Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

FreudianSlippers · 14-01-2021 4:33pm

Don's pretty low on lawyers, at this point it'll probably be just Giuliani and some Saul Goodman type.

Hurrache · 14-01-2021 4:35pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

at this point it'll probably be just Giuliani and some Saul Goodman type.

Can't see it being Giulliani, reportedly Trump is refusing to pay him for his recent services.

Nody · 14-01-2021 4:37pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Can't see it being Giulliani, reportedly Trump is refusing to pay him for his recent services.

Well he's been charging over 15k USD a day and I don't think Trump finds that value for money when he's the one paying it :P

aloyisious · 14-01-2021 4:38pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Senate quorum is 51, but I'm honestly not sure how that would work in the case of an impeachment trial. Just looked it up and nothing stopping them from doing this.

The content in the following link sounds most unusual for a quorum procedure but....

Quorum - The number of senators that must be present for the Senate to do business. The Constitution requires a majority of senators (51) for a quorum. Often, fewer senators are actually present on the floor, but the Senate presumes that a quorum is present unless the contrary is shown by a roll call vote or quorum call.

https://www.cop.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/quorum.htm

AbusesToilets · 14-01-2021 4:38pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Clinton was a very good President in the grand scheme of things , broadly speaking he left the place in a much better state than when he arrived.

He was (and still is) not a particularly good/nice person though, mainly linked to his inability to keep it in his pants

Trump is an awful person who is leaving the country in an immeasurably worse place as well.

That's a bold statement Quin. What you judge him to have done to warrant that assessment?

Many of the issues US society, and the by extension the rest of the world, began under his adminstration.

FreudianSlippers · 14-01-2021 4:38pm

aloyisious wrote: »

Cam Kamala count as the 51st in the case of NO GOP members turning up to make a quorum?

The content in the following link sounds most unusual for a quorum procedure but....

Quorum - The number of senators that must be present for the Senate to do business. The Constitution requires a majority of senators (51) for a quorum. Often, fewer senators are actually present on the floor, but the Senate presumes that a quorum is present unless the contrary is shown by a roll call vote or quorum call.

https://www.cop.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/quorum.htm

I don't believe the President of the Senate counts.

FreudianSlippers · 14-01-2021 4:43pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I don't believe the President of the Senate counts.

Just checked the Senate rules there and it's clear that it's 51 Senators, so no she wouldn't count.

Quin_Dub · 14-01-2021 4:49pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

That's a bold statement Quin. What you judge him to have done to warrant that assessment?

Many of the issues US society, and the by extension the rest of the world, began under his adminstration.

It was a broad statement in terms of things like the deficit and employment. He had a number of important Foreign policy achievements as well.

He absolutely did things poorly and those are there for discussion.

But as I said , net net I think the US was better off after him than before.

Overheal · 14-01-2021 4:53pm

Won't need it. 48 Dems, 2 Dem-caucusing Independents, and at least 1 Senator who already convicted him once and would gladly do it again.

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51 Senators guaranteed.

Itssoeasy · 14-01-2021 4:53pm

The more details that I’m hearing about attack on the US capitol the more I’m thinking that not only was there massive encouragement of it, but direct help by people in the building. It seems panic buttons were removed(I’d never thought about panic buttons being in offices but it makes sense) which is a bit sinister and deliberate. There was congressman James clyburn who said the people went to a specific office of his. I’ve watched a few official videos of the capitol building and its not a small building and unless you knew where to go you’d be lost.

Overheal · 14-01-2021 4:55pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The more details that I’m hearing about attack on the US capitol the more I’m thinking that not only was there massive encouragement of it, but direct help by people in the building. It seems panic buttons were removed(I’d never thought about panic buttons being in offices but it makes sense) whic h is a bit sinister and deliberate. There was congressman James clyburn who said the people went to a specific office of his. I’ve watched a few official videos of the capitol building and its not a small building and unless you knew where to go you’d be lost.

You certainly haven't heard of any Republican offices being smashed up. They knew what they were at.

VinLieger · 14-01-2021 4:57pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The more details that I’m hearing about attack on the US capitol the more I’m thinking that not only was there massive encouragement of it, but direct help by people in the building. It seems panic buttons were removed(I’d never thought about panic buttons being in offices but it makes sense) whic h is a bit sinister and deliberate. There was congressman James clyburn who said the people went to a specific office of his. I’ve watched a few official videos of the capitol building and its not a small building and unless you knew where to go you’d be lost.

I saw a video yesterday where they are discussing the layout after having entered and how to get from A to B with scary levels detail that can only indicate ALOT of preparation.

prawnsambo · 14-01-2021 5:11pm

VinLieger wrote: »

I saw a video yesterday where they are discussing the layout after having entered and how to get from A to B with scary levels detail that can only indicate ALOT of preparation.

I also saw that one plus a congress person (ex-military helicopter pilot) who said she saw people being shown around the Capitol by another congress person on the 5th. This when all visits to the Capitol are off due to Covid. Members of congress can and do have visitors, but what she said she saw looked almost like a tour group.

Carfacemandog · 14-01-2021 5:14pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

That's a bold statement Quin. What you judge him to have done to warrant that assessment?

Many of the issues US society, and the by extension the rest of the world, began under his adminstration.

Actually they started under Raegan for the most part. The only reason the 'corporate democrats' like Clinton that republican voters claim to despise ever so much (while also claiming they and the republicans they vote for are 'all the same' whenever its convenient) is because as soon as the Baby Boomer generation became the dominant voting bloc in the 1980s, they point blank refused and rejected anything that else.

That generation completely fcuked that country possibly beyond all repair, which makes the fact that they are the children of the "greatest generation" (under whom America became the global superpower it is today, in huge part thanks to extensive socialist policies on both sides of the aisle, most notably FDRs New Deal and Eisenhowers Interstate System) very, very ironic.

Hurrache · 14-01-2021 5:17pm

Members of congress have actually asked the security in the Capitol to investigate and report on the government members that brought in groups for a tour in the days leading up to it. Staff of Bob Wood, Virginia rep, apparently took part in the riot.

14-01-2021 5:25pm

Nody wrote: »

Well he's been charging over 15k USD a day and I don't think Trump finds that value for money when he's the one paying it :P

It was pointed out on CNN yesterday that there was an obvious absence of Guiliani on the news in the past week. Before the last impeachment he was on constantly defending the actions of Trump but since last wednesday his absence was almost deafening.

If he was my lawyer I'd be uninclined to pay him as well.

Itssoeasy · 14-01-2021 5:25pm

VinLieger wrote: »

I saw a video yesterday where they are discussing the layout after having entered and how to get from A to B with scary levels detail that can only indicate ALOT of preparation.

I didn’t see that video. Well they does kind of point even more to it being planned and not a case of “what’s down this hallway” random attack. Also, the fact that had poles and stuff with them to use as weapons does point to them not just deciding on the spur of the moment to do this. That organiser of the stop the steal protest dropped the three GOP lads in it by saying he had direct help from them. Now if he can back that up with messages then the three lads will have some serious trouble.

Itssoeasy · 14-01-2021 5:27pm

Overheal wrote: »

You certainly haven't heard of any Republican offices being smashed up. They knew what they were at.

Now that you say it I didn't hear of any either.

aloyisious · 14-01-2021 5:33pm

The U.S ambassador to NATO thanked the Congress [both parts] and Mike Pence for doing what their duty required them to do after the attack on the Capitol. No mention at all of the president in her short statement on CNN.

Hurrache · 14-01-2021 5:33pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I didn’t see that video. Well they does kind of point even more to it being planned and not a case of “what’s down this hallway” random attack. Also, the fact that had poles and stuff with them to use as weapons does point to them not just deciding on the spur of the moment to do this. That organiser of the stop the steal protest dropped the three GOP lads in it by saying he had direct help from them. Now if he can back that up with messages then the three lads will have some serious trouble.

Police in the Capitol themselves have said they believe there was inside help, and I'll well believe it. Senator Hawley gave the rioters a fist pump as he entered the Capitol building, 2 Virginia cops are on federal charges for their participation and others, including sheriffs and a police chief, are being investigated as they were believed to have attended.

prawnsambo · 14-01-2021 5:49pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I didn’t see that video. Well they does kind of point even more to it being planned and not a case of “what’s down this hallway” random attack. Also, the fact that had poles and stuff with them to use as weapons does point to them not just deciding on the spur of the moment to do this. That organiser of the stop the steal protest dropped the three GOP lads in it by saying he had direct help from them. Now if he can back that up with messages then the three lads will have some serious trouble.

He's on the run apparently.

Here's the video (I think) he's referring to. The woman with the bullhorn seems very organised.

Overheal · 14-01-2021 5:50pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Now that you say it I didn't hear of any either.

And if it did happen they wouldn't be able to shut up about it, they are desperate to both-sides this.

spacecoyote · 14-01-2021 5:53pm

Re quorum, Covid probably gives them a ready made excuse to not show up.

Pile of Rep senators state that they are close contacts and have to isolate so wont be able to attend to vote?

VinLieger · 14-01-2021 6:33pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

He's on the run apparently.

Here's the video (I think) he's referring to. The woman with the bullhorn seems very organised.

Yup thats the one, shes been through there recently without a doubt

VinLieger · 14-01-2021 7:00pm

VinLieger wrote: »

LOL just give it five minutes for them to pivot to explain its because hes under duress from the rest of the GOP, being bribed or its just a deepfake

Well there it is.... he was using Morse code

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epdmqj/qanon-is-so-desperate-it-thinks-trump-spoke-to-them-in-morse-code?utm_source=reddit.com

Carfacemandog · 14-01-2021 7:05pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

He's on the run apparently.

Here's the video (I think) he's referring to. The woman with the bullhorn seems very organised.

Ayanna "Squad member" Presley also noted the panic buttons in her office had been ripped out on the night before/morning of Jan 6th, quite a bold claim but chilling if true.

And today democrats have roundly pointed out and demanded an investigation into the suspiciously high number of guided tours through the building on January 5th... something which has been somewhat on pause since March of last year due to covid.

https://twitter.com/RepSherrill/status/1349439821060702215

Itssoeasy · 14-01-2021 8:18pm

The DOJ have let it be known in some filing that if you had your phone on while trespassing at the US capitol, they will be able to find out so you can say one thing but your phone may shop you.

Manic Moran · 14-01-2021 8:28pm

aloyisious wrote: »

On a security at the Capitol report, metal detectors are apparently being set up to detect if guns are being brought into the building by congresspersons and senators. A story was on public platforms last week that a newly elected member of the house, Rep Lauren Boebert [R], planned to bring a "carry-permit" Glock pistol into the house. Apparently she's a gun-rights proponent and doesn't like the Covid-19 health regulations either, deliberately opening her restaurant during a stay-at-home restriction period ordered in her state.

Carriage of firearms in the Capitol Building is authorised. Carriage in the legislative chambers themselves is not authorised. There has thus far been no indication that any legislators have either carried, or attempted to carry, in the chambers. A number of Congressmen are armed outside the chambers. (Rules for thee but not for me, again. Average citizens may not be. Too many politicians forget that they are part of the citizenry)

Itssoeasy wrote: »

There will be at least four times the number of national guard in Afghanistan in Washington DC for the inauguration on January 20th. That’s mad to think about.

On the plus side, it means we no longer have as many troops in Afghanistan any more. My unit's training is certainly focusing on... other areas of the world.

strandroad wrote: »

Are they screening such new troops for Qanon etc leanings I wonder?

Not per se, though apparently more attention is being placed in that direction. That said, the Joint Chiefs took a very rare step of blasting out a joint-signed statement on the military's position in the transfer of power, and the chain made damned sure it got to everybody. I got it through three different emails, FB and an app.

aloyisious · 14-01-2021 9:02pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Carriage of firearms in the Capitol Building is authorised. Carriage in the legislative chambers themselves is not authorised. There has thus far been no indication that any legislators have either carried, or attempted to carry, in the chambers. A number of Congressmen are armed outside the chambers. (Rules for thee but not for me, again. Average citizens may not be. Too many politicians forget that they are part of the citizenry)

i was thinking about the composite material of pistols when it comes to the detectors [hers being a Glock] and presumable required listing on members records of fire-arms permits which would obviate need for walking through for weapon detection. Just be upfront and not make a hoohah except to create an incident or attention seeking. All really useless without compulsory baggage check anyway, hand or X-ray.

josip · 14-01-2021 9:19pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The DOJ have let it be known in some filing that if you had your phone on while trespassing at the US capitol, they will be able to find out so you can say one thing but your phone may shop you.

And ever if your phone doesn't, your ex-wife might

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55626148

prawnsambo · 14-01-2021 9:22pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The DOJ have let it be known in some filing that if you had your phone on while trespassing at the US capitol, they will be able to find out so you can say one thing but your phone may shop you.

Afaik, they have cell repeaters in the building as some of the areas are black spots. That kit will obviously be able to track phones and the admins there would have instant access to it. And then there's the WiFi AP systems. The really good ones have scary granularity and lots of helpful web pages. A lot of it is cloud controlled, so there's no danger of losing your logs if somebody destroys the equipment.

Hurrache · 14-01-2021 9:33pm

josip wrote: »

And ever if your phone doesn't, your ex-wife might

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55626148

Or another family member. A girl gave details of her mother and grandmother after she saw then at it.

FatherTed · 14-01-2021 9:53pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Carriage of firearms in the Capitol Building is authorised. Carriage in the legislative chambers themselves is not authorised. There has thus far been no indication that any legislators have either carried, or attempted to carry, in the chambers. A number of Congressmen are armed outside the chambers. (Rules for thee but not for me, again. Average citizens may not be. Too many politicians forget that they are part of the citizenry)

....

Actually Boebert refused to have her bag searched by Capitol police going into the House Chambers and she has said he carries her precious glock with her into the Capitol.

She's the darling of the folks who caused the destruction and killed a Capitol police officer last week. I just wonder if she had been with Pelosi and the hehaws confronted them, would she have pulled her glock out to protect Pelosi or helped them?

Manic Moran · 14-01-2021 9:55pm

aloyisious wrote: »

i was thinking about the composite material of pistols when it comes to the detectors [hers being a Glock] and presumable required listing on members records of fire-arms permits which would obviate need for walking through for weapon detection. Just be upfront and not make a hoohah except to create an incident or attention seeking. All really useless without compulsory baggage check anyway, hand or X-ray.

Unless they are very fragile, plastic, one-shot things like the cast resin .22 or, these days, a 3D printed gun, they will show up on a metal detector. There's plenty enough metal in a modern polymer-framed firearm.

Actually Boebert refused to have her bag searched by Capitol police going into the House Chambers and she has said he carries her precious glock with her into the Capitol.

Again, authorised, no indication of carriage in the legislative chamber. Unless a search is mandatory and not voluntary, a refusal to be searched merely may be standing on a matter of principle, much like denying a cop permission to search your vehicle during a traffic stop.

FatherTed · 14-01-2021 9:57pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Can't see it being Giulliani, reportedly Trump is refusing to pay him for his recent services.

Praying its Rudy. Here he is on Bannon's podcast saying it was all Antifa. And says it was a group of Antifa guys who pushed Ashli Babbitt through the door and was promptly shot by SS/Capitol Police. Even Bannon thinks he's crazy.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-653-pandemic-stand-freedom-w-raheem-kassam-rudy/id1485351658?i=1000505247881

Water John · 14-01-2021 10:04pm

FatherTed wrote: »

Actually Boebert refused to have her bag searched by Capitol police going into the House Chambers and she has said he carries her precious glock with her into the Capitol.

She's the darling of the folks who caused the destruction and killed a Capitol police officer last week. I just wonder if she had been with Pelosi and the hehaws confronted them, would she have pulled her glock out to protect Pelosi or helped them?

The Dems were afraid that some of the GOP Reps in the safe rooms would betray where they were.

FatherTed · 14-01-2021 10:04pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Unless they are very fragile, plastic, one-shot things like the cast resin .22 or, these days, a 3D printed gun, they will show up on a metal detector. There's plenty enough metal in a modern polymer-framed firearm.

Again, authorised, no indication of carriage in the legislative chamber. Unless a search is mandatory and not voluntary, a refusal to be searched merely may be standing on a matter of principle, much like denying a cop permission to search your vehicle during a traffic stop.

So much for Back the Blue the right-wingers keep yapping on about.

So you're saying if I'm invited by my congressman Jim Himes to the gallery of the House of Representatives that I can refuse a search of my bag on principle? Brilliant.

BonnieSituation · 14-01-2021 10:09pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Ayanna "Squad member" Presley also noted the panic buttons in her office had been ripped out on the night before/morning of Jan 6th, quite a bold claim but chilling if true.

And today democrats have roundly pointed out and demanded an investigation into the suspiciously high number of guided tours through the building on January 5th... something which has been somewhat on pause since March of last year due to covid.

https://twitter.com/RepSherrill/status/1349439821060702215

I mean, I know its just a couple of tweets but it seems a bit, how would you say, on the nose?

https://twitter.com/usanomoretrump/status/1349571945566760961

The mind boggles.

Itssoeasy · 14-01-2021 10:11pm

Water John wrote: »

The Dems were afraid that some of the GOP Reps in the safe rooms would betray where they were.

Well that new female congresswoman tried her best to get pelosi found. I did see that some representatives have changed their route to the capitol and within the building. At least one has bought a bullet proof vest which is just ****ing nuts. It’s like a less funny real life version of the terminator films where the trump base is skynet.

FatherTed · 14-01-2021 10:15pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I mean, I know its just a couple of tweets but it seems a bit, how would you say, on the nose?

https://twitter.com/usanomoretrump/status/1349571945566760961

The mind boggles.

The photo in the tweet is from last year.

Manic Moran · 14-01-2021 10:32pm

FatherTed wrote: »

So much for Back the Blue the right-wingers keep yapping on about.

So you're saying if I'm invited by my congressman Jim Himes to the gallery of the House of Representatives that I can refuse a search of my bag on principle? Brilliant.

At the entrance to the gallery? Possibly, I'm unaware of the regulatory/legal environment once actually inside the building. Good luck getting past the metal detector at the entrance to the building, though. Metal detectors have been there for us non-Congressional-types for about 50 years, and that is non-discretionary.

One may 'back the blue' whilst still retaining your fourth amendment rights.

Christy42 · 14-01-2021 10:41pm

FatherTed wrote: »

Actually Boebert refused to have her bag searched by Capitol police going into the House Chambers and she has said he carries her precious glock with her into the Capitol.

She's the darling of the folks who caused the destruction and killed a Capitol police officer last week. I just wonder if she had been with Pelosi and the hehaws confronted them, would she have pulled her glock out to protect Pelosi or helped them?

She is happy to go with dog whistles but I strongly suspect she will avoid anything flat out breaking the rules herself. She wants those votes, if a few of them get arrested thinking she is leading the charge. Oh well, no big deal.

aloyisious · 14-01-2021 11:38pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

At the entrance to the gallery? Possibly, I'm unaware of the regulatory/legal environment once actually inside the building. Good luck getting past the metal detector at the entrance to the building, though. Metal detectors have been there for us non-Congressional-types for about 50 years, and that is non-discretionary.

One may 'back the blue' whilst still retaining your fourth amendment rights.

There's no real point in us arguing with her position but if it backfires on her with another member following her inspiration choosing to carry also in the belief of being unsafe without a pistol despite the CPD security, well...

Getting back to the vote issue at the trial, if Mitch shows up and signals how to vote by either voting AYE or abstaining [in or out of the chamber] the image will have immediate significance for the other GOP senators and huge for the nation.

BonnieSituation · 14-01-2021 11:41pm

FatherTed wrote: »

The photo in the tweet is from last year.

The one of Boebert?

But doesn't it show regardless of when she was leading these peopenon a tour that 1. she did lead these people on a tour and 2. that people on that tour were arrested for their part in last week's madness?

listermint · 14-01-2021 11:51pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

At the entrance to the gallery? Possibly, I'm unaware of the regulatory/legal environment once actually inside the building. Good luck getting past the metal detector at the entrance to the building, though. Metal detectors have been there for us non-Congressional-types for about 50 years, and that is non-discretionary.

One may 'back the blue' whilst still retaining your fourth amendment rights.

True, it appears they did indeed back the blue. Hitting one on the back with pipes and sticks whilst he was face down on the steps of the legislature.

It's a convenient moniker until it's not.

aloyisious · 14-01-2021 11:54pm

FatherTed wrote: »

The photo in the tweet is from last year.

If so, is it truly an image of her leading a tour around the Capitol way before she was elected and sworn in at the Congress Capitol very recently with the other green congresspersons? Her job was as owner & manager of a rifle-friendly restaurant before her election.

FatherTed · 15-01-2021 12:20am

aloyisious wrote: »

If so, is it truly an image of her leading a tour around the Capitol way before she was elected and sworn in at the Congress Capitol very recently with the other green congresspersons? Her job was as owner & manager of a rifle-friendly restaurant before her election.

Lol I’m no fan of that racist nut job, I was just pointing out the picture was not of a tour she gave last week. And indeed her tweets indicating Pelosi’s movements during the insurrection are very questionable and probably will be investigated.

FatherTed · 15-01-2021 12:39am

Manic Moran wrote: »

At the entrance to the gallery? Possibly, I'm unaware of the regulatory/legal environment once actually inside the building. Good luck getting past the metal detector at the entrance to the building, though. Metal detectors have been there for us non-Congressional-types for about 50 years, and that is non-discretionary.

One may 'back the blue' whilst still retaining your fourth amendment rights.

The Sargent at arms said guns are only allowed in representatives offices, not for carrying around Willy nilly,

And please spare us the fourth amendment and second amendment crap. Blue lives matter only matter when it’s POC are being asked to comply by the police. If a black kid refuses to open his bag for the police and he goes on about the fourth amendment, he’d last about 5 seconds.

aloyisious · 15-01-2021 1:12am

FatherTed wrote: »

Praying its Rudy. Here he is on Bannon's podcast saying it was all Antifa. And says it was a group of Antifa guys who pushed Ashli Babbitt through the door and was promptly shot by SS/Capitol Police. Even Bannon thinks he's crazy.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-653-pandemic-stand-freedom-w-raheem-kassam-rudy/id1485351658?i=1000505247881

It'd be a shame for some-one with a mayoral history like his got way out of his depth with Trump. It could be a sign of an illness that goes with age.

On the retirement of Trump issue, Bloomberg's Sky channel is running a story [on it's rolling scroll-down top-news sidebar] that he plans to retire to Mar-a- lago and keep on some of his present White House staff in his employ there. I'll believe it when I see it. Bloomberg is also reporting on it that NYC prosecutors want to interview Don Jnr.

Manic Moran · 15-01-2021 1:17am

FatherTed wrote: »

The Sargent at arms said guns are only allowed in representatives offices, not for carrying around Willy nilly,

It seems the regulations may state otherwise.

https://www.axios.com/scoop-pistol-packing-freshmen-prompt-congress-gun-review-d115b85f-d830-48be-9e8e-59f5dbe222a5.html

There's a ban on carrying them into the House and Senate chambers, the Speaker's Lobby just off the House floor, as well as other rooms around either chamber, according to a Capitol Police Board document from 1967.

Or if we go back to 2018...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-democrats-look-to-roll-back-little-known-rule-allowing-guns-in-the-capitol/2018/12/05/85966172-f71f-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html
House Democrats are looking to roll back a little-known, five-decade-old Capitol Hill regulation that allows members of Congress to keep guns in their offices and carry them around the Capitol grounds.

If the document is silent about all places other than those specifically declared off-limits, then it is reasonable to presume that the other places are lawful, willy-nilly or otherwise.

And please spare us the fourth amendment and second amendment crap. Blue lives matter only matter when it’s POC are being asked to comply by the police. If a black kid refuses to open his bag for the police and he goes on about the fourth amendment, he’d last about 5 seconds.

This is being said from a position of ignorance at best. It has always been a position of conservatives that in police interactions to be polite, but to firmly rely upon any individual rights. Go back easily ten years on internet fora, the refrain has always been in police interaction to say as little as necessary, ask "am I free to go" as soon as reasonable, and to deny permission to search. The theory being that an individual right is useless if routinely waived.

Actually, the advice, now I'm looking, is similar to what the NAACP suggests. https://www.naacp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Racial_Profiling_Know_Your_Rights_Supplement_6-12-12.pdf

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