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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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    #1142
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,917 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The British Medical journal says 52% after one dose. The New England Journal of Medicine says 91% after one dose.

    For people who read medical journals in detail did either journal have a major flaw in how they arrived with one dose efficacy figures?

    From reading it, it says protection is at 52% in the interval time period between the first and second doses. (7 days after being given the first dose).

    The 91% protection is several weeks after being given the first dose, at the time when the second dose would have been given 7 days prior if it had been given. So 4 weeks after the first dose, (7 days after scheduled second dose) the efficacy is 95% if given the second dose, 91% if not given the second dose.

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    #1143
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    You said you have factual info. I know frontline workers in cuh which you claim have got appointments, who have heard nada. Not so factual I'm afraid. Do you not agree there should be be better comms and optics here or are you going to defend the HSE regardless??

    Where did I say CUH got appointments, I know nobody in CUH, can't speak for their occupational health department.

    Some staff in St James's have been getting appointments from occupational health in the last 48hrs as per the plan they received from HSE.

    The current plan is starting Wednesday & Thursday , James's, GUH, CUH & Beaumont.

    I've also just read the Independent and I note that they report the same thing. I assume they've got that from someone in the HSE. Now seeing as I got that from someone in occupational health in James's, one would imagine there's an internal document doing the rounds.

    See my previous reply to another post on communications.


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    #1144
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    Marhay70 wrote: »
    Can't remember the last time I had a vaccine, or any other simple procedure, done by a doctor.

    I'm talking about vaccination of medical staff. If HSE decided to vaccinate medical staff in the major acute hospitals now, they'll require a second dose in 3 weeks time. But in less then 2 weeks all doctors will be rotating hospital, so if I get my first dose in Beaumont now, but in 12 days I'm up in Letterkenny then what happens? Multiply that by a couple thousand medical staff and it's a big logistical hurdle.


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    #1145
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Wow that's pathetic. I know frontline staff in cuh that you mention who have heard zilch. You question the optics and communications here and all you get is HSE defenders with sad and silly posts. Pathetic.

    CUH staff have been given dates for next Wednesday, I know that for a fact.


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    #1146
    irishgeo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,389 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The British Medical journal says 52% after one dose. The New England Journal of Medicine says 91% after one dose.

    For people who read medical journals in detail did either journal have a major flaw in how they arrived with one dose efficacy figures?

    People are already moaning about the process, if we just did one dose against the manufacturers advice can you imagine the uproar.

    It's no good being fast if it's done wrong.

    Take our time and do it right.

    If the HSE rushed it out and then had to go back because of a mistake the moaners would be saying it was rushed.

    Moaning here about the government, HSE and everything related to covid seems to be a full time job for people.


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    #1147
    Marhay70
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    The communication from Government has been piss poor from the very start of the pandemic.
    Martin is a poor communicator at the best of times, Varadkar is a Prima Donna, only interested in the main chance, Donnelly is out of his depth in Health, but then anybody would be.
    It needs Martin to take charge, to accept the fact that "the buck stops here", to ask the same questions we are asking and demand answers on our behalf.
    Too many years of the "it'll do" attitude in the HSE have made it the norm now and to actually do what should be done is alien to them.


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    #1148
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    So the vaccines have arrived in Ireland but will be left to sit in fridges for a few days. They have had months to get ready for this but no, Ireland leaves them in fridges with, I imagine ' it'll be grand ' attitude. Laughable incompetence.
    Thought this was an emergency.


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    #1149
    Stheno
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    Anita Blow wrote: »
    I'm talking about vaccination of medical staff. If HSE decided to vaccinate medical staff in the major acute hospitals now, they'll require a second dose in 3 weeks time. But in less then 2 weeks all doctors will be rotating hospital, so if I get my first dose in Beaumont now, but in 12 days I'm up in Letterkenny then what happens? Multiply that by a couple thousand medical staff and it's a big logistical hurdle.

    Postpone the rotation a couple of weeks?


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    #1150
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Varadkar just said on Newstalk he didn’t know why it was taking a few days longer but we’d start slow but catch up.

    Jaysus - catch up is the plan when we get 9750 doses.


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    #1151
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Marhay70 wrote: »
    The communication from Government has been piss poor from the very start of the pandemic.
    Martin is a poor communicator at the best of times, Varadkar is a Prima Donna, only interested in the main chance, Donnelly is out of his depth in Health, but then anybody would be.
    It needs Martin to take charge, to accept the fact that "the buck stops here", to ask the same questions we are asking and demand answers on our behalf.
    Too many years of the "it'll do" attitude in the HSE have made it the norm now and to actually do what should be done is alien to them.

    He was asked to create a specific ministerial role for this and said no he'd overlook it personally.

    For communication we only have to look at how the announcement of the 5 levels was handled & the different departments not knowing where the sectors they represented fit into the levels.... PR despite them having multiple advisors doesn't seem to be a government strong point.


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    #1152
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,075 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    CUH staff have been given dates for next Wednesday, I know that for a fact.

    And I know otherwise for a fact.


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    #1153
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    Stheno wrote: »
    Postpone the rotation a couple of weeks?

    I'm sure they could as rotations were postponed at the height of the pandemic but doubt they will at this stage!


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    #1154
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    And I know otherwise for a fact.

    Well unless the vaccination rooms with all the new equipment they ordered in is a hoax then you’re wrong


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    #1155
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,075 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Well unless the vaccination rooms with all the new equipment they ordered in is a hoax then you’re wrong

    Maybe they just didn't bother telling some people they are due up next Wednesday. Given the HSE and their inability to communicate effectively it would be no surprise. I'm sure you'll rush back in to defend this as well.


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    #1156
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    And there we have it.

    1. Vaccination rooms in the CUH have been set up since last monday. Specialist tables and storage equipment have been installed.
    2. Nurses and doctors were drafted in for training on administering it on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
    3. There have been dates given for next week. Family member of mine isn’t even on the front line there and has been told expect vaccination first week in February.
    4. Stop trying to suggest it isn’t happening when it is.


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    #1157
    Kerry25x
    Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Kerry25x


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    CUH staff have been given dates for next Wednesday, I know that for a fact.

    I'm frontline staff in CUH and I've heard nothing other than rumours in the locker room. Just checked my work email and there's nothing new, haven't had a single email since Christmas Eve.


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    #1158
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    Folks, if you are not discussing the vaccine rollout or testing procedures then you shouldn't be posting here. There are a multitude of threads to discuss the competency/incompetency of the HSE (in relation to Covid-19) in this forum.

    Don't do it here or you'll be threadbanned going forward.


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    #1159
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Kerry25x wrote: »
    There is no covid ward at the moment.

    Dont know the exact ward name as i dont work there but have been told the nurses/doctors working with the covid patients (i assume theyre in the negative pressure isolation rooms) have been assigned dates


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    Marhay70
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    I'm talking about vaccination of medical staff. If HSE decided to vaccinate medical staff in the major acute hospitals now, they'll require a second dose in 3 weeks time. But in less then 2 weeks all doctors will be rotating hospital, so if I get my first dose in Beaumont now, but in 12 days I'm up in Letterkenny then what happens? Multiply that by a couple thousand medical staff and it's a big logistical hurdle.

    Ok, I understand that but that wasn't the message that came across in your post.
    Hospital rotations, as you know, take place twice a year, This has happened for many years now and the point myself and other posters here are making is, this was a known occurrence that could and should have been allowed for. It's not rocket science, people in biscuit factories make more complicated calculations about custard cream production lines.


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    #1161
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    My hope is, once it gets underway, that Tony and the HSE report the daily figures in their press conference - that is, the daily figures of those vaccinated.

    It would be a positive message to give, would show the thing is happening, and also balance out the bad news, e.g. "1000 new cases / 5 deaths / 10,000 vaccinations".

    Wonder will they do that?


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    #1162
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    My hope is, once it gets underway, that Tony and the HSE report the daily figures in their press conference - that is, the daily figures of those vaccinated.

    It would be a positive message to give, would show the thing is happening, and also balance out the bad news, e.g. "1000 new cases / 5 deaths / 10,000 vaccinations".

    Wonder will they do that?

    I highly doubt it tbh, i assume tony will stay well away and let hse handle it


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    #1163
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,706 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    My hope is, once it gets underway, that Tony and the HSE report the daily figures in their press conference - that is, the daily figures of those vaccinated.

    It would be a positive message to give, would show the thing is happening, and also balance out the bad news, e.g. "1000 new cases / 5 deaths / 10,000 vaccinations".

    Wonder will they do that?

    Oh god no, there are people who can't grasp the simple concept that we have a finite number of vaccines, they would lose their minds if we announced daily figures.

    Announcing milestones as a way of keeping track is fine by me.


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    #1164
    hmmm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Stheno wrote: »
    The problem here Stephen is the optics and the communications

    Its shambolic
    Watched Spinal Tap yesterday evening and it reminded me of it as the tiny dolmen descended. The small boxes on a forklift. Other countries injecting it into people, meanwhile in Ireland the Health Minister is standing next to a fridge looking like he was opening a supermarket in Greystones.

    I hope who-ever is in charge of PR (is there someone in charge of PR?) knows exactly who is going to receive the first vaccine. It'll be important for both building support for vaccines & for a morale boost. The President would be good, an ICU nurse, a paramedic, someone like that.

    As for the "what does the Internet know about running vaccination campaigns" comments from some, you don't have to know anything to compare ourselves to other countries. Who-ever is running this campaign is going to have to get used to being questioned, because those comparisons are going to run to the end of this. People will be asking where Ireland is on the table of vaccinations as they progress across Europe, and they are perfectly entitled to do so.


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    #1165
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,091 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Marhay70 wrote: »
    The communication from Government has been piss poor from the very start of the pandemic.
    Martin is a poor communicator at the best of times, Varadkar is a Prima Donna, only interested in the main chance, Donnelly is out of his depth in Health, but then anybody would be.
    It needs Martin to take charge, to accept the fact that "the buck stops here", to ask the same questions we are asking and demand answers on our behalf.
    Too many years of the "it'll do" attitude in the HSE have made it the norm now and to actually do what should be done is alien to them.

    I thought Ronan Glynn was a great communicator , empathetic , encouraging and yet decisive . Tony Holohan is a dreadful communicator


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    #1166
    Stheno
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I thought Ronan Glynn was a great communicator , empathetic , encouraging and yet decisive . Tony Holohan is a dreadful communicator

    Agreed on Ronan, he did well.

    Simon Harris wasn't too bad either

    Tony and Micheal are both dreadful


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    #1167
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Where is this in the HSE plan? I've seen plenty of hearsay about hospitals next week but none has been confirmed yet by the HSE.

    Take it as you want. But the misses is getting the vaccine in her hospital next Wednesday. It is definitely starting in hospitals then. Well for sure know about the Mater and Connolly. There is a plan. Albeit, a slow one getting off the ground in comparison to other countries.


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    #1168
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Where do hospital staff other than doctors and nurses fall into the vaccination plan?


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    #1169
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Vaccines starting 29th now according to Paul Reid


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    #1170
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1343185208418439176?s=19


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    #1171
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Stheno wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1343185208418439176?s=19

    Just heard him on the radio, thought he said they might start on Tuesday. Seeing is believing at this stage.


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