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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Rodin wrote: »
    The only utterly nasty despicable behaviour is the blatant flouting of rules, social distancing and respiratory/hand hygienethat has our ICUs overflowing and the public hospitals unable to cope with 2000 Covid patients.
    It won't be easily forgotten.

    Thanks for reinforcing my point there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    No, you gave no logical reason other than an assumption that people walking on a beach in January might take it upon themselves to go for a swim...which in my view should be up to the individual not our government to decide....they don't want people travelling outside of a 5km for no particular reason at all...it defies logic given that people are not at risk in traffic, not at risk talking a walk outdoors.

    Why are NPHET setting up sub groups...they only have one gear - total lockdown for as long as possible justifying it with what ever data they can twist to suit.

    You don't have a leg to stand on so you just throw a few insults.

    fining people alone on a beach or having a swim isn't about health care or the state of the nation.
    It's just tokenism , some meaningless gesture to show the state are taking it seriously but does the square root of fcuk all to combat covid.

    All it actually does is create the "name and shame" mob culture online and the curtain twitchers on the local facebook page.

    If the gardai were really serious , they'd have broken up the traveller funerals and the BLM marches we saw on tv.

    How about the almost constant house parties in "rougher" estates like in Darndale and Finglas (two areas I know they are happening)

    couldn't be doing that when there is low hanging fruit like lone women to bully?:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Rodin wrote: »
    The only utterly nasty despicable behaviour is the blatant flouting of rules, social distancing and respiratory/hand hygienethat has our ICUs overflowing and the public hospitals unable to cope with 2000 Covid patients.
    It won't be easily forgotten.

    You should text into Pat Kenny’s radio show. He loves reading out stuff like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    paw patrol wrote: »
    fining people alone on a beach or having a swim isn't about health care or the state of the nation.
    It's just tokenism , some meaningless gesture to show the state are taking it seriously but does the square root of fcuk all to combat covid.

    All it actually does is create the "name and shame" mob culture online and the curtain twitchers on the local facebook page.

    If the gardai were really serious , they'd have broken up the traveller funerals and the BLM marches we saw on tv.

    How about the almost constant house parties in "rougher" estates like in Darndale and Finglas (two areas I know they are happening)

    couldn't be doing that when there is low hanging fruit like lone women to bully?:rolleyes:
    Totally agree. Remember Lockdown Part 1 when all of these amenities were actually closed off? The car park in the Glen of the Downs was closed Djouce woods closed Glendalough closed all Coillte car parks closed. Even the little car parks on Strand Rd were closed off. If they actually thought it would make a difference they would have done the same this time, but no. They don’t even believe in this lockdown themselves, they’re just going through the motions to be able to say “look we tried everything but the public are too stupid.......”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Rodin wrote: »
    The only utterly nasty despicable behaviour is the blatant flouting of rules, social distancing and respiratory/hand hygienethat has our ICUs overflowing and the public hospitals unable to cope with 2000 Covid patients.
    It won't be easily forgotten.

    1000 of which contracted the disease in those hospitals if recent reports are correct


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    1000 of which contracted the disease in those hospitals if recent reports are correct

    Quote your report.

    It isn't true that 50% of the national number of Covid patients got it in hospital.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Going by what I have read here I would think some would be in favour of that.

    It genuinely makes my blood boil, the selfish ignorance of facts, the inability to wear a mask ‘because they don’t work’ even though even the cheapest ones are proven to stop moisture escaping from peoples noses and mouths below the micron level that Covid would fix itself to.

    When this is all over, history will prove that the naysayers were the cause of a large percentage of deaths that therefore could have been avoided! All because ‘they wanna get on with their lives’

    I find it utterly sickening tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Thread is hilarious today... let’s fine people a grand for exercising...

    The world some people want to live in is bizarre. Thankfully this nonsense will al be over soon.

    In terms of the fines, we have criminals with 100+ convictions who are not in jail. Good luck with the fines.

    2 days ago you didn`t think the "nonsense" as you dismiss it will be over soon.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115939964&postcount=9648

    So why have you flip flopped today?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    It genuinely makes my blood boil, the selfish ignorance of facts, the inability to wear a mask ‘because they don’t work’ even though even the cheapest ones are proven to stop moisture escaping from peoples noses and mouths below the micron level that Covid would fix itself to.

    When this is all over, history will prove that the naysayers were the cause of a large percentage of deaths that therefore could have been avoided! All because ‘they wanna get on with their lives’

    I find it utterly sickening tbh.

    Also you have those who don`t like it when their nonsense is called out and throw their toys out of the pram spewing out the "curtain twitcher" "lockdown merchant" etc comments and a certain group who appear to have an anti government anti authority vendetta. Pathetic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    We can't stop the spread of the flu. Stopping this is a pipe dream. The best thing they could have done was beefed up their emergency rooms and ICUs with beds, ventilators and other equipment so the rest of us could go on with our lives.

    Without mitigating measures Covid spread is exponential, our ability to scale ICU capacity is not.

    Not to mention that ending up in ICU is still a terrible outcome, even if people don't die in there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    Rodin wrote: »
    Quote your report.

    It isn't true that 50% of the national number of Covid patients got it in hospital.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115918588&postcount=5110


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Absolutely they will! People faced with a big fine will get a solicitor who will advise to go to court, but if faced with an amounts less than the cost of a solicitor, they’ll pay it !

    If every case was heard bigger fines could be handed out for sure, or the punishment may be a small contribution to the poor box instead. But the whole reason FPN’s were introduced in the first place was because the courts were getting overwhelmed with trivial things (mostly motoring offences at the time) and in order to clear backlogs just dismissed cases in huge numbers and focused on important things like criminal matters etc!

    So you can bet your ass that if our courts were under pressure and faced with 1000’s of cases, they’ll just dismiss a few hundred non violent cases to clear the back lot like they’ve done countless times in the past. Anyway, that’s all off topic but the reason FPN’s are low is because it’s deliberately an amount a person is likely to pay in lieu of going to court.

    At the end of the day they will be paying out money whether that be directly through the fixed charge penalty, through a court fine or through a solicitor`s fee. Better not to get themselves in that position in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Also you have those who don`t like it when their nonsense is called out and throw their toys out of the pram spewing out the "curtain twitcher" "lockdown merchant" etc comments and a certain group who appear to have an anti government anti authority vendetta. Pathetic.

    Yep, it’s a takeover I tell ya! Every single government around the world have decided to become communist simultaneously! No more civil liberties for us anymore. Personally I can’t wait to find out what job I get assigned for no pay, I’m sure it won’t be that bad!! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    It genuinely makes my blood boil, the selfish ignorance of facts, the inability to wear a mask ‘because they don’t work’ even though even the cheapest ones are proven to stop moisture escaping from peoples noses and mouths below the micron level that Covid would fix itself to.

    When this is all over, history will prove that the naysayers were the cause of a large percentage of deaths that therefore could have been avoided! All because ‘they wanna get on with their lives’

    I find it utterly sickening tbh.

    when you say people arent wearting a mask, where do you mean?

    i go to the shops every day, people in masks.
    i go to the park with kids every day, most people arent wearing a mask and keeps away from each other. perfectly fine.

    im constantly out of the house and have yet to wintess anything that deserves the kind of sour, scare mongering facebook type comments you see on this thread.

    MENTAL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Yep, it’s a takeover I tell ya! Every single government around the world have decided to become communist simultaneously! No more civil liberties for us anymore. Personally I can’t wait to find out what job I get assigned for no pay, I’m sure it won’t be that bad!! :)

    Seems like there are those who actually believe that rambling nonsense to be true. The same sort of mentality as the deluded Trump supporting loons. And we all saw what that led to in the Capitol building 2 weeks ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Totally agree. Remember Lockdown Part 1 when all of these amenities were actually closed off? The car park in the Glen of the Downs was closed Djouce woods closed Glendalough closed all Coillte car parks closed. Even the little car parks on Strand Rd were closed off. If they actually thought it would make a difference they would have done the same this time, but no. They don’t even believe in this lockdown themselves, they’re just going through the motions to be able to say “look we tried everything but the public are too stupid.......”

    no public jacks aren't open either :mad:

    the beaches are still busy - in fairness fcuk all else to do - but the jacks are locked, been caught short a few times myself on the beach also in city centre the twice i ventured in there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    paw patrol wrote: »
    no public jacks aren't open either :mad:

    the beaches are still busy - in fairness fcuk all else to do - but the jacks are locked, been caught short a few times myself on the beach also in city centre the twice i ventured in there.

    Ask yourself why that is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    when you say people arent wearting a mask, where do you mean?

    i go to the shops every day, people in masks.
    i go to the park with kids every day, most people arent wearing a mask and keeps away from each other. perfectly fine.

    im constantly out of the house and have yet to wintess anything that deserves the kind of sour, scare mongering facebook type comments you see on this thread.

    MENTAL

    I mistyped, should have read ‘inability to understand that wearing a mask’

    But thanks for the equally OTT response. And in my personal experience I HAVE seen people not wearing masks in supermarkets and shopping centres. I have also seen plenty of people that wear them only over their mouths leaving their nose on show.

    However that wasn’t the point I was making as cleared up in my first sentence.


  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2 days ago you didn`t think the "nonsense" as you dismiss it will be over soon.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115939964&postcount=9648

    So why have you flip flopped today?

    Ah, still upset that you had no argument earlier so you resorted to pints. Now resorting to looking through post history...

    It will be over soon. 2022 is still soon.


  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rodin wrote: »
    Quote your report.

    It isn't true that 50% of the national number of Covid patients got it in hospital.

    NPHET said so at the last presser.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Ah, still upset that you had no argument earlier so you resorted to pints. Now resorting to looking through post history...

    It will be over soon. 2022 is still soon.

    Not upset in the slightest. I know that i haven` t knowingly and selfishly contributed to causing the very serious situation the health service is in with hospitalisations and deaths as a result of contracting Covid in the community off the scale. How is your conscience today?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    2 days ago you didn`t think the "nonsense" as you dismiss it will be over soon.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115939964&postcount=9648

    So why have you flip flopped today?

    It's an awful look to be going through peoples posting history to score points.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,807 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    Not upset in the slightest. I know that i haven` t knowingly and selfishly contributed to causing the very serious situation the health service is in with hospitalisations and deaths as a result of contracting Covid in the community off the scale. How is your conscience today?

    This is the issue right here. You're automatically brandished as immoral for catching covid. It's assumed you must have done something wrong if you ever test positive. Why are people being treated like lepers?


  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not upset in the slightest. I know that i haven` t knowingly and selfishly contributed to causing the very serious situation the health service is in with hospitalisations and deaths as a result of contracting Covid in the community off the scale. How is your conscience today?

    My conscience is fine. Even if i caught Covid and unknowingly spread it it would still be fine.

    I didn’t create a mild respiratory illness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    My conscience is fine. Even if i caught Covid and unknowingly spread it it would still be fine.

    I didn’t create a mild respiratory illness.

    Is it just a mild respiratory illness for those that have suffered serious long term effects, have been hospitalised, have been put into ICU and have died from it. Or is it that your view is that these people are all "beyond their economic use"and shure they were on the way out anyway"? Open everything up and **** the vulnerable? Is that what you think should happen?


  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is it just a mild respiratory illness for those that have suffered serious long term effects, have been hospitalised, have been put into ICU and have died from it. Or is it that your view is that these people are all "beyond their economic use"and shure they were on the way out anyway"? Open everything up and **** the vulnerable? Is that what you think should happen?

    It is mild based on the stats. Go have a look at the overall number of known cases and the overall number of deaths. Factor in that we likely have way more cases than reported as the WHO stated.

    I’ve never seen anyone say “open everything up and f*ck the vulnerable “.

    But plenty of people have offered much better alternatives than staying locked up for months.

    Have a read through the threads, you’re good at searching through old posts ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,418 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Another health worker dies.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40209266.html

    Leaves behind a young family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    It is mild based on the stats. Go have a look at the overall number of known cases and the overall number of deaths. Factor in that we likely have way more cases than reported as the WHO stated.

    What about these stats? Outcome of each case isn't a binary metric of life or death, particularly among those who are hospitalized.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/health/Covid-survivors-longterm.html
    A new study — believed to be the largest so far in which doctors evaluated patients six months after they became ill — suggests that many people will experience lingering problems like fatigue, insomnia, depression, anxiety or diminished lung function.

    The study of 1,733 coronavirus patients who were discharged from a hospital in Wuhan, China, the original epicenter of the pandemic, found that more than three-quarters of them had at least one symptom six months later.
    [...]

    The most common issue was ongoing exhaustion or muscle weakness, experienced by 63 percent of the patients. About one-quarter of the patients reported difficulty sleeping and 23 percent said they experienced anxiety or depression.

    “It shows that a substantial portion of people, far higher than you would expect in the general population, are exhibiting symptoms that are having an impact,” said Dr. Steven Deeks, a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, who is leading a study on long-term coronavirus symptoms that will follow patients for up to two years. “And importantly, there’s no specific pathway, there’s multiple different outcomes that occur: mental health stuff and pulmonary stuff and quality-of-life stuff. This provides pretty solid confirmation for what we’re all are seeing.”

    [...]

    The study involved patients who were sick enough to be hospitalized, but in most cases were not the most severely debilitated. About 75 percent required supplemental oxygen when they were hospitalized, but the vast majority did not need ventilators or even high-flow nasal oxygen, a noninvasive method used in treating respiratory failure.

    [...]

    The researchers also found that some people who had normal kidney function when they were hospitalized showed indications of diminished kidney function months later.


    Diminished kidney function doesn't sound like a mild outcome to me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    It is mild based on the stats. Go have a look at the overall number of known cases and the overall number of deaths. Factor in that we likely have way more cases than reported as the WHO stated.

    I’ve never seen anyone say “open everything up and f*ck the vulnerable “.

    But plenty of people have offered much better alternatives than staying locked up for months.

    Have a read through the threads, you’re good at searching through old posts ;)
    I did just that and it didn`t take me long to come across this gem from you.

    Originally Posted by jacdaniel2014
    We don’t need lockdown. Yesterday included a large backlog of cases. Positive swabs yesterday was 698 off 13000+ tests.

    The cases are already levelling off before any lockdown.

    And festive season is ending in a few days anyways. Then dry January begins.

    We’ll be grand. Only 28 or something in ICU. What’s the panic?


    That turned out exactly as you thought it would didnt it...................not?

    And BTW I will continue to search through old posts if I see fit so carry on with your smart comments all you want lad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    paw patrol wrote: »
    fining people alone on a beach or having a swim isn't about health care or the state of the nation.
    It's just tokenism , some meaningless gesture to show the state are taking it seriously but does the square root of fcuk all to combat covid.

    No, its not.

    There is a 5Km rule, its not open to interpretation. If you go outside the 5KM radius then you are non-compliant. Whether your on your own, in an isolated place. Its there for a reason.

    She was stopped by the cops, told to go home, ignored what she was told and went for a walk on the beach. Then got caught again by the cops.


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