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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #152
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,638 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Well, I think it's time to call it a night.


  • #153
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Arghus wrote: »
    What are you talking about?

    We haven't had only level 1 restrictions since March. And if we had we wouldn't have had only 80k cases and 2k deaths.

    Are you sure about that? The "limited" data does not back up that.

    Vast majority of cases are within healthcare settings or private home settings. Yet, everything outside of these settings are pounced upon when aforementioned scenario restrictions are "somewhat" lifted.

    How did the MRSA bug spread. Here's a clue - it wasn't in a shop, restaurant or a pub. Riddle me that.


  • #154
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Danno wrote: »
    Explain zero-flu. But still Covid spreads? Mind-boggling, isn't it? :rolleyes:
    Not really, we have a flu vaccine with a high uptake this year, our flu generally comes from Australia (I can be corrected, but it originates from the southern hemisphere as it's seasonal), but nothing is getting out of there to here.

    How you don't grasp that is the mind boggling thing.


  • #155
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Keep searching, Poland and Croatia. We are one of the last as usual. Why are you ok with being one of the last, we have it. What are we waiting for.

    https://twitter.com/ritakj/status/1342865391010394112?s=20

    If the head of the Irish medical Council is wondering the same thing, there's clearly a problem.

    Utter idiocy. The vaccine taskforce should be hauled in tomorrow to explain. Brian McCraith must have his head up his behind.


  • #156
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Not really, we have a flu vaccine with a high uptake this year, our flu generally comes from Australia (I can be corrected, but it originates from the southern hemisphere as it's seasonal), but nothing is getting out of there to here.

    How you don't grasp that is the mind boggling thing.

    So our flu only ever really comes from Oz? Gotcha. :rolleyes:

    Can't someone just seal off Oz for good then - it seems they've done a start on it anyways.


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  • #157
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,887 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ritakj/status/1342865391010394112?s=20

    If the head of the Irish medical Council is wondering the same thing, there's clearly a problem.

    Utter idiocy. The vaccine taskforce should be hauled in tomorrow to explain. Brian McCraith must have his head up his behind.

    The big wigs are on there holibobs thats the reason :mad:


  • #158
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ritakj/status/1342865391010394112?s=20

    If the head of the Irish medical Council is wondering the same thing, there's clearly a problem.

    Utter idiocy. The vaccine taskforce should be hauled in tomorrow to explain. Brian McCraith must have his head up his behind.

    I've seen the confirmed reports of vaccinations starting Dec 30th, I haven't heard that it will be only 30 a day????
    Is the head of the medical council confusing the number of vaccine's administrated with the date they start? Dec 30th and assuming it's only 30 doses?


  • #159
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Danno wrote: »
    So our flu only ever really comes from Oz? Gotcha. :rolleyes:

    Can't someone just seal off Oz for good then - it seems they've done a start on it anyways.

    Enlighten me, where does our flu come from? What country or region does the flu start in?


  • #160
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Enlighten me, where does our flu come from? What country or region does the flu start in?

    The truth is...

    wait for it...

    ...nobody really knows!

    Oh how the mighty have fallen, first it was the priests - then it was the teachers, now it's the docs, charlatans - the lot! :pac:


  • #161
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Not really, we have a flu vaccine with a high uptake this year...

    Actually, we don't have a high uptake. They're literally begging for secondary school students to take the jab before it's best before date expires. :rolleyes:


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  • #162
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Danno wrote: »
    Actually, we don't have a high uptake. They're literally begging for secondary school students to take the jab before it's best before date expires. :rolleyes:

    You're talking about a specific age group, I mean as a whole. There's been people on here trying to get the flu jab but couldn't due to high demand.
    I would also say uptake in hcw's would have been higher this year.

    Needless to say worldwide the flu hasn't been circulating as much as covid, it's non-existent really. As to why, covid is far more transmissional then the flu.


  • #163
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So your ok with people dieing because of the delay in getting the vaccine, as long as its not you. Fair ignorant attitude.

    Talk about irony.

    The very ones pontificating about saving lives are justifying people dying due to inefficiency


  • #164
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    I'm probably missing something, but what training is required for giving the injections? Are they that much different from other vaccines because they're coming out of the freezer?


  • #165
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Not really, we have a flu vaccine with a high uptake this year, our flu generally comes from Australia (I can be corrected, but it originates from the southern hemisphere as it's seasonal), but nothing is getting out of there to here.

    How you don't grasp that is the mind boggling thing.

    There’s been little to no flu in flu season in Australia or NZ this year because it’s usually introduced during April & May and travel all over the world was limited during that time, this was also the case in S. Africa, Argentina and Chile.

    It’s still early days in Northern Hemisphere yet and with increased travel before Xmas I wouldn’t completely rule it out. One of the problems is the instrumentation they usually use to test for flu they now use for Covid and they don’t even have enough capacity to do that.

    Most European countries are showing baseline levels but countries like Serbia, Slovakia and England are showing low instances so it’s still around just probably not tested as much although with potential lockdowns til March/April I doubt it be a problem in Ireland.


  • #166
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ritakj/status/1342865391010394112?s=20

    If the head of the Irish medical Council is wondering the same thing, there's clearly a problem.

    Utter idiocy. The vaccine taskforce should be hauled in tomorrow to explain. Brian McCraith must have his head up his behind.

    I'm really struggling to understand why we appear to be the only EU country that isn't starting to vaccinate today. It's extraordinary.


  • #167
    SusanC10
    Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Probes wrote: »
    I'm really struggling to understand why we appear to be the only EU country that isn't starting to vaccinate today. It's extraordinary.

    This. Can't understand it at all.


  • #168
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Are we really only doing it 5 days a week too? They constantly tell us Covid doesn’t take holidays or some sh1te. It should be 7 days a week when the big deliveries start arriving.


  • #169
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,000 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Unions re vax timetable I reckon, and/or lack of personnel.

    But HSE is efficient, great with words. Sad to see. It would have given hope if it started today, but Christmas for the win


  • #170
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    I was cringing watching them trying to make a huge photo op with bringing in 2 poxy boxes off a truck and putting it into a fridge...


    Stephen Donnelly to the rescue!......why the hold up in delivering the vaccine?

    What a clown...

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • #171
    quartz1
    Registered Users Posts: 385 ✭✭quartz1


    Donnelly out for a photo call standing beside the fridge while the rollout is days behind other EU Countries ....not good enough ....... .. No valid or excusable reason why those vaccines should be sitting in a fridge this morning .


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  • #172
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    StevenToast wrote: »
    I was cringing watching them trying to make a huge photo op with bringing in 2 poxy boxes off a truck and putting it into a fridge...


    Stephen Donnelly to the rescue!......why the hold up in delivering the vaccine?

    What a clown...

    Instead of understanding most of the population see Leo as a moran for all of the spin and photo ops, they all copy him, laughable.


  • #173
    Eivor
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ritakj/status/1342865391010394112?s=20

    If the head of the Irish medical Council is wondering the same thing, there's clearly a problem.

    Utter idiocy. The vaccine taskforce should be hauled in tomorrow to explain. Brian McCraith must have his head up his behind.

    Sorry, is it only ever going to be 30 people a day vaccinated? That’s ridiculous if that’s the case


  • #174
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,465 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Eivor wrote: »
    Sorry, is it only ever going to be 30 people a day vaccinated? That’s ridiculous if that’s the case

    No it's not 30 people getting vaccinated each day.


  • #175
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Unions re vax timetable I reckon, and/or lack of personnel.

    But HSE is efficient, great with words. Sad to see. It would have given hope if it started today, but Christmas for the win


    Hadn't heard anything about the Unions putting a stop to the rollout, where did you read that?


  • #176
    keithb93
    Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭keithb93


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Because I would assume those asymptomatic children live with adults and would infect them, they in turn would more than likely show symptoms and get tested.
    Contact tracers ring and ask for close contacts, as the kids live with them they would also be tested, if the kid was the source, they would test positive, if the kid tested negative, it's impossible the kid infected the adult.
    It's those little details where they can collate and reach a conclusion.

    If you take 10 households with a positive case in an adult and children live there, if in 6 households, only the adult test positive and the children negative and in 4 households the children also test positive, then you can say 60% of household clusters are spread from adults to children. The remaining 40% it;s unclear if it was spread form adult to child or vice versa.

    It takes up to 2 weeks to show symptoms and become infectious so its likely the children are fully recovered and test negative at the same time as their parents testing positive.


  • #177
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    BobbyMalone wrote: »
    Hadn't heard anything about the Unions putting a stop to the rollout, where did you read that?

    There hasn’t but any opportunity to try create some sort of public v private nonsense.


  • #178
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    BobbyMalone wrote: »
    Hadn't heard anything about the Unions putting a stop to the rollout, where did you read that?

    It was said on the news last night that the delay was due to vaccinators having to be trained. Not sure if that is plausible.


  • #179
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭tigger123


    jackboy wrote: »
    It was said on the news last night that the delay was due to vaccinators having to be trained. Not sure if that is plausible.

    Why isn't it plausible?


  • #180
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Why isn't it plausible?

    Why would they wait till after the vaccine arrives to train?


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  • #181
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Because every other country in Europe will have needed people trained also yet they started yesterday or today at the latest.

    The HSE really need to get the finger out on this one because people won't accept a screw up but they are off to a very bad start.


  • #182
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭tigger123


    jackboy wrote: »
    Why would they wait till after the vaccine arrives to train?

    Could be any number of reasons. The fact that it arrived on Stephen's Day could have something to do with it. There may be dummy training materials to be used that arrived with the delivery. So perhaps training couldn't go ahead until it arrived.

    Also, you wouldn't want to be training people before Christmas and then and then having to wait a few weeks before the vaccine is administered after Christmas.


  • #183
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    pc7 wrote: »
    Are we really only doing it 5 days a week too? They constantly tell us Covid doesn’t take holidays or some sh1te. It should be 7 days a week when the big deliveries start arriving.

    Should be 24/7.


  • #184
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Probes wrote: »
    I'm really struggling to understand why we appear to be the only EU country that isn't starting to vaccinate today. It's extraordinary.

    It really is. Serious questions need to be asked. It's simply not good enough.


  • #185
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Could be any number of reasons. The fact that it arrived on Stephen's Day could have something to do with it. There may be dummy training materials to be used that arrived with the delivery. So perhaps training couldn't go ahead until it arrived.

    Also, you wouldn't want to be training people before Christmas and then and then having to wait a few weeks before the vaccine is administered after Christmas.

    The rest of Europe has managed it. Who do you think is wrong, us or everyone else?


  • #186
    embraer170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    One more person here who is wondering why start after almost everyone else?

    And what on earth is the justification for not vaccinating 7 days a week in dedicated vaccination centres. There have been months to get everything ready.

    Even Bulgaria with the most incompetent public service you can imagine managed to start today.


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  • #187
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,866 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    embraer170 wrote: »
    One more person here who is wondering why start after almost everyone else?

    And what on earth is the justification for not vaccinating 7 days a week in dedicated vaccination centres. There have been months to get everything ready.

    Even Bulgaria with the most incompetent public service you can imagine managed to start today.

    So you want to take people who are high risk out of care homes and mix them all together in a vaccination centre rather than bring the vaccine to them??


  • #188
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭tigger123


    jackboy wrote: »
    The rest of Europe has managed it. Who do you think is wrong, us or everyone else?

    Thats a fair point.


  • #189
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    How many publicity poses with a fridge does one need?


  • #190
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    jackboy wrote: »
    The rest of Europe has managed it. Who do you think is wrong, us or everyone else?

    I've just realised it's not even tomorrow they are starting it's WEDNESDAY :eek:

    Couldn't they have done online training or virtual training ffs it's almost 2021.

    10 bleeding months they had, 10 :mad:


  • #191
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    jackboy wrote: »
    The rest of Europe has managed it. Who do you think is wrong, us or everyone else?

    They're all out of step except my Johnny.


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  • #192
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    If only we had an impartial national broadcaster, not concerned by future Government funding to bail them out, to ask some basic questions about the justification for the vaccine rollout delay, forecasting of numbers, 7-day-week rollout, lack of training prior to rollout etc.

    If only .....


  • #193
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    ElJeffe wrote: »

    Couldn't they have done online training or virtual training ffs it's almost 2021.

    No you can't do online training or virtual training for vaccinations ffs.

    No panic or rush, we start Wednesday. No big deal. Everyone getting their knickers in a twist because it's not today. It's a Sunday remember and public service like weekends off etc. So some training Monday and Tuesday and vaccinate on Wednesday. Then the usual weekends off. It's really not that hard to understand.


  • #194
    William Faithful Deer
    Posts: 0 ✭ William Faithful Deer


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Could be any number of reasons. The fact that it arrived on Stephen's Day could have something to do with it. There may be dummy training materials to be used that arrived with the delivery. So perhaps training couldn't go ahead until it arrived.

    Also, you wouldn't want to be training people before Christmas and then and then having to wait a few weeks before the vaccine is administered after Christmas.

    Excuses excuses excuses.

    Other countries have hit the ground running. Once again our health body is shown up for laziness and incompetence at a strategic level.

    Every hour of every day counts.


  • #195
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,465 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Leave them enjoy their Christmas.


  • #196
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    blade1 wrote: »
    Leave them enjoy their Christmas.

    Typical Irish arra shur twill be grand attitude.


  • #197
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    blade1 wrote: »
    Leave them enjoy their Christmas.

    Exactly. They deserve it after the year they've had.


  • #198
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    https://www.cso.ie/en/databases/statbankbeingreplacedbypxstat/

    Does this mean it’s no longer possible to see how many people have died here compared to previous years?


  • #199
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,465 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Typical Irish arra shur twill be grand attitude.

    The opposite in fact.
    Let's just start jabbing everyone left, right and centre so.
    Happy then?


  • #200
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    blade1 wrote: »
    The opposite in fact.
    Let's just start jabbing everyone left, right and centre so.
    Happy then?

    Is that what they're doing in the rest of Europe?
    I'm sure they're medical professionals.


  • #201
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,465 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    I'm sure they're medical professionals.

    Enough said.


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