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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9842
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It is being investigated further. The UKs analysis from multiple different areas suggested greater transmission. There is the researchers eyes tangible evidence. Their paper is still in preprints though awaiting peer review. Will have to wait and see.

    These things take time. You don't get all the answers at once. The preliminary dara and analysis is enough to suggest precaution. Maybe that can be relaxed but based on the initial findings it's best to be safe rather than sorry.

    Relevant Paper (pre print):
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.30.20249034v2

    South Africa variant arguably has even more analysis than the UK. That one is imo of more concern rightly so.

    From my very dumb view, it is clear the variant is becoming more dominant as compared to the other variants, but that doesn't mean it is more transmissible.


  • #9843
    [Deleted User]
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    UK cases dropping quick enough now as well. At 22,195 for today

    Tell you what Stephen, we could be witnessing greenshoots of genuine optimism. Will embrace any bit of positivity like a capsized sailor clinging to a buoy.


  • #9844
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    COVID-19 deaths per million people, rolling 7-day average:

    1. Portugal 22.53

    2. UK 18.31

    3. Slovakia 15.54

    4. Czech Republic 13.75

    5. Eswatini 12.68

    6. Slovenia 12.37

    7. Liechtenstein 11.24

    8. Lithuania 10.71

    9. Ireland 10.47

    10. Latvia 10.01

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-worst-covid-death-rate-world-coronavirus-134410395.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29kbGlrZXByb2R1Y3Rpb25zLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEQ0EVBdRlVKXkx6ygiq4ZYxPJFH06x_L3YtNQpmawQWF5pwgH4k3spHNU_NquG4EafGvgMXH-9xPfqt1xCW3ExEMIApi871hBa6gtaY1FFioxoVjiKEqJQ42gtuAclCLmXtw6OfXCf7WHM-BQzTNVvW_in5NLVZ1sozQexwSVuv


  • #9845
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    COVID-19 deaths per million people, rolling 7-day average:

    1. Portugal 22.53

    2. UK 18.31

    3. Slovakia 15.54

    4. Czech Republic 13.75

    5. Eswatini 12.68

    6. Slovenia 12.37

    7. Liechtenstein 11.24

    8. Lithuania 10.71

    9. Ireland 10.47

    10. Latvia 10.01

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-worst-covid-death-rate-world-coronavirus-134410395.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29kbGlrZXByb2R1Y3Rpb25zLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEQ0EVBdRlVKXkx6ygiq4ZYxPJFH06x_L3YtNQpmawQWF5pwgH4k3spHNU_NquG4EafGvgMXH-9xPfqt1xCW3ExEMIApi871hBa6gtaY1FFioxoVjiKEqJQ42gtuAclCLmXtw6OfXCf7WHM-BQzTNVvW_in5NLVZ1sozQexwSVuv

    Eswatini = used to be Swaziland, for those others like me who may have gone :confused:


  • #9846
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Only saw the positive swabs there, that's great going from where we were a few weeks ago. If we's consistently below 1,000 before the end of the month think it would be great boost.


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  • #9847
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    If this keeps up the Healy Raes will be sending pensioners up north to get theirs :pac: Presume vaccines fall outside the treatment abroad scheme?!

    https://twitter.com/healthdpt/status/1353749300531048458


  • #9848
    froog
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    Gradius wrote: »
    I severely doubt that.

    The virus is transmitting from other people, so if you're out and about with much more interaction (as opposed to holed up in the house), then it'll spread more, not less.

    there's a strong seasonal aspect to this virus. not as large as flu for example, but it's there unquestionably.


  • #9849
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    froog wrote: »
    there's a strong seasonal aspect to this virus. not as large as flu for example, but it's there unquestionably.

    I’m in no way doubting you but how does a virus become seasonal - what makes it less likely to spread at certain times? I’ve heard it said in winter we are indoors more so that’s a factor but that’s not the virus itself.


  • #9850
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    I’m in no way doubting you but how does a virus become seasonal - what makes it less likely to spread at certain times? I’ve heard it said in winter we are indoors more so that’s a factor but that’s not the virus itself.

    Probably that we're just a little weaker and more vulnerable in winter. Vitamin D or lack of seems huge in this.


  • #9851
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    froog wrote: »
    there's a strong seasonal aspect to this virus. not as large as flu for example, but it's there unquestionably.

    I think the seasonality aspect may be a bit overplayed. It might be more do do with people socialising outdoors vs indoors more than anything.


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  • #9852
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Jasus , there is actually real talk of putting check points up near the border?

    Have things gone bonkers?

    Case numbers are collapsing, we are doing well. We do not need to panic at this point and make decisions we will regret in the long term.

    We need to hold tight and I really hope the government don't bend to a transient sway in public opinion.


  • #9853
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Mimon wrote: »
    Thanks, found that too and passed it on to them.

    Agree regarding the resource issue with the use of Ambulances. Maybe HSE could rent some vans. Long wait as well.

    When I was tested by the Ambulance service back in Sept, he didn't actually arrive in an ambulance. It was a jeep, I think. While an Ambulance service jeep, it is not intended to transport sick/injured people. The Ambulance service is broader in scope than its name suggests.


  • #9854
    oceanman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭oceanman


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Jasus , there is actually real talk of putting check points up near the border?

    Have things gone bonkers?

    Case numbers are collapsing, we are doing well. We do not need to panic at this point and make decisions we will regret in the long term.

    We need to hold tight and I really hope the government don't bend to a transient sway in public opinion.
    should have done it months ago...


  • #9855
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    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    I’m in no way doubting you but how does a virus become seasonal - what makes it less likely to spread at certain times? I’ve heard it said in winter we are indoors more so that’s a factor but that’s not the virus itself.

    Some viruses do apparently show seasonality in addition to the gathering indoors factor in unfavourable weather.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/why-do-dozens-diseases-wax-and-wane-seasons-and-will-covid-19


  • #9856
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Wonder will this get much support within government?

    https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1353745367301574662


  • #9857
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    I’m in no way doubting you but how does a virus become seasonal - what makes it less likely to spread at certain times? I’ve heard it said in winter we are indoors more so that’s a factor but that’s not the virus itself.

    UV light kills viruses very fast is the main answer. coupled with less people gathering together inside coughing and sneezing.


  • #9858
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Jasus , there is actually real talk of putting check points up near the border?

    Have things gone bonkers?

    Case numbers are collapsing, we are doing well. We do not need to panic at this point and make decisions we will regret in the long term.

    We need to hold tight and I really hope the government don't bend to a transient sway in public opinion.

    When cases are high, those who favour tighter restrictions press the advantage. Eventually the government capitulates, but by then the cases are dropping again. We've been here before.


  • #9859
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Wonder will this get much support within government?

    https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1353745367301574662

    No it won't

    They know it's not workable


  • #9860
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    froog wrote: »
    UV light kills viruses very fast is the main answer. coupled with less people gathering together inside coughing and sneezing.

    Not saying you’re wrong at all, but the surges in Florida (the Sunshine State) and Texas last summer make me doubt there’s much of a seasonality aspect to this tbh. Could well be, but I’m a little dubious.


  • #9861
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    polesheep wrote: »
    When cases are high, those who favour tighter restrictions press the advantage. Eventually the government capitulates, but by then the cases are dropping again. We've been here before.

    Surely that's the right time to press? To maintain certain restrictions when cases ease so they stay down at a sustainable level


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  • #9862
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Probably that we're just a little weaker and more vulnerable in winter. Vitamin D or lack of seems huge in this.

    How do you explain the worsening situation in Brazil then? It is mid summer there now. Not to mention that many parts of the country have similar temperatures / sunshine levels all year round.


  • #9863
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Surely that's the right time to press? To maintain certain restrictions when cases ease so they stay down at a sustainable level

    It is if you favour more restrictions. If you wish to control the number of cases with the least amount of restrictions you tweak them as the numbers change.


  • #9864
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    No it won't

    They know it's not workable

    If it's combined with quarantine it might have a better chance than before now.

    Living with covid is out the window. Not sure what the current strategy is besides vaccinate and hope for the best.


  • #9865
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    How do you explain the worsening situation in Brazil then? It is mid summer there now. Not to mention that many parts of the country have similar temperatures / sunshine levels all year round.

    Its been widely reported that hispanic and black people are more vulnerable to this and lower vitamin d levels in those populations were mentioned in that context.


  • #9866
    MaccaTacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭MaccaTacca


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Jasus , there is actually real talk of putting check points up near the border?

    Have things gone bonkers?

    Case numbers are collapsing, we are doing well. We do not need to panic at this point and make decisions we will regret in the long term.

    We need to hold tight and I really hope the government don't bend to a transient sway in public opinion.

    Agree.

    The Irish government is also taking serious liberties with the Common Travel Area, issues created here will be around long after Covid is gone.


  • #9867
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Why is this travel ban becoming so complicated, Just stop it, full stop, its not terribly complicated. As for expecting people to pay for being locked up in hotels, how the F*** is that going to work? It's a nonsense and some serious diplomatic issues a serious possibility, what are GOV going to do with those who refuse to pay? Deport them? Stop them coming in the first place FFS.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #9868
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    If it's combined with quarantine it might have a better chance than before now.

    Living with covid is out the window. Not sure what the current strategy is besides vaccinate and hope for the best.

    NPHET and Tony don't believe its possible so I can't see the government going against that advice


  • #9869
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    polesheep wrote: »
    It is if you favour more restrictions. If you wish to control the number of cases with the least amount of restrictions you tweak them as the numbers change.

    Not necessarily more. Can be different ones which we didn't have all along to make sure easing restrictions is sustainable and we don't have to have a 4th and 5th lockdown. If quarantine is workable could have a chance of a domestic summer season potentially say.

    This constant restrictions and then easing only to have more restrictions doesn't benefit as much having sustainable restrictions. Unless we try to change it, it will be same story.


  • #9870
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    NPHET and Tony don't believe its possible so I can't see the government going against that advice

    Was that not partly based on political considerations? If the political context shifts , it could have more of a chance. I don't think there would be much appetite for a 4th and 5th lockdown but if a slightly longer restrictions plus enforced quarantine means sustainable opening it could work.


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  • #9871
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Not necessarily more. Can be different ones which we didn't have all along to make sure easing restrictions is sustainable and we don't have to have a 4th and 5th lockdown. If quarantine is workable could have a chance of a domestic summer season potentially say.

    This constant restrictions and then easing only to have more restrictions doesn't benefit as much having sustainable restrictions. Unless we try to change it, it will be same story.

    You make a lot of sense, nevertheless, cases are dropping and restrictions are increasing.


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