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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9872
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Why is this travel ban becoming so complicated, Just stop it, full stop, its not terribly complicated. As for expecting people to pay for being locked up in hotels, how the F*** is that going to work? It's a nonsense and some serious diplomatic issues a serious possibility, what are GOV going to do with those who refuse to pay? Deport them? Stop them coming in the first place FFS.

    It's not nearly this easy. You can't just close the airports and call it a day. I think the approach Australia is taking is somewhat fair - severely limit the number of people that can come into the country, and enforce quarantine unless an exception is granted on an individual basis. And they're still severely screwing over lots of citizen that live abroad and want/need to go back home (sick parents, lost their jobs and want to go back home, etc...).

    As for forced hotel quarantine, it's working in Australia, Taiwan, Singapore and possible other countries.
    Couple of articles on how it works:
    https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/01/08/taiwan-covid-19-protocol
    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-01-01/covid-travel-singapore-pandemic-quarantine-lockdown

    Honestly I don't have a strong opinion either way, but it's totally doable if there is the will do to it.


  • #9873
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Seems my ex-gf in London has it - definitely symptomatic for a week, hasn't left the bed except to go to the loo, feverish, heart palpitations, fatigued etc., didn't quite hit hospitalisation levels on heart/oxygen monitors - but still tested negative during the week. On the mend now. She said the doctor said some people tested negative a few times before coming back positive, which seems a bit nuts. I guess maybe London are relying on ****tier tests given how bad things are over there? Posters who know more about testing - what's the current state of our tests regarding false positives/negatives?


  • #9874
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    polesheep wrote: »
    You make a lot of sense, nevertheless, cases are dropping and restrictions are increasing.

    Sure but the issue is making sure that they don't inevitably go up once restrictions ease. If there's minimal travel restrictions then it will be a constant game of whack a mole and be very difficult to avoid importing more variants.


  • #9875
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    If it's combined with quarantine it might have a better chance than before now.

    Living with covid is out the window. Not sure what the current strategy is besides vaccinate and hope for the best.
    Living with COVID really means the level we are at. I'm not convinced there is too much to be gained casewise at this point from quarantines here, but it is an extra painless tweak and it makes the government look like they have more control.


  • #9876
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Russman wrote: »
    Not saying you’re wrong at all, but the surges in Florida (the Sunshine State) and Texas last summer make me doubt there’s much of a seasonality aspect to this tbh. Could well be, but I’m a little dubious.

    The thing about hot places is that people tend to retreat indoors into dry air conditioning to get some respite from the heat, which may or may not account for some of the contagion in hit regions.


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  • #9877
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Living with COVID really means the level we are at. I'm not convinced there is too much to be gained casewise at this point from quarantines here, but it is an extra painless tweak and it makes the government look like they have more control.

    It won't impact current community case level but as cases decrease it mitigates against importing more cases and new variants. But government will probably do a typical half assed version to then have the excuse that it didn't work properly.


  • #9878
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Was that not partly based on political considerations? If the political context shifts , it could have more of a chance. I don't think there would be much appetite for a 4th and 5th lockdown but if a slightly longer restrictions plus enforced quarantine means sustainable opening it could work.

    All to do with the border and different restrictions North and South

    You won't get agreement on restrictions etc that would be needed for a zero covid strategy


  • #9879
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Sure but the issue is making sure that they don't inevitably go up once restrictions ease. If there's minimal travel restrictions then it will be a constant game of whack a mole and be very difficult to avoid importing more variants.

    They could give a little and take a little. As it is, it's simply more restrictions as cases go down. It frustrates people and makes them question why they are sacrificing so much.


  • #9880
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It is being investigated further. The UKs analysis from multiple different areas suggested greater transmission. There is the researchers eyes tangible evidence. Their paper is still in preprints though awaiting peer review. Will have to wait and see.

    These things take time. You don't get all the answers at once. The preliminary dara and analysis is enough to suggest precaution. Maybe that can be relaxed but based on the initial findings it's best to be safe rather than sorry.

    Relevant Paper (pre print):
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.30.20249034v2

    South Africa variant arguably has even more analysis than the UK. That one is imo of more concern rightly so.

    Moderna say's their vaccine works against South African strain.


  • #9881
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The thing about hot places is that people tend to retreat indoors into dry air conditioning to get some respite from the heat, which may or may not account for some of the contagion in hit regions.

    There seems to be some speculation that the women in NZ who tested positive after the 14 day quarantine may have caught the virus from air conditioning but dunno how accurate that is.


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  • #9882
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    polesheep wrote: »
    They could give a little and take a little. As it is, it's simply more restrictions as cases go down. It frustrates people and makes them question why they are sacrificing so much.

    Look at what happened at Christmas. Look at the situation the hospitals, in particular, ICUs are in as a result.


  • #9883
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    polesheep wrote: »
    They could give a little and take a little. As it is, it's simply more restrictions as cases go down. It frustrates people and makes them question why they are sacrificing so much.

    The main one I want to see is quarantine for everyone. May not be realistic and with case level so high but might mean we have a normal summer. If it helps do it and ease restrictions for majority of people living here then I'd be in favour.


  • #9884
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Look at what happened at Christmas. Look at the situation the hospitals, in particular, ICUs are in as a result.

    I did say tweak.

    The cases are coming down and the restrictions are increasing.


  • #9885
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Uncle was told he had COVID this morning and now my mother's isolating in her room waiting for a test tomorrow afternoon. She's got a headache and sore throat and her GP reckons she's fine, but has to get a test just in case because she's got a hospital appointment soon.

    It's circling the drain folks!


  • #9886
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    polesheep wrote: »
    I did say tweak.

    The cases are coming down and the restrictions are increasing.

    What would you 'tweak', though? Everything that's in place is to reduce mixing of people and transmission.


  • #9887
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Look at what happened at Christmas. Look at the situation the hospitals, in particular, ICUs are in as a result.
    Christmas is unique in terms of the amount of activity it produces over a very short period and we knew cases would rise, just not to the horrendous numbers we got. The period from July up to October is a better indicator of what might happen as we go back down through levels.


  • #9888
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    All to do with the border and different restrictions North and South

    You won't get agreement on restrictions etc that would be needed for a zero covid strategy

    That's the default government response but there doesn't seem to be any evidence that they've attempted it in any meaningful way. I'd have a lot more time for that excuse if they tried and failed rather than failing to try at all. Nothing should be off the table here. People in GB couldn't travel to other parts of GB, should be same from travel from GB to NI.


  • #9889
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    141.000 people arrived in the country in December

    That can't be right surely?


  • #9890
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Christmas is unique in terms of the amount of activity it produces over a very short period and we knew cases would rise, just not to the horrendous numbers we got. The period from July up to October is a better indicator of what might happen as we go back down through levels.

    There is the new variable of new variants to consider though. Vaccinations might mitigate that in long term but I think as this goes on it risks new variants being imported here. I think government may naturally be cautious as a result of experience after Christmas rightly or wrongly.


  • #9891
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Christmas is unique in terms of the amount of activity it produces over a very short period and we knew cases would rise, just not to the horrendous numbers we got. The period from July up to October is a better indicator of what might happen as we go back down through levels.

    And the problem this Christmas was the opening came after a long phase of restrictions . It caused a huge surge into shops and restaurants etc

    I think a slow opening should be in place . First click and collect open before non essential retail . This might release some steam before shops open . Then shops before restaurants , restaurants only if numbers still are low . And so on in small bites .
    The last opening was all wrong in my opinion in that everything opened together


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  • #9892
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    141.000 people arrived in the country in December

    That can't be right surely?

    About 33k a week at the moment so if anything seems on the low side.


  • #9893
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Well, the word is that the UK is going to announce the plan to close its borders tomorrow and require mandatory hotel quarantine for all, including all from Ireland, whether by air or sea. 10 days mandatory quarantine for everyone from Ireland is certainly not what I expected and puts me in a bind, with my living and work arrangements spread across the two places.

    Whether that ‘quarantine border’ is in the Irish Sea, or at the land border remains to be seen, and don’t know how long will be in place for, but seems like all of cabinet now want to throw up a ring of steel (and those who were opposed are now “resigned to it”)


  • #9894
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    There is the new variable of new variants to consider though. Vaccinations might mitigate that in long term but I think as this goes on it risks new variants being imported here. I think government may naturally be cautious as a result of experience after Christmas rightly or wrongly.
    Well, so far they are not the drama that some people have made them out to be, plus all of the main 3 vaccine suppliers have said they can tweak quickly.


  • #9895
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    And the problem this Christmas was the opening came after a long phase of restrictions . It caused a huge surge into shops and restaurants etc

    I think a slow opening should be in place . First click and collect open before non essential retail . This might release some steam before shops open . Then shops before restaurants , restaurants only if numbers still are low . And so on in small bites .
    The last opening was all wrong in my opinion in that everything opened together

    These restrictions will likely be even longer but agree there was pressure to get everything opened plus people knowing restrictions in January were likely and having more time off to meet people/go to pubs and restaurants over Christmas etc.


  • #9896
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    And the problem this Christmas was the opening came after a long phase of restrictions . It caused a huge surge into shops and restaurants etc

    I think a slow opening should be in place . First click and collect open before non essential retail . This might release some steam before shops open . Then shops before restaurants , restaurants only if numbers still are low . And so on in small bites .
    The last opening was all wrong in my opinion in that everything opened together

    I agree. I think the original opening plan back in May was ok before they condensed it. It gave time to assess the impact of each additional step on cases.


  • #9897
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, so far they are not the drama that some people have made them out to be, plus all of the main 3 vaccine suppliers have said they can tweak quickly.

    Wouldn't say drama no but hard to tell full effect as restrictions followed not long after. Can understand gov being cautious with them in existence though.


  • #9898
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    And the problem this Christmas was the opening came after a long phase of restrictions . It caused a huge surge into shops and restaurants etc

    I think a slow opening should be in place . First click and collect open before non essential retail . This might release some steam before shops open . Then shops before restaurants , restaurants only if numbers still are low . And so on in small bites .
    The last opening was all wrong in my opinion in that everything opened together
    If there was one thing that might have been held back, even in part, it was hospitality. IMO it was less that it opened than it signalled the idea of a normal Christmas to too many people. From a mental health perspective the idea of opening up was still the right move.


  • #9899
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Wouldn't say drama no but hard to tell full effect as restrictions followed not long after. Can understand gov being cautious with them in existence though.
    Caution of a sort but I'd say panic in some quarters. There's a whole load of may, might and could floating around about them and that's not a good way to drive decision making.


  • #9900
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, the word is that the UK is going to announce the plan to close its borders tomorrow and require mandatory hotel quarantine for all, including all from Ireland, whether by air or sea. 10 days mandatory quarantine for everyone from Ireland is certainly not what I expected and puts me in a bind, with my living and work arrangements spread across the two places.

    Whether that ‘quarantine border’ is in the Irish Sea, or at the land border remains to be seen, and don’t know how long will be in place for, but seems like all of cabinet now want to throw up a ring of steel (and those who were opposed are now “resigned to it”)
    If that's true, then a "whole island" approach could be feasible.


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  • #9901
    [Deleted User]
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    Are numbers late today


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