Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Geuze · 11-12-2020 11:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I got a headache reading that.

Sounds anti-EU to me. Surprise, surprise.

It is an academic article, yes.

It is not anti-EU.

It points out that being outside the EU allows for more variation in excise rates.

They are not supporting Brexit.

listermint · 11-12-2020 12:09PM

Geuze wrote: »

It is an academic article, yes.

It is not anti-EU.

It points out that being outside the EU allows for more variation in excise rates.

They are not supporting Brexit.

Does it ? if so how ?

11-12-2020 12:23PM

Geuze wrote: »

It points out that being outside the EU allows for more variation in excise rates.

But countries in the EU set their own tax rates, which is why corporation tax in Ireland is less than Germany. Excise varies significantly across all member states from 0 in some countries to the highest in surprise surprise, Ireland and the UK.

Geuze · 11-12-2020 08:19PM

Hold on, don't the UK already have two excise rates on beer?

Isn't there a higher rate on strong beer already?

Hmmm.,,,,,

L1011 · 11-12-2020 08:39PM

Yes - they've four rates. We've three.

They also have two craft discount rates, we've one

They have discussed extra excise for imports post Brexit though, but they do not need it to add duty to higher ABV products because they already do!

Hotblack Desiato · 16-12-2020 08:26PM

L1011 wrote: »

Harm outcomes and transfers to drug use need to be accounted for too

Scotland’s drug-related death toll hits record high

Scotland’s drug-related death toll has risen to another grim record, as long-delayed [2019] figures published on Tuesday revealed a death rate more than 3½ times that of the UK as a whole and higher than those reported for all EU countries.

Whether this is linked to MUP or not, drug policy and alcohol policy can't be looked at in isolation from each other.

This should give MUP advocates some pause, but it won't...

MadYaker · 16-12-2020 09:04PM

Thread started in 2016 and still no sign of this being introduced. Have COVID and brexit put it on the back burner.

Geuze · 16-12-2020 10:19PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Thread started in 2016 and still no sign of this being introduced. Have COVID and brexit put it on the back burner.

The legislation has been passed, AFAIK.

Yes, I suppose Brexit and COVID have affected it.

I bought 4x Guinness cases of 24 cans 470ml this week, for 66 euro, just in case.

elperello · 16-12-2020 10:25PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Scotland’s drug-related death toll hits record high

Whether this is linked to MUP or not, drug policy and alcohol policy can't be looked at in isolation from each other.

This should give MUP advocates some pause, but it won't...

If society wants to help people who want to get off their heads it's first necessary to address why they want to get off their heads.

That requires a lot of time and a lot of money.

Ironically MUP puts no extra money in the state coffers.

Timistry · 08-01-2021 08:36PM

Was in Dunnes earlier and they have signs up saying that alcohol cannot be purchased after Monday using their vouchers or as part of any other offers/promotions.

thesandeman · 08-01-2021 08:47PM

Timistry wrote: »

Was in Dunnes earlier and they have signs up saying that alcohol cannot be purchased after Monday using their vouchers or as part of any other offers/promotions.

Got an email from SuperValu saying the same thing.

Timistry · 08-01-2021 08:48PM

O Briens loyalty points wont work either

punisher5112 · 08-01-2021 08:50PM

Having a nice drink after a hard week working is just going to get more and more expensive.

They got the pubs shut, near a year now, jobs gone and many will never open again....

To be honest this is going to absolutely destroy people and socially too big time.....

punisher5112 · 08-01-2021 08:51PM

Timistry wrote: »

O Briens loyalty points wont work either

They could do something like glass promotion or something if they were smart.

Timistry · 08-01-2021 08:53PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

They could do something like glass promotion or something if they were smart.

No doubt they will. It can be glasses, taytos or whatever. Just not alcohol, in an off-licence...

L1011 · 08-01-2021 08:55PM

Timistry wrote: »

Was in Dunnes earlier and they have signs up saying that alcohol cannot be purchased after Monday using their vouchers or as part of any other offers/promotions.

Ban from 2008 that was never brought in to force before.

elperello · 08-01-2021 09:33PM

This is anti competitive and will lead to increased prices for the consumer.

Together with the supermarket gates it represents the first stage in "boiling the frogs".

Emboldened by the acceptance of these measures they will introduce MUP.

After that the neo-prohibitionists will keep pressing for more and more impositions on drinkers.

Leroy42 · 08-01-2021 09:56PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

They could do something like glass promotion or something if they were smart.

Or just reduce the price permanently rather than bs loyalty point scams.

ShamNNspace · 08-01-2021 10:03PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Having a nice drink after a hard week working is just going to get more and more expensive.

They got the pubs shut, near a year now, jobs gone and many will never open again....

To be honest this is going to absolutely destroy people and socially too big time.....

Some of em out there won't be happy till we have Scandinavian prices here.. But no matter with their well renumerated employment they can still tuck into their expensive wine of an evening and tut-tut at the rest of us

08-01-2021 10:08PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Having a nice drink after a hard week working is just going to get more and more expensive.

They got the pubs shut, near a year now, jobs gone and many will never open again....

To be honest this is going to absolutely destroy people and socially too big time.....

Are "they' the same "they" that were supposed to be implementing MUP solely to save the pub industry without any regard for public health as has been the argument here since this thread started ?

cadaliac · 09-01-2021 12:13AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Are "they' the same "they" that were supposed to be implementing MUP solely to save the pub industry without any regard for public health as has been the argument here since this thread started ?

To answer your question ...
Seriously - do you think "They" are going to answer that?
What angle are you at here - exactly?

Condesending remarks aren't going to get you anywhere.

Leroy42 · 09-01-2021 08:12AM

cadaliac wrote: »

To answer your question ...
Seriously - do you think "They" are going to answer that?
What angle are you at here - exactly?

Condesending remarks aren't going to get you anywhere.

It is a genuine point though. From the start it has been pointed out that this entire MUP was just a way to protect pubs. There is merit in that argument.

But then that goes against the last 9 months were the very same policians are now being called out for failing to protect the pub trade and actually want to destroy it along with alcohol itself.

The poster needs to answer it themselves as it seems to be a contradictory position.

Thelonious Monk · 09-01-2021 02:21PM

So does this mean you can't have like 4 cans for 5 euro, or 24 cans for 24 etc? You can only price beers individually? That f*cking sucks if that's the case.

odyssey06 · 09-01-2021 02:24PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So does this mean you can't have like 4 cans for 5 euro, or 24 cans for 24 etc? You can only price beers individually? That f*cking sucks if that's the case.

Now Multipacks or cases of wine are considered a distinct product and can be discounted.

But if MUP comes in cannot discount below that price floor.

kerryjack · 09-01-2021 02:28PM

Bought 25 cans of bud in lidl for 15 euro before Christmas just finished up last can today
jesus it was pure pisss

elperello · 09-01-2021 03:06PM

Here is a statement from Alcohol Action Ireland who are the main cheerleaders for making our drinks more expensive.

They are urging our politicians to take even more measures.

He finishes with a Covid related guilt trip in the final paragraph in bold type in case we might miss it.

"Commenting on this development, Eunan McKinney, Head of Communications at Alcohol Action Ireland, said:

We welcome this latest step on what is a very long journey to implementing the Public Health Alcohol Act; the operation of these regulations now ensures that people are not further incentivised, or rewarded, for using alcohol.

In practice, with so much alcohol now purchased in the retail landscape, these regulations will act as a small impediment to encouraging greater use and so contribute to reducing alcohol harm. Crucially, the ending of short term promotion, so evident throughout the supermarket multiples, will bring some reason to what has been truly reckless price reductions on alcohol.

The fundamental action that is required next is the immediate implementation of minimum pricing of alcohol products, which has been interminably delayed by government inertia, yielding to the concerns of the alcohol producers.

The legal operation of Section 23 concludes much of the commendable work by the previous Minister for Health, Simon Harris TD.

Neither the current Minister, Stephen Donnelly TD, nor the Minister of State for Public Health, Frank Feighan TD, have indicated, or proposed a timeline, to commence the four major pillars of the Act – minimum pricing, content of advertising, labelling of products or a broadcast watershed, that remain outstanding but which are promised to be honoured within the Programme for Government.

As the COVID response strains so much of our health services’ capacity, it is important to note that dealing with alcohol related inpatient care accounts for 11% of all public healthcare expenditure, and one in five available ICU beds.
"

ShamNNspace · 09-01-2021 03:19PM

elperello wrote: »

Here is a statement from Alcohol Action Ireland who are the main cheerleaders for making our drinks more expensive.

They are urging our politicians to take even more measures.

He finishes with a Covid related guilt trip in the final paragraph in bold type in case we might miss it.

"Commenting on this development, Eunan McKinney, Head of Communications at Alcohol Action Ireland, said:

We welcome this latest step on what is a very long journey to implementing the Public Health Alcohol Act; the operation of these regulations now ensures that people are not further incentivised, or rewarded, for using alcohol.

In practice, with so much alcohol now purchased in the retail landscape, these regulations will act as a small impediment to encouraging greater use and so contribute to reducing alcohol harm. Crucially, the ending of short term promotion, so evident throughout the supermarket multiples, will bring some reason to what has been truly reckless price reductions on alcohol.

The fundamental action that is required next is the immediate implementation of minimum pricing of alcohol products, which has been interminably delayed by government inertia, yielding to the concerns of the alcohol producers.

The legal operation of Section 23 concludes much of the commendable work by the previous Minister for Health, Simon Harris TD.

Neither the current Minister, Stephen Donnelly TD, nor the Minister of State for Public Health, Frank Feighan TD, have indicated, or proposed a timeline, to commence the four major pillars of the Act – minimum pricing, content of advertising, labelling of products or a broadcast watershed, that remain outstanding but which are promised to be honoured within the Programme for Government.

As the COVID response strains so much of our health services’ capacity, it is important to note that dealing with alcohol related inpatient care accounts for 11% of all public healthcare expenditure, and one in five available ICU beds.
"

I think Eunan and his prohibisionistas should find a country or state more in line with their anti-alcohol views and move there without further ado, they may be happier there

elperello · 09-01-2021 03:28PM

ShamNNspace wrote: »

I think Eunan and his prohibisionistas should find a country or state more in line with their anti-alcohol views and move there without further ado, they may be happier there

No need for them to move they are in neo-prohibitionist heaven already.

Department of Health paying their bills and all our political parties voting for their
proposals.

Your local TD voted for this.

kenmc · 09-01-2021 05:07PM

ShamNNspace wrote: »

I think Eunan and his prohibisionistas should find a country or state more in line with their anti-alcohol views and move there without further ado, they may be happier there

Agreed.they need to STFU, if they can't then I'm sure they would find the UAE and similar countries more to their mindset.

Thelonious Monk · 09-01-2021 05:07PM

elperello wrote: »

No need for them to move they are in neo-prohibitionist heaven already.

Department of Health paying their bills and all our political parties voting for their
proposals.

Your local TD voted for this.

I wrote to all of mine because of this a couple of years ago and told them I'm never voting for them again because they support it

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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