Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Suckit · 10-01-2021 11:15PM

elperello wrote: »

Here's another good one, they actually have two bars. One is for members only where they don't have to mix with visitors.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/foi/frequently-requested-information/dail-bar-and-restaurant-information/

Had heard that before (only releatively recently), but forgot, and was mainly meaning the bill. It is nuts though, They should just fill a Dail debit card at the start of each year, like one of the Dublin Gift cards or Dundrum SC etc.
The stupid money they are on, how hard can it be to top up a card with a couple of weeks wages.

Anyway, gone a bit OT.
The craft beers and import beers that will be increased in price or less affordable as a result of this is achieving nothing.
This whole thing needs a big push back. Bending to small groups under the shite that it's for our health or to help the pubs, utter nonsense.

11-01-2021 10:49AM

kerryjack wrote: »

All pubs in my village are all so called wet pubs, so no pub opened, as a young buck you could spend all sunday on the beer and call to 5 pubs but you won't even get a sandwich and that was a recipe for disaster. If you went to France every little pub does a bit of food some basic enough, I think every pub should have some bit of food to offer and we should make a connection between food and alcohol. Pizza, toasted sandwiches chips are all handy enough done but publicans are just too lazy to be arsed, its away easier to blame supermarkets and drink driving for there demise.

When the first lockdown was lifted I went to Blackrock for a walk and some shopping, on the way home there was a sign in a pub window, "Substantial meal of cocktail sausages and chips", and I thought that and a pint would hit the spot nicely. I went in, stood at the bar and got ignored by the barman for a few minutes. Eventually caught his attention and told him my order....

Him: It's 10 to 9, we're closing at 9.
Me: But under the new restrictions you're allowed open til 11.
Him: But the kitchen closes at 9 and I can't stay open if the kitchen is closed.

I remember thinking, "He's been forced to close for weeks, he's now allowed open, would he not ask the chef to give him a crash course in how to work the deep fat fryer, or pay the chef to stay a little longer?". Yet another example of either laziness or lack of imagination in a barman.

Shelflife · 11-01-2021 11:19AM

elperello wrote: »

You may be confusing MUP with the measures coming in tomorrow.

MUP will introduce a base price below which drink cannot be sold thus making cheaper drink more expensive.

From tomorrow special offers and vouchers will be banned which will potentially affect all drink.

Special offers arent banned but multibuy promotions which incentivises people to buy more alcohol is.

Eg You can no longer sell Lomza at €1.50 per single bottle and 4 for €5. but theres nothing to stop a business from selling the Lomza at €1.25.

Thelonious Monk · 11-01-2021 11:21AM

Most cans these days are sold in mutlipacks anyway, so at least not much change there, apart from the craft 440ml cans which are ridiculous prices anyway.

SeeMoreBut · 11-01-2021 11:29AM

Shelflife wrote: »

Special offers arent banned but multibuy promotions which incentivises people to buy more alcohol is.

Eg You can no longer sell Lomza at €1.50 per single bottle and 4 for €5. but theres nothing to stop a business from selling the Lomza at €1.25.

I assume shops will just sell multipacks going forward of 8, 12, 24. Easier to manage the price.

"Craft beers" with the 4 for €10 mix and match will be gone as prices of a individual are all over the place

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 11:38AM

This is the type of nonsense you're up against

This is Stephen Donnolly

"These regulations will ensure that price promotions which result in the sale of alcohol products at pocket money prices cannot continue."

I'd love to know his definition of pocket money prices

He'd be shocked at the lower prices in other countries

In 2018 we had the 2nd highest consumer price level for alcohol in Europe

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20190906-1

Of course all this will do is make alcohol more expensive for everybody in society

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 11:41AM

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

I assume shops will just sell multipacks going forward of 8, 12, 24. Easier to manage the price.

"Craft beers" with the 4 for €10 mix and match will be gone as prices of a individual are all over the place

Yeah craft beer sales will definitely take a hit

Some of my favourites were always on the 4 for €10 so €2.50 a bottle

Individual price now €2.80 so it's a 12% increase thanks to the government

Atlantic Dawn · 11-01-2021 11:42AM

So for example if today Tesco wanted to sell 1 can of Guinness for €2 and sell 24 of those same cans for €24 that would be illegal but they could sell a specifically packaged 24 pack for €24 that would be ok?

Thelonious Monk · 11-01-2021 11:43AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah craft beer sales will definitely take a hit

Some of my favourites were always on the 4 for €10 so €2.50 a bottle

Individual price now €2.80 so it's a 12% increase thanks to the government

At least lidl and aldi crafts will stay the same price, they have some good ones these days too.

Shelflife · 11-01-2021 11:44AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah craft beer sales will definitely take a hit

Some of my favourites were always on the 4 for €10 so €2.50 a bottle

Individual price now €2.80 so it's a 12% increase thanks to the government

Theres nothing to stop a shop from selling the craft beer at €2.50 each .

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

So for example if today Tesco wanted to sell 1 can of Guinness for €2 and sell 24 of those same cans for €24 that would be illegal but they could sell a specifically packaged 24 pack for €24 that would be ok?

Yes

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 11:47AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

At least lidl and aldi crafts will stay the same price, they have some good ones these days too.

Yeah that's true for the moment

I'm a big fan of the Lidl Crafty Brewing IPA

I can see the pressure to introduce MUP without Northern Ireland mounting now these latest restrictions are in force

11-01-2021 11:50AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

This is the type of nonsense you're up against

This is Stephen Donnolly

"These regulations will ensure that price promotions which result in the sale of alcohol products at pocket money prices cannot continue."

I'd love to know his definition of pocket money prices

He'd be shocked at the lower prices in other countries

In 2018 we had the 2nd highest consumer price level for alcohol in Europe

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20190906-1

Of course all this will do is make alcohol more expensive for everybody in society

Pocket money prices. Give me a f**king break.

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 11:51AM

Yeah it's a great sound bite

Obviously he has so much money any increase won't bother him

Richard Hillman · 11-01-2021 11:55AM

Simon Donnolly doesn't seem like the type of person that buys alcohol in a Supermarket abroad. It's the wine list on the menu without prices

listermint · 11-01-2021 11:56AM

Shelflife wrote: »

Theres nothing to stop a shop from selling the craft beer at €2.50 each .

Yes

Yeah blah blah blah.

The shops won't do that because they can blame he government rules.

Rules like these always mean the consumer is Shafted. It's on the government. Retail will do what retail does and covers it up under the new legislation.

Net result is increased prices for premium products as was always said would happen.

Thelonious Monk · 11-01-2021 12:20PM

I just don't know why no politician will speak out against this. If one of them was to say how ridiculous it all was and that we should be treated like adults, and that the public would overwhelmingly reject all of this, people would have the greatest respect for them.
The whole thing is just bizarre, what is their agenda?

Marcusm · 11-01-2021 12:26PM

Shelflife wrote: »

Special offers arent banned but multibuy promotions which incentivises people to buy more alcohol is.

Eg You can no longer sell Lomza at €1.50 per single bottle and 4 for €5. but theres nothing to stop a business from selling the Lomza at €1.25.

Is there anything to stop them selling a 4 can multipack for €5?

YFlyer · 11-01-2021 12:50PM

That doctor on Newstalk just recently couldn't answer a question.

Quackster · 11-01-2021 12:54PM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Marcusm wrote: »

Is there anything to stop them selling a 4 can multipack for €5?

No. Hopefully we'll see a lot more craft-beer multipacks.

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 12:57PM

Right on queue good old Eunan McKinney

Alcohol Action Ireland is calling for "the immediate implementation of minimum pricing of alcohol products, which has been interminably delayed by government inertia".

Am no it hasn't

It's been delayed as the Northern Ireland Executive hasn't MUP and would result in plenty of trips over the border to buy alcohol

Thelonious Monk · 11-01-2021 02:44PM

Why do these people get so much air time? Why must the government kowtow to whatever these muppets say?
Argh.

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 04:29PM

The campaign has well and truly started

Listening to Newstalk on the way home and they had Jonathan Healy presenting

Straight into todays measures aren't enough when you can sell 24 cans for €24 euros even though he availed of all the alcohol deals himself before Christmas

Alcohol is too cheap over here according to Healy

Funny he didn't like it when it was pointed out that we have amongst the highest alcohol price in Europe

Ah but not as much as the Scandinavians says Healy

Yes but higher than the majority of the rest in the EU

Eunan McKinney and Co have an open goal with our media who never question him with regards to price as they want it increased themselves

Snickers Man · 11-01-2021 05:00PM

kerryjack wrote: »

Bought 25 cans of bud in lidl for 15 euro before Christmas just finished up last can today
jesus it was pure pisss

How old are you? How can any sentient being above the age of 18 NOT know that Bud is pure piss?
They even hint at it in their TV ads: all those slow motion shots of horses galloping in the wild. Subliminal message: This beer tastes like horse piss.
So now you know

Snickers Man · 11-01-2021 05:14PM

kenmc wrote: »

Agreed.they need to STFU, if they can't then I'm sure they would find the UAE and similar countries more to their mindset.

Here's where they live!

Alcohol Action Ireland
Coleraine House
Coleraine Street
Dublin

Write them a letter. Everybody. NB, not an email. Give them something to trip over in the morning!

Snickers Man · 11-01-2021 05:18PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

My housemates would be big Prazsky drinkers used to buying the 4 pack (5 euro) or 8 pack (10 euro), does this mean they'll be paying the same price I pay for my 4 pack of Guinness. 4 pack of Guinness normally is 8 euro or 12/13 for the 8 pack.

If this means that I no longer get my "four for the price of three" bottles of my beloved Guiness West Indian Porter, I'll be pissed off!

10000maniacs · 11-01-2021 05:32PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The campaign has well and truly started

Listening to Newstalk on the way home and they had Jonathan Healy presenting

Straight into todays measures aren't enough when you can sell 24 cans for €24 euros even though he availed of all the alcohol deals himself before Christmas

Alcohol is too cheap over here according to Healy

Funny he didn't like it when it was pointed out that we have amongst the highest alcohol price in Europe

Ah but not as much as the Scandinavians says Healy

Yes but higher than the majority of the rest in the EU

Eunan McKinney and Co have an open goal with our media who never question him with regards to price as they want it increased themselves

Everybody in the Dail has somebody directly or indirectly associated with the pub trade. Currently we have the highest prices for alcohol in Europe. When the Minimum pricing legislation is enforced, it will be double that again.
It's all hyperbole. They don't give a monkeys about anybody's health.
This is Fine Gaels stance in black and white.

Snickers Man · 11-01-2021 06:39PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah craft beer sales will definitely take a hit

Some of my favourites were always on the 4 for €10 so €2.50 a bottle

Individual price now €2.80 so it's a 12% increase thanks to the government

Shelflife wrote: »

Theres nothing to stop a shop from selling the craft beer at €2.50 each .

Until minimum unit pricing comes in! :mad:

Temptamperu · 11-01-2021 06:50PM

Been drinking since breakfast... **** the government.

Shelflife · 11-01-2021 08:18PM

There’s a beautiful irony in the fact that Alcohol action Ireland is funded with our tax euros to the tune of approx €250k. Per year !

So our taxes are being used to lobby and do PR on behalf of us for something that most of us don’t want !!

Zebra3 · 11-01-2021 08:42PM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Shelflife wrote: »

There’s a beautiful irony in the fact that Alcohol action Ireland is funded with our tax euros to the tune of approx €250k. Per year !

So our taxes are being used to lobby and do PR on behalf of us for something that most of us don’t want !!

Why are this mob being given taxpayer money?

Do we not have a Dept of Health that speaks up on health related matters?

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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