Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

punisher5112 · 08-01-2021 9:51pm

Timistry wrote: »

O Briens loyalty points wont work either

They could do something like glass promotion or something if they were smart.

Timistry · 08-01-2021 9:53pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

They could do something like glass promotion or something if they were smart.

No doubt they will. It can be glasses, taytos or whatever. Just not alcohol, in an off-licence...

L1011 · 08-01-2021 9:55pm

Timistry wrote: »

Was in Dunnes earlier and they have signs up saying that alcohol cannot be purchased after Monday using their vouchers or as part of any other offers/promotions.

Ban from 2008 that was never brought in to force before.

elperello · 08-01-2021 10:33pm

This is anti competitive and will lead to increased prices for the consumer.

Together with the supermarket gates it represents the first stage in "boiling the frogs".

Emboldened by the acceptance of these measures they will introduce MUP.

After that the neo-prohibitionists will keep pressing for more and more impositions on drinkers.

Leroy42 · 08-01-2021 10:56pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

They could do something like glass promotion or something if they were smart.

Or just reduce the price permanently rather than bs loyalty point scams.

ShamNNspace · 08-01-2021 11:03pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Having a nice drink after a hard week working is just going to get more and more expensive.

They got the pubs shut, near a year now, jobs gone and many will never open again....

To be honest this is going to absolutely destroy people and socially too big time.....

Some of em out there won't be happy till we have Scandinavian prices here.. But no matter with their well renumerated employment they can still tuck into their expensive wine of an evening and tut-tut at the rest of us

Fr Tod Umptious · 08-01-2021 11:08pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Having a nice drink after a hard week working is just going to get more and more expensive.

They got the pubs shut, near a year now, jobs gone and many will never open again....

To be honest this is going to absolutely destroy people and socially too big time.....

Are "they' the same "they" that were supposed to be implementing MUP solely to save the pub industry without any regard for public health as has been the argument here since this thread started ?

cadaliac · 09-01-2021 1:13am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Are "they' the same "they" that were supposed to be implementing MUP solely to save the pub industry without any regard for public health as has been the argument here since this thread started ?

To answer your question ...
Seriously - do you think "They" are going to answer that?
What angle are you at here - exactly?

Condesending remarks aren't going to get you anywhere.

Leroy42 · 09-01-2021 9:12am

cadaliac wrote: »

To answer your question ...
Seriously - do you think "They" are going to answer that?
What angle are you at here - exactly?

Condesending remarks aren't going to get you anywhere.

It is a genuine point though. From the start it has been pointed out that this entire MUP was just a way to protect pubs. There is merit in that argument.

But then that goes against the last 9 months were the very same policians are now being called out for failing to protect the pub trade and actually want to destroy it along with alcohol itself.

The poster needs to answer it themselves as it seems to be a contradictory position.

Thelonious Monk · 09-01-2021 3:21pm

So does this mean you can't have like 4 cans for 5 euro, or 24 cans for 24 etc? You can only price beers individually? That f*cking sucks if that's the case.

odyssey06 · 09-01-2021 3:24pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So does this mean you can't have like 4 cans for 5 euro, or 24 cans for 24 etc? You can only price beers individually? That f*cking sucks if that's the case.

Now Multipacks or cases of wine are considered a distinct product and can be discounted.

But if MUP comes in cannot discount below that price floor.

kerryjack · 09-01-2021 3:28pm

Bought 25 cans of bud in lidl for 15 euro before Christmas just finished up last can today
jesus it was pure pisss

elperello · 09-01-2021 4:06pm

Here is a statement from Alcohol Action Ireland who are the main cheerleaders for making our drinks more expensive.

They are urging our politicians to take even more measures.

He finishes with a Covid related guilt trip in the final paragraph in bold type in case we might miss it.

"Commenting on this development, Eunan McKinney, Head of Communications at Alcohol Action Ireland, said:

We welcome this latest step on what is a very long journey to implementing the Public Health Alcohol Act; the operation of these regulations now ensures that people are not further incentivised, or rewarded, for using alcohol.

In practice, with so much alcohol now purchased in the retail landscape, these regulations will act as a small impediment to encouraging greater use and so contribute to reducing alcohol harm. Crucially, the ending of short term promotion, so evident throughout the supermarket multiples, will bring some reason to what has been truly reckless price reductions on alcohol.

The fundamental action that is required next is the immediate implementation of minimum pricing of alcohol products, which has been interminably delayed by government inertia, yielding to the concerns of the alcohol producers.

The legal operation of Section 23 concludes much of the commendable work by the previous Minister for Health, Simon Harris TD.

Neither the current Minister, Stephen Donnelly TD, nor the Minister of State for Public Health, Frank Feighan TD, have indicated, or proposed a timeline, to commence the four major pillars of the Act – minimum pricing, content of advertising, labelling of products or a broadcast watershed, that remain outstanding but which are promised to be honoured within the Programme for Government.

As the COVID response strains so much of our health services’ capacity, it is important to note that dealing with alcohol related inpatient care accounts for 11% of all public healthcare expenditure, and one in five available ICU beds.
"

ShamNNspace · 09-01-2021 4:19pm

elperello wrote: »

Here is a statement from Alcohol Action Ireland who are the main cheerleaders for making our drinks more expensive.

They are urging our politicians to take even more measures.

He finishes with a Covid related guilt trip in the final paragraph in bold type in case we might miss it.

"Commenting on this development, Eunan McKinney, Head of Communications at Alcohol Action Ireland, said:

We welcome this latest step on what is a very long journey to implementing the Public Health Alcohol Act; the operation of these regulations now ensures that people are not further incentivised, or rewarded, for using alcohol.

In practice, with so much alcohol now purchased in the retail landscape, these regulations will act as a small impediment to encouraging greater use and so contribute to reducing alcohol harm. Crucially, the ending of short term promotion, so evident throughout the supermarket multiples, will bring some reason to what has been truly reckless price reductions on alcohol.

The fundamental action that is required next is the immediate implementation of minimum pricing of alcohol products, which has been interminably delayed by government inertia, yielding to the concerns of the alcohol producers.

The legal operation of Section 23 concludes much of the commendable work by the previous Minister for Health, Simon Harris TD.

Neither the current Minister, Stephen Donnelly TD, nor the Minister of State for Public Health, Frank Feighan TD, have indicated, or proposed a timeline, to commence the four major pillars of the Act – minimum pricing, content of advertising, labelling of products or a broadcast watershed, that remain outstanding but which are promised to be honoured within the Programme for Government.

As the COVID response strains so much of our health services’ capacity, it is important to note that dealing with alcohol related inpatient care accounts for 11% of all public healthcare expenditure, and one in five available ICU beds.
"

I think Eunan and his prohibisionistas should find a country or state more in line with their anti-alcohol views and move there without further ado, they may be happier there

elperello · 09-01-2021 4:28pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

I think Eunan and his prohibisionistas should find a country or state more in line with their anti-alcohol views and move there without further ado, they may be happier there

No need for them to move they are in neo-prohibitionist heaven already.

Department of Health paying their bills and all our political parties voting for their
proposals.

Your local TD voted for this.

kenmc · 09-01-2021 6:07pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

I think Eunan and his prohibisionistas should find a country or state more in line with their anti-alcohol views and move there without further ado, they may be happier there

Agreed.they need to STFU, if they can't then I'm sure they would find the UAE and similar countries more to their mindset.

Thelonious Monk · 09-01-2021 6:07pm

elperello wrote: »

No need for them to move they are in neo-prohibitionist heaven already.

Department of Health paying their bills and all our political parties voting for their
proposals.

Your local TD voted for this.

I wrote to all of mine because of this a couple of years ago and told them I'm never voting for them again because they support it

elperello · 09-01-2021 6:19pm

kenmc wrote: »

Agreed.they need to STFU, if they can't then I'm sure they would find the UAE and similar countries more to their mindset.

Their day job is making our chosen drinks more expensive and they appear to be good at it.

The politicians who make the rules have the main responsibility.

ballyargus · 09-01-2021 7:42pm

this is disgusting. A tax on the poor. Very annoyed. Think I will get a special offer and toast their memory

Mimon · 09-01-2021 9:46pm

Won't be voting for any of the government parties again because of this nanny state nonsense.
Guess I will be abstaining from voting for a while as the opposition are numpties for different reasons.

elperello · 09-01-2021 9:54pm

Mimon wrote: »

Won't be voting for any of the government parties again because of this nanny state nonsense.
Guess I will be abstaining from voting for a while as the opposition are numpties for different reasons.

There is no opposition when it comes to this topic.

They are all in favour of it.

Think about it, 160 of them on €90k pa + expenses voting to make you pay more to buy a bottle of wine for Saturday night.

Suckit · 10-01-2021 12:41am

Surely a lot of this is as a result of pressure from the likes of AAI, and other groups. It was probably easier because there wasn't a push back. Who starts a campaign to keep things the way they are?
I can't see anyone (me included) starting action to go against this and aim for lower prices/taxed alcohol, but it would be the only way I can imagine it happening.

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2021 10:37am

Suckit wrote: »

Surely a lot of this is as a result of pressure from the likes of AAI, and other groups. It was probably easier because there wasn't a push back. Who starts a campaign to keep things the way they are?
I can't see anyone (me included) starting action to go against this and aim for lower prices/taxed alcohol, but it would be the only way I can imagine it happening.

Yeah no one is going to do that, and no TD voted against it. I don't really know why, I mean they can't all be friends with publicans, and if a TD stood up against this I'd vote for them if possible, an easy win.
I reckon maybe there was some kind of deal cut with all the members to show support for it, probably in return of a salary increment or something ridiculous.
As I said earlier in thread, polls have shown the public are about 85% against this measure, yet they're doing it anyway. Infuriating.

Richard Hillman · 10-01-2021 10:47am

You do wonder what Alcohol Action Ireland will do after they get MUP. They have gotten everything else and will have to justify their near 500k a year public funding for 3 employees.

They most certainly won't be doing studies to see if all of their policies have worked or not. These are very lucrative jobs (and let's be honest I doubt they sit in that office 9-5).

So what will be next for them to go after? They ain't going away, there's too much money in for them to go away.

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2021 10:59am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You do wonder what Alcohol Action Ireland will do after they get MUP. They have gotten everything else and will have to justify their near 500k a year public funding for 3 employees.

They most certainly won't be doing studies to see if all of their policies have worked or not. These are very lucrative jobs (and let's be honest I doubt they sit in that office 9-5).

So what will be next for them to go after? They ain't going away, there's too much money in for them to go away.

Probably massive labels on every bottle and can about cancer and mental health. Or maybe you can't sell it in supermarkets or convenience shops at all, only in specialist off licences.

MonkstownHoop · 10-01-2021 11:02am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Probably massive labels on every bottle and can about cancer and mental health. Or maybe you can't sell it in supermarkets or convenience shops at all, only in specialist off licences.

Lol I can see it now, you go to pop the cap off a bottle and there's a little message on the cap that says 'are you proud of yourself?'

Was in Dunnes yesterday and all the usual 4 for 10 beers were just individually priced down around 2.60

piplip87 · 10-01-2021 11:04am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You do wonder what Alcohol Action Ireland will do after they get MUP. They have gotten everything else and will have to justify their near 500k a year public funding for 3 employees.

They most certainly won't be doing studies to see if all of their policies have worked or not. These are very lucrative jobs (and let's be honest I doubt they sit in that office 9-5).

So what will be next for them to go after? They ain't going away, there's too much money in for them to go away.

It will be looking to ban alcohol from sports grounds, concerts and anywhere else a child might be. Maybe they will move onto gambling another things enjoyed by thousands responsibly but the same cohort with no self control will ruin it for everybody

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2021 11:19am

So these AAI people are just 3 dickheads trying to cause trouble? We should start an angry mob and rabble outside their premises.
I'm actually off booze now and for all I know I may never drink again, but this subject makes me so angry, these few **** dictating how people live their lives.

the beer revolu · 10-01-2021 11:21am

The choices in the poll are stupidly limiting.

Can I not acknowledge that Ireland has a problem with alcohol and be against mup at the same time?

Fr Tod Umptious · 10-01-2021 1:32pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

The choices in the poll are stupidly limiting.

Can I not acknowledge that Ireland has a problem with alcohol and be against mup at the same time?

The poll is over 4 years old.
And the OP has not been active for almost 4 years.
Give them a break.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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