Changes in the GAA - super thread

Put a red line about 30 metres out from each goal .
Keeper must kick the ball out pass the red line .
It would stop short kick outs .
Also if ball is caught from same kick out that's the only time a player can claim a "mark ".
A serious look needs to be taken at the amount of hand passes a team can do in their own half .
3 hand passes should be the limit before a player must kick the ball .
The sport is Gaelic football ... But at this stage it should be called Gaelic handball.

JeffKenna wrote: »

Thanks for clearing that up Gerry. Here I was thinking it's the millions of extra euro they put into the team!

There's 80 kids in my young lads' under 7s group

And we are just one North Dublin club.

When I was a kid down in North Cork, we'd often have to start games with 13/14 players.. maybe 15 if the ref was happy to look the other way as one of their's would play with us..

They get to train on a 4g pitch too.. it's a fantastic set up that many counties never mind clubs would be envious of.

It's a credit to the organization. But it has the feel of juggernaut.

JeffKenna wrote:

Thanks for clearing that up Gerry. Here I was thinking it's the millions of extra euro they put into the team!

My daughter played for Judes, the club was run on a shoe string. Like alot of clubs in Dublin.
But tell me, how does millions put the ball in the back of a net.
The difference is the quantity of kids playing, developing the skills at an early age and the cream rises. It didnt happen overnight it took decades.

Gerry T wrote: »

My daughter played for Judes, the club was run on a shoe string. Like alot of clubs in Dublin.
But tell me, how does millions put the ball in the back of a net.
The difference is the quantity of kids playing, developing the skills at an early age and the cream rises. It didnt happen overnight it took decades.

Yea and its now out of control. Inter county football is dying and the GAA can't see it. They will when Dublin win the next six and attendances fall further.

Gerry T wrote: »

My daughter played for Judes, the club was run on a shoe string. Like alot of clubs in Dublin.
But tell me, how does millions put the ball in the back of a net.
The difference is the quantity of kids playing, developing the skills at an early age and the cream rises. It didnt happen overnight it took decades.

Small example how money puts the ball in the back of the net. Against Westmeath this year Dublin had five people at the game on laptops tracking the players GPS in real time. When it comes down to a tight game like the draw against Kerry last year the Dublin players are fed far better info in order for them to make decisions in real time. That's literally money putting the ball in the back of the net.

jay1988 wrote: »

Literally? No its not don't be silly.

Course it is. If one team has real time data feeding into the players and the other team doesn't that's money giving one team an advantage.

JeffKenna wrote: »

Small example how money puts the ball in the back of the net. Against Westmeath this year Dublin had five people at the game on laptops tracking the players GPS in real time. When it comes down to a tight game like the draw against Kerry last year the Dublin players are fed far better info in order for them to make decisions in real time. That's literally money putting the ball in the back of the net.

Ya that's not what literally means. You're implying there's a bag of money on the pitch kicking the football.
I agree with the point you're making but not with your use of the word "literally".

Gerry T wrote: »

In my 50's and living in Dublin all my life. Growing up most lads i knew played for soccer teams but would play for school GAA teams. Others played rugby, tennis, swimming, running etc...
I got into coaching soccer about 15 yrs ago and there was a massive shift, all the young kids were showing up to training with hurleys or gaa jerseys, they would be messing about hand passing. They were playing gaa on Sat and soccer on Sun, parents were saying it would toughen them up, but GAA was on the rise, that was 2005 ish.
Your seeing that on the field now with senior teams, Dublin does have an advantage, its population. But talk of backroom teams and money isnt relavent. Many clubs in Dublin have to get sponsors to buy jerseys, their handed from older to younger teams. Any county team could have more volunteers in the backroom if they wanted. Dublin wins for one reason only, their the better team. Thats helped by a larger playing population.

This is a direct quote from an interview with a Dublin GPO Paraic McDonald:
"The job was to increase the numbers and improve the quality of players. I was based on the southside, covering nine clubs, the likes of St Jude’s, Ballyboden, Thomas Davis, St Mark’s, St Killian’s, St Kevin’s. It would have been difficult, trying to work the club-school relationship when you were trying to cover that many clubs. I’d say 65 percent of my time back then would have been in the schools whereas now it would be 75 percent with the club [Kilmacud]

The big change came when the funding came through in 2004, 2005. All of a sudden you had 40-45 coaches. Instead of having to go around to 10 clubs, you only had to focus on one or two."

That figure is up to 60 or 70 coaches now btw. This is a facility only open to Dublin. No other county can afford to have that number of full time professional coaches working on their development. Ironically Dublin can well afford it, yet they still get millions from the GAA to finance it so they don't have to dip into their own pile of cash.

So yes, Dublin's success takes a huge amount of hard work from a lot of people, but it's not fair to compare their resources to other counties that are relying on volunteers when they can have a huge network of full time coaches working on player development

kilns wrote: »

I like everyone are open to reasonable suggestions to improve the whole championship

What I would like to see would not be reasonable for a fast fix with short term effect. It would take years and massive effort to put in place. I would be suggesting an overhaul of county teams. The aim being to create as level a playing field as possible. Would involve splits and amalgamations. Amalgamations have worked in the past at club level throughout the country when people thought they wouldn’t.
Hurling and Football would have to be completely different teams. Obviously massive challenges to do this not least being that Irish people are so slow to change anything, especially when tradition is involved, e.g. the provincial championships.
However you mentioned reasonable and it is highly unlikely that such a drastic overhaul will ever be feasible.
There is an underage hurling competition that has different amalgamations of teams but can’t find it online.

Being more realistic, in the next couple of decades I wouldn’t be against the creation of franchise teams as the sport heads towards professionalism.
The country is very small, no need for anything near 32 teams competing.
May not be getting my thoughts across here well but I think change will come anyway over the next while, no harm talking about it.

jay1988 wrote: »

I don't think the question was who had the bigger backroom team?

I'm pretty sure it was do other teams use gps tracking like Dublin do? I think the answer is yes, (some also use it to throw at opponents) unless you know know differently?

Yes but my point was how that information is used. Bigger backroom team during the game = more real time data to aid performance.

JeffKenna wrote: »

That's for analysing stats after the game. No other team would have real time feed to five people on a laptop during the game.

Are you sure about that?, both sides use STATsport who offer a live pitchside tracking app to all of their clients, surely there not doing this for Dublin and not for Mayo?

jay1988 wrote: »

Are you sure about that?, both sides use STATsport who offer a live pitchside tracking app to all of their clients, surely there not doing this for Dublin and not for Mayo?

Back to my point about the large backroom team.

Croke park should come into use for Dublin in a leinster final , all Ireland semi and final
League games back to Parnell park