Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

Random sample

Deeec wrote: »

The videos she was doing was only about 5 mins. The other teacher is doing slightly longer videos so there doesn't seem to be limited duration. I think she was possibly finding the whole IT side of things hard. Anyway I it looks like us parents are just going to have to deal with the situation as best we can.

How big is the school? I would suggest to the principal that the other teachers in that year group could share their videos with the class.

For my kids, short videos that they can rewatch works best for me because I don’t have to explain concepts to them. They teachers are doing lots of this. For some subjects I can see that they have rejigged their plan so that they can reuse videos from last year, which is reducing their workload. It’s working well for pe in particular.

Deeec

Random sample wrote: »

How big is the school? I would suggest to the principal that the other teachers in that year group could share their videos with the class.

For my kids, short videos that they can rewatch works best for me because I don’t have to explain concepts to them. They teachers are doing lots of this. For some subjects I can see that they have rejigged their plan so that they can reuse videos from last year, which is reducing their workload. It’s working well for pe in particular.

It's a small rural school. Only 1 class per year so no other classes in the same year to share work. The videos she was giving was working well - nobody had any issues with them. The school didn't do videos last year so nothing there that can be reused.

deiseindublin

teachinggal123 wrote: »

But maybe you have a different understanding of the work "hypocrite".

I think we ALL know what a hypocrite sounds like, ad nauseum.

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I would be very interested to hear what the (usually very vocal) teachers on this thread think of this?

Teachers, is this acceptable? Should this teacher be sanctioned in any way?

Do you know any teachers that did nothing last time but pull a wage? How were they sanctioned? I'd be interested to hear.

teachinggal123

deiseindublin wrote: »

I think we ALL know what a hypocrite sounds like, ad nauseum.

Do you know any teachers that did nothing last time but pull a wage? How were they sanctioned? I'd be interested to hear.

Do you have any opinions on my original questions?

Also, I’m curious. What exactly does a hypocrite sound like?

Mrsmum

It seems to me that the unimpressed parent and the teacher defending their workload can both be right. The problem with remote teaching is that you have the teacher working really hard but what the student receives can look like very little. A ten minute video explaining whatever takes a lot more time than ten minutes to pull together, producing the slides etc but it's still just a ten minute video. I have to admit when I heard classes would be live on zoom, I thought the teachers would be talking, explaining, repeating, showing examples etc for the full hour, like a lecture and then I was disappointed when it turned out to be max 20 mins, more often 10 mins and then class over. I said as much here and some teachers explained my expectations were unrealistic, that normal school doesn't work as above anyway but with lots of class interaction to keep everyone stimulated which I accept but still from the other side it feels like such short classes now and none of that repeat, repeat, repeat thing that teachers do and the passing on of little genius gems of information they impart through classroom conversations. Don't know when it will be safe to be back in school but the sooner the better. In the meantime, empathy for everyone as we are all cooped up in less than perfect circumstances.

wirelessdude01

deiseindublin wrote: »

I think we ALL know what a hypocrite sounds like, ad nauseum.

Do you know any teachers that did nothing last time but pull a wage? How were they sanctioned? I'd be interested to hear.

Maybe someone on the thread could give us their firsthand experience.

teachinggal123

deiseindublin wrote: »

I've no interest in debating with you. It's clear you don't like your job, school or colleagues and have an agenda each and every time you start to post. Yes, we get it, you did NOTHING last lockdown and seem to be intent on reminding us all day in day out.

Of course there are some teachers that did nothing, we know that because you keep on telling us and blaming other people.

THAT is what a hypocrite is.

Thanks for making my earlier prediction come true (post 4664)

Very interesting how at least 6 or 7 teachers posting/thanking over the last hour have confidently ignored my questions of earlier (post 4679).

But teacher bashing etc, right?


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Random sample

Deeec wrote: »

It's a small rural school. Only 1 class per year so no other classes in the same year to share work. The videos she was giving was working well - nobody had any issues with them. The school didn't do videos last year so nothing there that can be reused.

That’s a pity. In normal circumstances when a teacher can’t do the job you have a sub.

I think it’s up to the principal here to sort this out and get work to the class some way.

Locotastic

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Thanks for making my earlier prediction come true

Very interesting how at least 6 or 7 teachers posting/thanking over the last hour have confidently ignored my questions of earlier.

But teacher bashing etc, right?

Even the language used by some posters is quite telling, "We", "We all" "Us all" just goes to demonstrate the hive mind mentality.

Why do some posters refer to themselves collectively as we?

I don't envy you if that's the culture you're faced with in the workplace.

BonsaiKitten

Deeec wrote: »

I know that but if she has personal issues surely she should take leave and another teacher should step in. The kids shouldn't suffer.

Yep, would agree with you on this. If someone isn't well enough to do their job then a sub should be brought in. It does mean that the teacher will have to use their leave days most likely which I guess is why it hasn't happened. Not an excuse imo. Just as "no teacher in my school worked so I didn't work either" doesn't fly with me. But I digress...

Bananaleaf

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I've been saying for almost a year now that we teachers do ourselves no favours by denying this is happening and then defending these teachers. Every teacher on boards knows nothing will happen to these teachers and they will not be sanctioned in any way. But we still deny and defend. (Watch how I'll probably get attacked by other teachers for daring to say this).

I've said it before and I'll say it again

The HUGE issue with this is that teaching is, for the most part, a very isolated profession. This is changing a bit with the new team teaching models becoming more popular, but for the most part, many teachers in many schools simply do not know how their colleagues teach. For a lot of teachers, it isn't a case of deny and defend - it is genuinely unfathomable for them to imagine someone not doing their job and getting away with it. It was for me once.

I used to be one of those teachers who would never hear a bad word said about the profession. It would bring me to tears to hear it said that teachers were lazy because I often went without sleep or food some evenings at the beginning of my career, thus was the intensity of my workload.

Over the years I have witnessed parents and students call fantastic teachers 'useless' and I've also seen serious spoofers being hailed as 'legends'

I've witnessed a very good, passionate teacher being bullied out of the profession and I also have had the 'pleasure' of teaching with one who would absolutely take it out on children (and subsequent siblings) if their parents phoned the principal about their teaching strategies.

Maybe folk here realise this already and are just looking for a good place to rant, but think about this ... there are two kinds of teachers - the ones who work and the ones who don't (not unlike any other profession btw) ...

Now ... which kind do think you are going to be talking to on a discussion forum about teaching at 8pm on a Saturday night???

deiseindublin

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Thanks for making my earlier prediction come true

Very interesting how at least 6 or 7 teachers posting/thanking over the last hour have confidently ignored my questions of earlier.

But teacher bashing etc, right?

It's very interesting to me that you post about SOME teachers doing nothing after admitting to this last lockdown, and then you draw attention to it day in day out.

I'm not sure that you actually understand what a hypocrite is to be honest. If you do, it's even more f*cked up tbh.

billy_beckham

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

As already told to you, the government have decided to keep school buildings closed. Neither Forsa or the INTO closed them or have kept them closed.

Wrong....

wirelessdude01

billy_beckham wrote: »

Wrong....

Go on, how?

teachinggal123

Locotastic wrote: »

I don't envy you if that's the culture you're faced with in the workplace.

I love teaching and would never see myself doing anything else.

But you are correct about the toxic culture. Just look at the attitude of some of the teachers on this thread and the way they talk about parents and students. This is fairly typical in my experience.

Also, claiming that we can't do our job because of lack of direction from the Department ... but then immediately totally ignoring direction from the Department!

helpful

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Thanks for making my earlier prediction come true (post 4664)

Very interesting how at least 6 or 7 teachers posting/thanking over the last hour have confidently ignored my questions of earlier (post 4679).

But teacher bashing etc, right?



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I would draw your attention to posts 4681 and 4682. I believe this matter has been addressed many times however and nobody is saying teachers shouldn’t work. I also believe you are very lucky that teachers who decide not to do their best aren’t sanctioned all things considered.

Locotastic

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Go on, how?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0119/1190583-sna-teachers/

Government abandons return of special education after unions reject plan (INTO and Forsa).

Wombatman

Are teachers really creating their own content in isolation? Sounds completely ludicrous in this day and age. So much content already out there online.

Wombatman

Locotastic wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0119/1190583-sna-teachers/

Government abandons return of special education after unions reject plan (INTO and Forsa).

Done to death. Leave it out for goodness sake.

wirelessdude01

Wombatman wrote: »

Are teachers really creating their own content in isolation? Sounds completely ludicrous in this day and age. So much content already out there online.

Yep. I was at my kitchen table at 7:30 this morning.

It has to be tailored to how they are taking it on board, how quickly they are progressing with new concepts and where we need to take a step back inorder to take two steps forward.

For instance the likes of shape and space might be given a week in the scheme. It doesn't need that much time so I tailor it so that I can gain extra time that can be allocated to something that requires it.

Stateofyou

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Maybe instead of deflecting you’d be better served answering the main point he was making about teachers being responsible for teaching the curriculum?

teachinggal123 wrote: »

You should definitely post that on a thread about accountants ... maybe the business and accountancy forum? As opposed to a thread about schools and teachers.

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Maybe you could start one as you seem to have an interest?

Bossy much? Every time you're on this thread you bring up the same thing (teachers not working, when you admit to not doing anything yourself which is strange?!), and post in an aggressive manner. The only thing left to see from you tonight is a bullying post warning others they're in dangerous legal territory. Then again I think I've two more pages to catch up so perhaps you already have.

teachinggal123

deiseindublin wrote: »

It's very interesting to me that you post about SOME teachers doing nothing after admitting to this last lockdown, and then you draw attention to it day in day out.

I'm not sure that you actually understand what a hypocrite is to be honest. If you do, it's even more f*cked up tbh.

Straight question ... are you calling me a hypocrite? If so, be brave enough to say it without beating around the bush.

Still no answer to my question btw ... post 4679 if you are looking.

deiseindublin

Locotastic wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0119/1190583-sna-teachers/

Government abandons return of special education after unions reject plan (INTO and Forsa).

Yes, true, the Government abandoned the idea. Fair play.

BonsaiKitten

Wombatman wrote: »

Are teachers really creating their own content in isolation? Sounds completely ludicrous in this day and age. So much content already out there online.

I do think hearing their own teachers voice is more motivating for kids tbh. I can see why people are creating their own to try keep engagement levels up.

wirelessdude01

Locotastic wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0119/1190583-sna-teachers/

Government abandons return of special education after unions reject plan (INTO and Forsa).

You do realise that if the government opened the schools on Monday that neither Forsa or The INTO could force them to close? As it stands neither union can tell their members to not go to work.

Inform yourself.

khalessi

Wombatman wrote: »

Are teachers really creating their own content in isolation? Sounds completely ludicrous in this day and age. So much content already out there online.

Yup I am anyways as I have to tailor it to suit my students so I make my own worksheets and instructions. I also source videos to help explain the topic and methodology as I would do in school. This adds hours onto an already too long day and takes time away from my kids education and family time.

teachinggal123

Wombatman wrote: »

Are teachers really creating their own content in isolation? Sounds completely ludicrous in this day and age. So much content already out there online.

Of course they are not.

deiseindublin

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Straight question ... are you calling me a hypocrite? If so, be brave enough to say it without beating around the bush.

Still no answer to my question btw ... post 4679 if you are looking.

Well, Poster T complains ad nauseum that teachers don't teach over lockdown.
Poster T then admits they didn't teach last lockdown either.

I don't know, would you by any stretch of the imagination call that hypocritical?

billy_beckham

Wombatman wrote: »

Done to death. Leave it out for goodness sake.

Sure its fact....its what happened....

Locotastic

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You do realise that if the government opened the schools on Monday that neither Forsa or The INTO could force them to close? As it stands neither union can tell their members to not go to work.

Inform yourself.

Can the government tell them to go to work?