Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

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yrreg0850 wrote: »

It tells me that the unions are calling the shots and, the government are afraid of them.

Sure that’s not the teachers fault? The government need to develop a back bone if that’s the case.

teachinggal123

deiseindublin wrote: »

Do you expect every poster on this thread to answer your question?

If they are demanding that I answer their questions, then yes.

khalessi

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I genuinely don't understand your aggressive attitude. That is not what I'm saying and I suspect you know that.

Not to worry pet if you are mistierpreting tone I am sure you have a lot going on in real life that you take out here.

Mind yourself remember to be kind to yourself and do some mental wellbeing we all need it these days.

Necro

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Thanks for making my earlier prediction come true (post 4664)

Very interesting how at least 6 or 7 teachers posting/thanking over the last hour have confidently ignored my questions of earlier (post 4679).

But teacher bashing etc, right?


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Locotastic wrote: »

Even the language used by some posters is quite telling, "We", "We all" "Us all" just goes to demonstrate the hive mind mentality.

Why do some posters refer to themselves collectively as we?

I don't envy you if that's the culture you're faced with in the workplace.

Mod:

If you have an issue with posters in the thread report the posts, do not derail the thread with this off topic nonsense or you will both be threadbanned

Wombatman

You can't possibly tailor prerecorded or preassembled content for every level of student in your class. It has to be general content related to the area of curriculum being covered.

Targeted teaching, at different students or levels, has to be interactive where you explain differently, go backwards or dive deeper depending on a specific need.

Both prerecorded content and interactive teaching should be in play in online sessions. I'm just shocked that teachers all over the country are preparing the same prerecorded general content.

How the two concepts have been conflated in some responses to my original point is a little worrying.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Wombatman wrote: »

Both prerecorded content and interactive teaching should be in play in online sessions.

It is/ they are

km79

deiseindublin wrote: »

Do you expect every poster on this thread to answer your question?

Especially when some posters can not see the posts unless quoted by others !

teachinggal123

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

It is/ they are

There are parents on this thread saying they receive neither. Also teachers saying the same.

So in fact ... it isn’t/they aren’t.

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teachinggal123 wrote: »

There are parents on this thread saying they receive neither. Also teachers saying the same.

So in fact ... it isn’t/they aren’t.

But there are parents on this thread saying they receive both. Also teachers saying the same.

So in fact it is/they are

downthemiddle

teachinggal123 wrote: »

There are parents on this thread saying they receive neither. Also teachers saying the same.

So in fact ... it isn’t/they aren’t.

Are you doing both?

teachinggal123

downthemiddle wrote: »

Are you doing both?

I’ve answered that already I’m not repeating myself.

PoolDude

Shared this on another thread:

Here’s a tweet that should be shared based on the latest info and the lack of clarity:

59% of today's cases are under the age of 45, with a median age of 39. So the age of the majority of our teachers
@MichealMartinTD @NormaFoleyTD1 #LeavingCert2021 #wewantanoption #giveusachoice #saveourteachers

Add to that the fact that the majority of transmission is coming from 18 - 24 year olds and the CMO has written to the Minister for Health express concern ‘it will become increasingly difficult to maintain the level of suppression of Covid-19 that has been achieved since the New Year’.

I wonder are folks looking at the bigger picture and joining the dots here rather than looking at it myopically, focusing on purely figuring out the LC based on what is happening with missed school time and school closures v the full picture.

Mrsmum

PoolDude wrote: »

Shared this on another thread:

Here’s a tweet that should be shared based on the latest info and the lack of clarity:

59% of today's cases are under the age of 45, with a median age of 39. So the age of the majority of our teachers
@MichealMartinTD @NormaFoleyTD1 #LeavingCert2021 #wewantanoption #giveusachoice #saveourteachers

Add to that the fact that the majority of transmission is coming from 18 - 24 year olds and the CMO has written to the Minister for Health express concern ‘it will become increasingly difficult to maintain the level of suppression of Covid-19 that has been achieved since the New Year’.

I wonder are folks looking at the bigger picture and joining the dots here rather than looking at it myopically, focusing on purely figuring out the LC based on what is happening with missed school time and school closures v the full picture.

What's happening out there. We are a month on from Christmas, in level 5 lockdown, most people are WFH or at home on PUP, schools and colleges are closed, hospitality is closed down. Where is all this transmission happening ?

downthemiddle

Mrsmum wrote: »

What's happening out there. We are a month on from Christmas, in level 5 lockdown, most people are WFH or at home on PUP, schools and colleges are closed, hospitality is closed down. Where is all this transmission happening ?

We have had more cases in January than all of 2020. The virus is rampant at the moment.

wirelessdude01

The drop seems to have stopped/plateaued. What are the next steps?

Mrsmum

downthemiddle wrote: »

We have had more cases in January than all of 2020. The virus is rampant at the moment.

I know but where are they all mixing for to spread jt. Most people I know are basically going to the supermarket and that's it.

Deeec

Mrsmum wrote: »

What's happening out there. We are a month on from Christmas, in level 5 lockdown, most people are WFH or at home on PUP, schools and colleges are closed, hospitality is closed down. Where is all this transmission happening ?

There are still far too many people out and about. Very few construction sites actually closed. Many shops that are meant to be closed have found a loophole to stay open. Teens are gathering in goups. Last March/April roads were empty with nobody moving around - from what I see thats not the case this time. Lockdown rules need to be enforced.

Mrsmum

Deeec wrote: »

There are still far too many people out and about. Very few construction sites actually closed. Many shops that are meant to be closed have found a loophole to stay open. Teens are gathering in goups. Last March/April roads were empty with nobody moving around - from what I see thats not the case this time. Lockdown rules need to be enforced.

I suppose that must be it. Really quiet round my way and pre Covid it would normally be full of kids and teenagers out and about.

wirelessdude01

Deeec wrote: »

There are still far too many people out and about. Very few construction sites actually closed. Many shops that are meant to be closed have found a loophole to stay open. Teens are gathering in goups. Last March/April roads were empty with nobody moving around - from what I see thats not the case this time. Lockdown rules need to be enforced.

Three developments where I live. Thought the agreement with the construction sector was that only sites that were to be fully finished by yesterday were allowed to remain operational. All three remained fully operational throughout January. Two of them are what can only be described as ground level, as in they are actively building, not finishing. The other one is about a further two months away from being finished.

Deeec

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Three developments where I live. Thought the agreement with the construction sector was that only sites that were to be fully finished by yesterday were allowed to remain operational. All three remained fully operational throughout January. Two of them are what can only be described as ground level, as in they are actively building, not finishing. The other one is about a further two months away from being finished.

Construction sites are a major issue. All sites near where I live are still operating. Workers are travelling from the north to sites all over the country. all sites should be closed for the month of Feb - won't happen though.

wirelessdude01

Deeec wrote: »

Construction sites are a major issue. All sites near where I live are still operating. Workers are travelling from the north to sites all over the country. all sites should be closed for the month of Feb - won't happen though.

Closest one to me, at least 2/3 of the subbies are nordies.

Jinglejangle69

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Three developments where I live. Thought the agreement with the construction sector was that only sites that were to be fully finished by yesterday were allowed to remain operational. All three remained fully operational throughout January. Two of them are what can only be described as ground level, as in they are actively building, not finishing. The other one is about a further two months away from being finished.

Construction workers can't feed their families on 200 euro a week.

I totally understand why people are trying to find a way around the restrictions to go to work to meet the bills.

Catch 22.

landofthetree

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/cabinet-experts-say-primary-schools-can-reopen-on-february-8-nos/
Dutch primary schools will open on the 8th Feb

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A girl across the road from us has had her boyfriend down from Dublin this weekend. No idea how he travelled from Dublin to Munster without being stopped when they can stop people going to work 20 minutes away. No big deal to me because I won’t have any dealings with him but I did see him coming back from the local shop today so he’s out and about interacting. It’s very frustrating when I can’t go to work because of this sort of behaviour.

Deeec

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Construction workers can't feed their families on 200 euro a week.

I totally understand why people are trying to find a way around the restrictions to go to work to meet the bills.

Catch 22.

Yep your right. The hospitality trade had to shut down though. I bet they are finding it hard to support their families too. The reality in construction sites is that there is no covid procedures. IMO construction sites are contributing to the spread.

Stateofyou

https://www.independent.ie/news/the-questions-every-parent-has-about-the-reopening-of-schools-but-the-department-of-education-wont-answer-40030136.html?fbclid=IwAR1C0D1NR66mENU8ukXLm_OEKNt5hD-c7uqdU_tNN3LgQJ0G9SKROK24mwc

The Irish Independent sent a list of questions to the Department earlier this week in an attempt to obtain clarity on schools.
The questions every parent has about the reopening of schools - but the Department of Education won’t answer.

Labour education spokesperson Aodhán Ó Ríordáin hit out at the department saying “there was no sense of drive” to resolve the issue and said “it’s as if the department has almost given up”.

The Irish Independent sent a list of questions to the Department earlier this week in an attempt to obtain clarity on the current state of play surrounding the opening of schools, but received answers to none.

The department did not respond to the specific questions but said “confidential talks” with unions and other education stakeholders were ongoing.

Below are the questions that every parent has about the re-opening of schools, but that the Department didn’t answer:

Has the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) been asked for any advice around the phased return of education?


Dr Tony Holohan has said Nphet have provided advice around the safe reopening of schools but did not specifically confirm whether it was around the phased reopening of the sector.

Have Nphet provided advice in relation to the promised imminent return of special needs education and then Leaving Cert students?

The department did not answer this question but Dr Holohan did say “it is up to the education sector to plan the resumption of activities”.

What criteria need to be met for Nphet to recommend the return to education to start?

This was not addressed by the Department.

What criteria need to be met for the full one million members of the school community to be fully returned?

This was not addressed by the Department.

Is there a date when the phased return will begin?

The only indication given so far was by Tánaiste Leo Varadkar when he disclosed the phased reopening was likely to begin “in the second half of February and in March”. There have been no dates provided for any students as of yet.

Can they specify the order of this return - special education, then Leaving Cert, then who - and the time between each phase of the return?

This was not addressed by the Department.

Will primary students all go back together or will it be further broken down by class?

This was not addressed by the Department.

Will students return on a five-day basis or blended learning?

Before the proposed reopening of schools in January was scrapped, Leaving Cert students were slated to return to school three days per week, on a rotational basis to minimise close contacts. It is unclear whether this will be the approach taken initially or whether all students will attend school five days per week.

Are there any plans to adjust school holidays - midterm breaks, Easter holidays, summer holidays?

Again, this was not addressed by the Department.

wirelessdude01

I hope the Irish idiots who were fined in St. Anton, Austria for skiing also get a further fine when they arrive back in our country.

CapriciousOne

Mrsmum wrote: »

What's happening out there. We are a month on from Christmas, in level 5 lockdown, most people are WFH or at home on PUP, schools and colleges are closed, hospitality is closed down. Where is all this transmission happening ?

Well there were tens of people queuing outside a Curry’s in Swords trying to get PlayStation 5s this morning. Speaks volumes about the attitude of some.

Stateofyou

Deeec wrote: »

Yep your right. The hospitality trade had to shut down though. I bet they are finding it hard to support their families too. The reality in construction sites is that there is no covid procedures. IMO construction sites are contributing to the spread.

My cousin works at one of the largest sites. Says the canteen is absolutely rammed at lunch and groups go on smoke breaks together. Many would travel in together and stop off along the way to/fro and doesn't see many wearing masks in the vans. Though he will say they are strict regarding staying off if you're a close contact of anyone testing or tested positive.
But yeah, I'd say you're right.

Locotastic

Mrsmum wrote: »

I know but where are they all mixing for to spread jt. Most people I know are basically going to the supermarket and that's it.

Hundreds of thousands of people still go to work every day.