under 65) . Is life risk free, no but from every piece of data I have seen, anyone in modest health under 65 (and most certainly under Mick O'Leary's 50 year old yardstick) I can't see how anyone can consider this a risk worth even thinking about let alone closing a country down for.

So, is mortality the only metric to measure?
Do we ignore the cases that are severe enough to need hospitalisation, entry to ICU?
Do we ignore long recovery times? Do we ignore the ongoing symptoms that have been long documented? Are these things not to be considered?

Deleted User wrote: »

But if he is in line to profit from vaccines (honestly,i dunno?),his neutrality on subject matter is wideopen for questioning

Are people honestly suggesting that he will go on TV and radio, argue for a change in health guidelines which he knows will result in more people getting infected, then return to his lab, design, test and rollout his own vaccine in super quick time, of which he currently doesn't have, and then profit to the tune of 1 million dollars because of the extra disease he encouraged?

People are going stir crazy.

Hurrache wrote: »

Are people honestly suggesting that he will go on TV and radio, argue for a change in health guidelines which he knows will result in more people getting infected, then return to his lab, design, test and rollout his own vaccine in super quick time, of which he currently doesn't have, and then profit to the tune of 1 million dollars because of the extra disease he encouraged?

People are going stir crazy.

You have the Covid blinkers on, mate. Michael O Leary and Luke O Neill are businessmen and will go on the media to promote (directly or indirectly) their interests.

trixi001 wrote: »

We should look at the vested interests of everyone calling for everything to stay closed too then - anyone who remains on full pay and is WFH (and wants to remain WFH), has a vested interest in things staying this way, anyone on TWISS/PUP etc who is happy with their income for no work has a vested interest.

Anyone who has family in pharm, mask manufacture, IT Remote solutions and lots of other industries has a vested interest.

The government has a vested interest in getting re-elected.

I have said all along, if we have NPHET, we should also have experts in the economy, environment, sociology etc. A Public heath emergency is not all about health, the response team should include a range of experts, and the government take recommendations from all experts, not simply take advice from health experts and ignore everyone else!

public health is about public health, that is why it is called public health.
the government have access to experts from multiple fields on multiple issues independantly of nphet, and realistically those experts are not in any way experts in public health and covid, hence having them as part of the response team would be unviable.
taking their input separately to the medical experts and following the public health advice which is ultimately more important, is the best way for this to work, given it is a public health issue we are dealing with, all be it one which will cause damage outside health issues.

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Since the first data on Covid came out (and it hasn't changed since) if has been clear that it is a significant risk to the very elderly, infirm and some with significant underlying conditions. We have failed utterly to keep Covid out of nursing homes, hospital acquired infection is rampant so we have not even begun to do our best to protect the small percentage of the population at significant risk to Covid. The health system is no closer to collapse this year than any year and if it was that big a deal why are we not tooling up extra ICU beds in huge numbers etc etc.

And to protect a health system we sacrifice the very economy and livelihoods which fund it in the future. The long term financial constraints and debt from this saga will do real damage to the health system. Just have a look at what happened after the 2008 crash......

the health system has come very close to being overwhelmed at least in this particular serge, the reason it hasn't come close to collapse is because we acted quickly and implemented public health measures.
tooling up extra ICU beds in huge numbers takes a serious amount of time and then they have to be staffed and equipped, you can't simply magic it up over night, and realistically then there is the case of what happens to those beds once covid is no longer a problem, you cannot keep beds and staff which will end up disused 99% of the time.
to protect the country and the main parts of the economy, we shut on a temporary basis, the non-essential parts of the economy which are the minor contributers, in turn focusing on keeping open and protecting the major contributers which keep the whole show on the road on a basic level.

seamus wrote: »

O'Leary is a gobsh1te and has been a complete disgrace since the start of this thing.

All he cares about is shareholder returns for Ryanair. That's all he's doing. Same as Ryanair's big whinge back in April 2020 that they would be flying except that Governments won't let them. They don't give a single fvck about the safety of their passengers or crew, it's all about the money.

O'Leary's rant today is about as insightful as every other moron on boards and facebook claiming that there's some ulterior motive to what NPHET is doing and that lockdowns are ineffective.

He's got his headlines now, but really he's just pissed off because Ryanair are going to post a loss. He's a cock.

100%

Nail on the head.

Bang on the money.

O' Leary is the epitome of a businessman trying solely to look after his own interests, which he's entitled to do, but people should really apply some critical thinking to what he's actually saying - it is rubbish.

But then again if you can't instantly see it for the pure self serving nonsense that it clearly is, then maybe your powers of analysis aren't too hot to begin with.

Still, a huge cohort out there taken in by his nonsense. Well, a cohort, with an outsized presence online and on boards in particular.

You would think that we might have at least a few journalists in Ireland who might ask Holohan et al a question like that but they never do. It's quite embarrassing the lame arsed MSM we have in this country, spineless goons for the most part.

Deleted User wrote: »

O'Leary is an acquired taste but it's about time someone of his stature took a crack at NPHET, the fawning media narrative to this point has been vomit-inducing. They need to be challenged, and reminded that they are not untouchable. These restrictions are in no way sustainable economically, when you consider that half a million jobs have been chopped for the sake of protecting <0.1% of the population. Something has got to give, sooner rather than later. Michael's criticism this morning will provide consolation to many, and perhaps galvanise more to speak out against the current system which is the opposite of egalitarian. The burden isn't shared equally, if it was NPHET and the Government would take a voluntary paycut in solidarity. "We're all in this together" is total codology.

If only there were a group higher up then Nphet whose job it is to take everything in to account and then take decisions. I wonder who that could be. They be laughing away at getting away and blaming everything on 1 group. Of course we eat it up

I do chuckle at some of the reactions here and on twitter.

The funniest are the "when all this is over ill never fly Ryanair again" blah blah blah.

I mean ffs some people really do treat NPHET etc as some sort of cult and to speak out against them is akin to the worst offence known to man, so disgraceful to be never worthy of my business again :rolleyes:

O Leary is stirring but hes right on one thing, we need some bloody optimism and thats as much on RTE etc as it is on NPHET who in fairness are just doing a job.

Augeo wrote: »

Restaurants opened up in Dec and we all went socialising and shopping.......... went from 200 cases/day to 7000 cases a day. You'd want to be some th1ck fnck to not realise lockdowns are unfortunately a must until we are mostly vaccinated.

It's not just Ireland, like, where the fnck are people wanting to go, over the a premier league match where there are no supporters allowed? We are on a covid blacklist in Germany, the Germans are making it up also I suppose.

The ****ing cheek of people to go and engage in normal activities when they have a 0.03 per cent chance of dying of a virus. Reckless imbeciles.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The medical advice "experts" have been wrong every step of the way and have been incompetent the whole time. You hole up and continue to listen to them. Let the rest of us get on with life.

Come on give us the truth

I wonder how long people would have been happy to live like this had vaccines not been discovered. Remember there were concerns we may never get one. The extent of people's morality was given an easy get out thanks to the spectacular speed of development.

A more grown up, if emotionally detached society would be able to discuss numbers of deaths we could tolerate.

end of the road wrote: »

if you have been saying such since last february then you will know that simply providing supports and advice to those at higher risk while getting on with life is unworkable and unviable and would not be possible to deliver.
so why you keep looking for a strategy to be implemented that you already know would bomb hard is something that is a complete mystery.
you cannot protect those vulnerable to covid by having ridiculously high rates of it in the community.




once again, it requires time money equipment and staff to increase ICU capacity, it cannot be done over night.
when a virus has a high amount of spread such that severe cases rise to a number that can overwhelm even the best health systems if uncontrolled, then i'm afraid the only way to deal with that is to implement control measures to minimise the spread, which is what we and most countries have done.
nobody is being blackmailed or being held hostage, if you have evidence of people being blackmailed by anyone then you must report this to the gardai for further investigation.




reporting facts isn't spineless, it's an obligation.
if you want alternative facts then off to facebook and youtube with you.

Of course you can isolate if you are old / vulnerable etc.

It is absolute nonsense that everyone has to lockdown when really only a tiny percentage needed to.

They have had a year to improve the health service, you could have built a new hospital with 500 ICU beds in 6 months if it was really an emergency. They just don't think like that.

Reporting has been highly selective and simply to suit the NPHET and government line at all times. Anyone critical is either dismisssd as a 5g anti vax nut or totally insane. Just look back at this forum for a million examples of it. Clasaic childish discredit tactics to toe the party line......

completedit wrote: »

I wonder how long people would have been happy to live like this had vaccines not been discovered. Remember there were concerns we may never get one. The extent of people's morality was given an easy get out thanks to the spectacular speed of development.

A more grown up, if emotionally detached society would be able to discuss numbers of deaths we could tolerate.

+1 any mention of death and accepting that it happens has become close to impossible to have and has been entirely missing from this debate.

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Of course you can isolate if you are old / vulnerable etc.

It is absolute nonsense that everyone has to lockdown when really only a tiny percentage needed to.

They have had a year to improve the health service, you could have built a new hospital with 500 ICU beds in 6 months f it was really an emergency. They just don't think like that.

Reporting has been highly selective and simply to suit the NPHET and government line at all times. Anyone critical is either dismisssd as a 5g anti vax nut or totally insane. Just look back at this forum for a million examples of it. Clasaic childish discredit tactics to toe the party line......

You're dead right. Look at this stage people are entrenched in their positions. Old people are revered in our societies so a mindset of telling them to stay out of the way, lock themselves up and come out when it's safe to do is frowned upon. We all have to endure the hardship as opposed to those most at risk. It makes no sense to me at all. The only retort is that given that young people may live with those vulnerable to Covid then the reality is the economy would be running at half speed anyway. This would equally be damaging but not really because we can still avail of the low interest rate to subsise them. We put less pressure on the economy and on people. The old act in their own interest and stay out of harms way.