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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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VinLieger

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The more details that I’m hearing about attack on the US capitol the more I’m thinking that not only was there massive encouragement of it, but direct help by people in the building. It seems panic buttons were removed(I’d never thought about panic buttons being in offices but it makes sense) whic h is a bit sinister and deliberate. There was congressman James clyburn who said the people went to a specific office of his. I’ve watched a few official videos of the capitol building and its not a small building and unless you knew where to go you’d be lost.

I saw a video yesterday where they are discussing the layout after having entered and how to get from A to B with scary levels detail that can only indicate ALOT of preparation.

prawnsambo

VinLieger wrote: »

I saw a video yesterday where they are discussing the layout after having entered and how to get from A to B with scary levels detail that can only indicate ALOT of preparation.

I also saw that one plus a congress person (ex-military helicopter pilot) who said she saw people being shown around the Capitol by another congress person on the 5th. This when all visits to the Capitol are off due to Covid. Members of congress can and do have visitors, but what she said she saw looked almost like a tour group.

Carfacemandog

AbusesToilets wrote: »

That's a bold statement Quin. What you judge him to have done to warrant that assessment?

Many of the issues US society, and the by extension the rest of the world, began under his adminstration.

Actually they started under Raegan for the most part. The only reason the 'corporate democrats' like Clinton that republican voters claim to despise ever so much (while also claiming they and the republicans they vote for are 'all the same' whenever its convenient) is because as soon as the Baby Boomer generation became the dominant voting bloc in the 1980s, they point blank refused and rejected anything that else.

That generation completely fcuked that country possibly beyond all repair, which makes the fact that they are the children of the "greatest generation" (under whom America became the global superpower it is today, in huge part thanks to extensive socialist policies on both sides of the aisle, most notably FDRs New Deal and Eisenhowers Interstate System) very, very ironic.

Hurrache

Members of congress have actually asked the security in the Capitol to investigate and report on the government members that brought in groups for a tour in the days leading up to it. Staff of Bob Wood, Virginia rep, apparently took part in the riot.

[Deleted User]

Nody wrote: »

Well he's been charging over 15k USD a day and I don't think Trump finds that value for money when he's the one paying it :P

It was pointed out on CNN yesterday that there was an obvious absence of Guiliani on the news in the past week. Before the last impeachment he was on constantly defending the actions of Trump but since last wednesday his absence was almost deafening.

If he was my lawyer I'd be uninclined to pay him as well.

Itssoeasy

VinLieger wrote: »

I saw a video yesterday where they are discussing the layout after having entered and how to get from A to B with scary levels detail that can only indicate ALOT of preparation.

I didn’t see that video. Well they does kind of point even more to it being planned and not a case of “what’s down this hallway” random attack. Also, the fact that had poles and stuff with them to use as weapons does point to them not just deciding on the spur of the moment to do this. That organiser of the stop the steal protest dropped the three GOP lads in it by saying he had direct help from them. Now if he can back that up with messages then the three lads will have some serious trouble.

Itssoeasy

Overheal wrote: »

You certainly haven't heard of any Republican offices being smashed up. They knew what they were at.

Now that you say it I didn't hear of any either.

aloyisious

The U.S ambassador to NATO thanked the Congress [both parts] and Mike Pence for doing what their duty required them to do after the attack on the Capitol. No mention at all of the president in her short statement on CNN.

Hurrache

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I didn’t see that video. Well they does kind of point even more to it being planned and not a case of “what’s down this hallway” random attack. Also, the fact that had poles and stuff with them to use as weapons does point to them not just deciding on the spur of the moment to do this. That organiser of the stop the steal protest dropped the three GOP lads in it by saying he had direct help from them. Now if he can back that up with messages then the three lads will have some serious trouble.

Police in the Capitol themselves have said they believe there was inside help, and I'll well believe it. Senator Hawley gave the rioters a fist pump as he entered the Capitol building, 2 Virginia cops are on federal charges for their participation and others, including sheriffs and a police chief, are being investigated as they were believed to have attended.

prawnsambo

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I didn’t see that video. Well they does kind of point even more to it being planned and not a case of “what’s down this hallway” random attack. Also, the fact that had poles and stuff with them to use as weapons does point to them not just deciding on the spur of the moment to do this. That organiser of the stop the steal protest dropped the three GOP lads in it by saying he had direct help from them. Now if he can back that up with messages then the three lads will have some serious trouble.

He's on the run apparently.

Here's the video (I think) he's referring to. The woman with the bullhorn seems very organised.

Overheal

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Now that you say it I didn't hear of any either.

And if it did happen they wouldn't be able to shut up about it, they are desperate to both-sides this.

spacecoyote

Re quorum, Covid probably gives them a ready made excuse to not show up.

Pile of Rep senators state that they are close contacts and have to isolate so wont be able to attend to vote?

VinLieger

prawnsambo wrote: »

He's on the run apparently.

Here's the video (I think) he's referring to. The woman with the bullhorn seems very organised.

Yup thats the one, shes been through there recently without a doubt

VinLieger

VinLieger wrote: »

LOL just give it five minutes for them to pivot to explain its because hes under duress from the rest of the GOP, being bribed or its just a deepfake

Well there it is.... he was using Morse code

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epdmqj/qanon-is-so-desperate-it-thinks-trump-spoke-to-them-in-morse-code?utm_source=reddit.com

Carfacemandog

prawnsambo wrote: »

He's on the run apparently.

Here's the video (I think) he's referring to. The woman with the bullhorn seems very organised.

Ayanna "Squad member" Presley also noted the panic buttons in her office had been ripped out on the night before/morning of Jan 6th, quite a bold claim but chilling if true.

And today democrats have roundly pointed out and demanded an investigation into the suspiciously high number of guided tours through the building on January 5th... something which has been somewhat on pause since March of last year due to covid.

https://twitter.com/RepSherrill/status/1349439821060702215

Itssoeasy

The DOJ have let it be known in some filing that if you had your phone on while trespassing at the US capitol, they will be able to find out so you can say one thing but your phone may shop you.

Manic Moran

aloyisious wrote: »

On a security at the Capitol report, metal detectors are apparently being set up to detect if guns are being brought into the building by congresspersons and senators. A story was on public platforms last week that a newly elected member of the house, Rep Lauren Boebert [R], planned to bring a "carry-permit" Glock pistol into the house. Apparently she's a gun-rights proponent and doesn't like the Covid-19 health regulations either, deliberately opening her restaurant during a stay-at-home restriction period ordered in her state.

Carriage of firearms in the Capitol Building is authorised. Carriage in the legislative chambers themselves is not authorised. There has thus far been no indication that any legislators have either carried, or attempted to carry, in the chambers. A number of Congressmen are armed outside the chambers. (Rules for thee but not for me, again. Average citizens may not be. Too many politicians forget that they are part of the citizenry)

Itssoeasy wrote: »

There will be at least four times the number of national guard in Afghanistan in Washington DC for the inauguration on January 20th. That’s mad to think about.

On the plus side, it means we no longer have as many troops in Afghanistan any more. My unit's training is certainly focusing on... other areas of the world.

strandroad wrote: »

Are they screening such new troops for Qanon etc leanings I wonder?

Not per se, though apparently more attention is being placed in that direction. That said, the Joint Chiefs took a very rare step of blasting out a joint-signed statement on the military's position in the transfer of power, and the chain made damned sure it got to everybody. I got it through three different emails, FB and an app.

aloyisious

Manic Moran wrote: »

Carriage of firearms in the Capitol Building is authorised. Carriage in the legislative chambers themselves is not authorised. There has thus far been no indication that any legislators have either carried, or attempted to carry, in the chambers. A number of Congressmen are armed outside the chambers. (Rules for thee but not for me, again. Average citizens may not be. Too many politicians forget that they are part of the citizenry)

i was thinking about the composite material of pistols when it comes to the detectors [hers being a Glock] and presumable required listing on members records of fire-arms permits which would obviate need for walking through for weapon detection. Just be upfront and not make a hoohah except to create an incident or attention seeking. All really useless without compulsory baggage check anyway, hand or X-ray.

josip

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The DOJ have let it be known in some filing that if you had your phone on while trespassing at the US capitol, they will be able to find out so you can say one thing but your phone may shop you.

And ever if your phone doesn't, your ex-wife might

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55626148

prawnsambo

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The DOJ have let it be known in some filing that if you had your phone on while trespassing at the US capitol, they will be able to find out so you can say one thing but your phone may shop you.

Afaik, they have cell repeaters in the building as some of the areas are black spots. That kit will obviously be able to track phones and the admins there would have instant access to it. And then there's the WiFi AP systems. The really good ones have scary granularity and lots of helpful web pages. A lot of it is cloud controlled, so there's no danger of losing your logs if somebody destroys the equipment.

Hurrache

josip wrote: »

And ever if your phone doesn't, your ex-wife might

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55626148

Or another family member. A girl gave details of her mother and grandmother after she saw then at it.

FatherTed

Manic Moran wrote: »

Carriage of firearms in the Capitol Building is authorised. Carriage in the legislative chambers themselves is not authorised. There has thus far been no indication that any legislators have either carried, or attempted to carry, in the chambers. A number of Congressmen are armed outside the chambers. (Rules for thee but not for me, again. Average citizens may not be. Too many politicians forget that they are part of the citizenry)

....

Actually Boebert refused to have her bag searched by Capitol police going into the House Chambers and she has said he carries her precious glock with her into the Capitol.

She's the darling of the folks who caused the destruction and killed a Capitol police officer last week. I just wonder if she had been with Pelosi and the hehaws confronted them, would she have pulled her glock out to protect Pelosi or helped them?

Manic Moran

aloyisious wrote: »

i was thinking about the composite material of pistols when it comes to the detectors [hers being a Glock] and presumable required listing on members records of fire-arms permits which would obviate need for walking through for weapon detection. Just be upfront and not make a hoohah except to create an incident or attention seeking. All really useless without compulsory baggage check anyway, hand or X-ray.

Unless they are very fragile, plastic, one-shot things like the cast resin .22 or, these days, a 3D printed gun, they will show up on a metal detector. There's plenty enough metal in a modern polymer-framed firearm.

Actually Boebert refused to have her bag searched by Capitol police going into the House Chambers and she has said he carries her precious glock with her into the Capitol.

Again, authorised, no indication of carriage in the legislative chamber. Unless a search is mandatory and not voluntary, a refusal to be searched merely may be standing on a matter of principle, much like denying a cop permission to search your vehicle during a traffic stop.

FatherTed

Hurrache wrote: »

Can't see it being Giulliani, reportedly Trump is refusing to pay him for his recent services.

Praying its Rudy. Here he is on Bannon's podcast saying it was all Antifa. And says it was a group of Antifa guys who pushed Ashli Babbitt through the door and was promptly shot by SS/Capitol Police. Even Bannon thinks he's crazy.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-653-pandemic-stand-freedom-w-raheem-kassam-rudy/id1485351658?i=1000505247881

Water John

FatherTed wrote: »

Actually Boebert refused to have her bag searched by Capitol police going into the House Chambers and she has said he carries her precious glock with her into the Capitol.

She's the darling of the folks who caused the destruction and killed a Capitol police officer last week. I just wonder if she had been with Pelosi and the hehaws confronted them, would she have pulled her glock out to protect Pelosi or helped them?

The Dems were afraid that some of the GOP Reps in the safe rooms would betray where they were.

FatherTed

Manic Moran wrote: »

Unless they are very fragile, plastic, one-shot things like the cast resin .22 or, these days, a 3D printed gun, they will show up on a metal detector. There's plenty enough metal in a modern polymer-framed firearm.

Again, authorised, no indication of carriage in the legislative chamber. Unless a search is mandatory and not voluntary, a refusal to be searched merely may be standing on a matter of principle, much like denying a cop permission to search your vehicle during a traffic stop.

So much for Back the Blue the right-wingers keep yapping on about.

So you're saying if I'm invited by my congressman Jim Himes to the gallery of the House of Representatives that I can refuse a search of my bag on principle? Brilliant.

BonnieSituation

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Ayanna "Squad member" Presley also noted the panic buttons in her office had been ripped out on the night before/morning of Jan 6th, quite a bold claim but chilling if true.

And today democrats have roundly pointed out and demanded an investigation into the suspiciously high number of guided tours through the building on January 5th... something which has been somewhat on pause since March of last year due to covid.

https://twitter.com/RepSherrill/status/1349439821060702215

I mean, I know its just a couple of tweets but it seems a bit, how would you say, on the nose?

https://twitter.com/usanomoretrump/status/1349571945566760961

The mind boggles.

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

The Dems were afraid that some of the GOP Reps in the safe rooms would betray where they were.

Well that new female congresswoman tried her best to get pelosi found. I did see that some representatives have changed their route to the capitol and within the building. At least one has bought a bullet proof vest which is just ****ing nuts. It’s like a less funny real life version of the terminator films where the trump base is skynet.

FatherTed

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I mean, I know its just a couple of tweets but it seems a bit, how would you say, on the nose?

https://twitter.com/usanomoretrump/status/1349571945566760961

The mind boggles.

The photo in the tweet is from last year.

Manic Moran

FatherTed wrote: »

So much for Back the Blue the right-wingers keep yapping on about.

So you're saying if I'm invited by my congressman Jim Himes to the gallery of the House of Representatives that I can refuse a search of my bag on principle? Brilliant.

At the entrance to the gallery? Possibly, I'm unaware of the regulatory/legal environment once actually inside the building. Good luck getting past the metal detector at the entrance to the building, though. Metal detectors have been there for us non-Congressional-types for about 50 years, and that is non-discretionary.

One may 'back the blue' whilst still retaining your fourth amendment rights.