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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

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  • #4772
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Wombatman wrote: »
    So hundreds of teachers all over the country are creating video explaining the same concepts and covering the same curriculum. Absolutely bonkers. Ye might as well write yer own individual textbooks while ye are at it.

    Horrible duplication of work. Very little reuse value if tailored as much as you say. What a waste of time.

    Would you be better off doing it live in that case? At least that way it's interactive.

    My parents indicated they don't want everything to be live. I have parents in my class that have 3-6 children at various stages of the education system. They cannot all be "live" as they don't have devices. For the likes of maths I don't use a text book anyway as I find them too restrictive. I generally find that you need to tailor to each class anyway so that it has maximum impact. What works for one doesn't necessarily work for a different class the following year. Guessing most teachers find the same. You adapt, amend and improvise each year.


  • #4773
    helpful
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭helpful


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    My parents indicated they don't want everything to be live. I have parents in my class that have 3-6 children at various stages of the education system. They cannot all be "live" as they don't have devices. For the likes of maths I don't use a text book anyway as I find them too restrictive. I generally find that you need to tailor to each class anyway so that it has maximum impact. What works for one doesn't necessarily work for a different class the following year. Guessing most teachers find the same. You adapt, amend and improvise each year.

    This is it exactly. Every class has different interests and ability levels so you alter your methods. In the classroom I really enjoy this aspect of teaching, online it’s just not the same


  • #4774
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Wombatman wrote: »
    So hundreds of teachers all over the country are creating video explaining the same concepts and covering the same curriculum. Absolutely bonkers. Ye might as well write yer own individual textbooks while ye are at it.

    Horrible duplication of work. Very little reuse value if tailored as much as you say. What a waste of time.

    Would you be better off doing it live in that case? At least that way it's interactive.

    A number of schools don't follow textbooks. Finishing a textbook is not the same as covering the curriculum.


  • #4775
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Locotastic wrote: »
    I didn't even mention teachers so why do you assume I'm referring to "them".

    This makes no sense in the context of what I pointed out.


  • #4776
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Do you think its best practice?

    What do you see as the main advantages?

    ANswer the question why is it a bad approach before I answer. It could be a learning experience


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  • #4777
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    yrreg0850 wrote: »
    If the Govt tells them go to work and they refuse , they are then on strike !!!!

    Correct, however the government didn't tell them to go to work.


  • #4778
    yrreg0850
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭yrreg0850


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    It is really very simple.

    The Government closed the schools.

    The Union objected to a reopening in specific circumstances. And there's a lot more to it than that but of course you know that already.

    The government closed the schools.
    They also closed non essential stores.
    The difference is when the stores are told open they will.
    So why not the schools.


  • #4779
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    My parents indicated they don't want everything to be live. I have parents in my class that have 3-6 children at various stages of the education system. They cannot all be "live" as they don't have devices. For the likes of maths I don't use a text book anyway as I find them too restrictive. I generally find that you need to tailor to each class anyway so that it has maximum impact. What works for one doesn't necessarily work for a different class the following year. Guessing most teachers find the same. You adapt, amend and improvise each year.

    Why not give live classes for those that can attend, and record those classed for the others to watch later (when they have access to a laptop etc)?

    It sounds like many teachers attitude of "not all students can attend because of no laptop" etc is just dropping to the lowest common denominator.


  • #4780
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Why not give live classes for those that can attend, and record those classed for the others to watch later (when they have access to a laptop etc)?

    It sounds like many teachers attitude of "not all students can attend because of no laptop" etc is just dropping to the lowest common denominator.

    Because a 12 hour day is long enough and people deserve family time.


  • #4781
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    yrreg0850 wrote: »
    The government closed the schools.
    They also closed non essential stores.
    The difference is when the stores are told open they will.
    So why not the schools.

    I'm roaring laughing here.

    You do realise that the special schools and classes should have been open last Thursday week. Reason being that the DES never actually formally communicated to the schools that the reopening had been abandoned.

    Think that tells alot about what they all think.


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  • #4782
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Why not give live classes for those that can attend, and record those classed for the others to watch later (when they have access to a laptop etc)?

    It sounds like many teachers attitude of "not all students can attend because of no laptop" etc is just dropping to the lowest common denominator.

    This thread has now jumped the shark.


  • #4783
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Wombatman wrote: »
    So hundreds of teachers all over the country are creating video explaining the same concepts and covering the same curriculum. Absolutely bonkers. Ye might as well write yer own individual textbooks while ye are at it.

    Horrible duplication of work. Very little reuse value if tailored as much as you say. What a waste of time.

    Would you be better off doing it live in that case? At least that way it's interactive.

    Every teacher is creating their own learning environment whether in person or remotely. I'm not a teacher but I know enough having been in school and kids who are in school to say that teachers have their own style and manner of teaching material, and that they often teach it using different methods and explanations to ensure everyone understands, and they know their kids best and what works for them. And they have to have some autonomy. Is there not plenty of materials they all use to supplement lessons with anyway? Coming from books, websites, YouTube even?!


  • #4784
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    khalessi wrote: »
    ANswer the question why is it a bad approach before I answer. It could be a learning experience

    I am just curious, and was wondering why you were adopting this approach when there are huge amount of resources and large teaching communities of practice available online and IRL. As well as all the friends you must have who are also teachers.

    And I had a question of my own that you seem to have missed ... post 4679.


  • #4785
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    khalessi wrote: »
    Because a 12 hour day is long enough and people deserve family time.

    Also I have children in my class whose parents have signed forms stating that their child's image is not allowed to be recorded or photos of them to be posted on any of the school social media accounts or website. None of my children are old.enough to give consent so it had to come via their parents.


  • #4786
    helpful
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭helpful


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Why not give live classes for those that can attend, and record those classed for the others to watch later (when they have access to a laptop etc)?

    It sounds like many teachers attitude of "not all students can attend because of no laptop" etc is just dropping to the lowest common denominator.

    As has been said many many times the parents don’t want live classes. If one is going to be watching it pre recorded then why can’t they all? Who said live classes are the best model of online teaching?
    I’m sure live zoom classes are working very well for you but they don’t work for everyone I don’t understand what part of that you don’t understand?


  • #4787
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    I am just curious, and was wondering why you were adopting this approach when there are huge amount of resources and large teaching communities of practice available online and IRL. As well as all the friends you must have who are also teachers.

    And I had a question of my own that you seem to have missed ... post 4679.

    NO you said it was a bad approach.

    I am curious why adapting the curriculum to suit the children is a bad approach.


  • #4788
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    yrreg0850 wrote: »
    The government closed the schools.
    They also closed non essential stores.
    The difference is when the stores are told open they will.
    So why not the schools.

    Unless a union stepped in because they were facing a very bad Health & Safety risk and had their concerns ignored.

    Even people in government have said school reopening has been badly handled.


  • #4789
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Why not give live classes for those that can attend, and record those classed for the others to watch later (when they have access to a laptop etc)?

    It sounds like many teachers attitude of "not all students can attend because of no laptop" etc is just dropping to the lowest common denominator.

    Any recording of a student would surely be a breach of both GDPR and child protection guidelines ,no?

    I would not like the teachers in my kids school recording the zoom calls with my kids.

    I am happy they all do pre recorded for the lessons and then use zoom for the social bits


  • #4790
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Why not give live classes for those that can attend, and record those classed for the others to watch later (when they have access to a laptop etc)?

    It sounds like many teachers attitude of "not all students can attend because of no laptop" etc is just dropping to the lowest common denominator.

    Why not let wirelessdude call the shots for his own class and you focus on your own? He knows his students and families and you don't.


  • #4791
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    I am just curious, and was wondering why you were adopting this approach when there are huge amount of resources and large teaching communities of practice available online and IRL. As well as all the friends you must have who are also teachers.

    And I had a question of my own that you seem to have missed ... post 4679.

    Oh I answered that you missed it as you are busy on a rant


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  • #4792
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    khalessi wrote: »
    Because a 12 hour day is long enough and people deserve family time.

    Online "live" classes should be prioritised. As should recording these classes, using a "flipped" model etc.

    It doesn't take a 12 hour day to do this. If so, I suggest you need to think again about pedagogical approaches and what serves the student best (as opposed to what serves the teacher best).


  • #4793
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Wombatman wrote: »
    So hundreds of teachers all over the country are creating video explaining the same concepts and covering the same curriculum. Absolutely bonkers. Ye might as well write yer own individual textbooks while ye are at it.

    Horrible duplication of work. Very little reuse value if tailored as much as you say. What a waste of time.

    Would you be better off doing it live in that case? At least that way it's interactive.

    creating content isn't just video. In my case I will use the textbooks where I can, but you wouldn't believe the fierce amount of pre-teaching and scaffolding that is needed to often times even get you there.

    Also, I have learned over the years that it is more economical on your time to have your own content that you can shape around a book because the publications change every so often and can leave you having to redesign a structure to your year or creating games from scratch again etc if you have tied it too tightly to a textbook.

    When you get into senior cycle, run-of-the-mill covering the book is not going to get you your H1s and the language/layout of the textbooks may be beyond the grasp of your H7s. You will often have both types of customer in the one class by the way.


  • #4794
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Also I have children in my class whose parents have signed forms stating that their child's image is not allowed to be recorded or photos of them to be posted on any of the school social media accounts or website. None of my children are old.enough to give consent so it had to come via their parents.

    Keep the children's cameras off? This can be easily done and is not an excuse for no online classes.


  • #4795
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Why not give live classes for those that can attend, and record those classed for the others to watch later (when they have access to a laptop etc)?

    It sounds like many teachers attitude of "not all students can attend because of no laptop" etc is just dropping to the lowest common denominator.

    Have all your classes been live since last March? Did you record for others to watch later? We wouldn't want people thinking you are being hypocritical.


  • #4796
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    Any recording of a student would surely be a breach of both GDPR and child protection guidelines ,no?

    I would not like the teachers in my kids school recording the zoom calls with my kids.

    I am happy they all do pre recorded for the lessons and then use zoom for the social bits

    I do a mix of live and prerecorded and find it seems to work. As a school we have a policy of not recording any zoom calls as every class has a number of children whose parents have indicated that permission has not been granted for their child's image to be recorded.


  • #4797
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Online "live" classes should be prioritised. As should recording these classes, using a "flipped" model etc.

    It doesn't take a 12 hour day to do this. If so, I suggest you need to think again about pedagogical approaches and what serves the student best (as opposed to what serves the teacher best).

    Ohh sorry adapting lessons to suit my students is not best apporach? I will inform the rest of the SET team and my kids that they can just suck it based on your advice.

    THank you enlightening to know how you feel about SET


  • #4798
    yrreg0850
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭yrreg0850


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    I'm roaring laughing here.

    You do realise that the special schools and classes should have been open last Thursday week. Reason being that the DES never actually formally communicated to the schools that the reopening had been abandoned.

    Think that tells alot about what they all think.

    It tells me that the unions are calling the shots and, the government are afraid of them.


  • #4799
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    Any recording of a student would surely be a breach of both GDPR and child protection guidelines ,no?

    I would not like the teachers in my kids school recording the zoom calls with my kids.

    I am happy they all do pre recorded for the lessons and then use zoom for the social bits

    Don't all teachers know this? Hmmm...


  • #4800
    deiseindublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭deiseindublin


    Do you expect every poster on this thread to answer your question? :o


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  • #4801
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    yrreg0850 wrote: »
    It tells me that the unions are calling the shots and, the government are afraid of them.

    That's a first so. If they are that afraid of the unions please explain why I'm an LPT so?


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