Changes in the GAA - super thread

LuasSimon

It’s purely down to population . A county of 1.2 million people that is now very organised is going to produce hundreds of good footballers where as a county like Cavan is going to produce a couple of dozen. If those couple of dozen emigrate which is life for most rural counties it weakens their hand further . Recent governments have steered all the jobs into Dublin and turned many parts of rural Ireland into rust belt counties.
Dublin has the population , the organised clubs and most of the country’s jobs .

Mantis Toboggan

copacetic wrote: »

I don’t think so myself but it’s not unlikely. Most likely way to split would be current council division, Fingal, City, DLRC and South County.

Currently would say you would have two division 1 sides and a division 2 and 3 side.
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Yeah that sounds good I Could see Dublin North being very competitive for an all ireland.

Imagine Dublin Derby final, north vs the City, would be interesting!

If it splits then intercounty GAA has about 20 years maximum left.

threeball

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

If it splits then intercounty GAA has about 20 years maximum left.

It has less than 10 if it doesn't

breezy1985

If Dublin does ever split I really hope they don't call the teams to vikings or the tigers or any of that crap

copacetic

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Yeah that sounds good I Could see Dublin North being very competitive for an all ireland.

Imagine Dublin Derby final, north vs the City, would be interesting!

Not sure how ‘Dublin north’ would be ‘Fingal’ currently I make it that they would have just Ciaran Kilkenny and Eric Lowndes from current Dublin squad.

RoyalCelt

I'm all for the inevitable Dublin split but I don't get how splitting it in 4 right now makes any sense. It's about as fair as the funding distribution in Leinster this past 2 decades. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

A split into North and South along the liffey makes the most sense? Fairly even divide and easy to differentiate one team from the other. Easy for marketing and branding purposes too.


If the Dubs want to lie on their sword and insist you can't do this because the game is based off county boundaries then sure split them in 4 and **** them up. But we shouldn't be proposing that. I've no problem with it only being split into two if it means we sometimes get an all dublin leinster final. But at least they'll be at a level other counties could now aspire.

dunnerc

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I'm all for the inevitable Dublin split but I don't get how splitting it in 4 right now makes any sense. It's about as fair as the funding distribution in Leinster this past 2 decades. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

A split into North and South along the liffey makes the most sense? Fairly even divide and easy to differentiate one team from the other. Easy for marketing and branding purposes too.


If the Dubs want to lie on their sword and insist you can't do this because the game is based off county boundaries then sure split them in 4 and **** them up. But we shouldn't be proposing that. I've no problem with it only being split into two if it means we sometimes get an all dublin leinster final. But at least they'll be at a level other counties could now aspire.

IM all for the inevitable amalgamations to go with the inevitable Dublin split
Meath with Kildare , Kerry with Cork , Galway with Mayo etc etc

RoyalCelt

dunnerc wrote: »

IM all for the inevitable amalgamations to go with the inevitable Dublin split
Meath with Kildare , Kerry with Cork , Galway with Mayo etc etc

Wouldn't Meath with Westmeath make more sense? Combining us two would actually give us a decent hurling squad too. If the GAA were to launch a 10 million euro save Meath hurling plan we could even compete with the dubs. I'm sure they'll be setting up that save Meath (Meath + Westmeath) hurling counsel come the spring.

Splitting dublin might be enough to even the playing field. Amalgamations might tip the balance too far against dublin post split. And we couldn't have that now could we, sure we need dublin winning the AI to save the sport.

Mantis Toboggan

Splitting into 2 would probably make more sense but we'd be back here in 10 splitting then again.

Remember splitting in 2 they'd still have 700k population, far more than any other county, they'd still play the semi finals and finals at home. They'd still have all their players living and working locally. Still have big financial advantages. That's hard to compete with.

LuasSimon

If Dublin is split in two would Dublin North and Dublin South still be the top two teams in the all ireland ?

ThunbergsAreGo

On the split, it would only help a handful of counties (at best) and do nothing for 70% of county players out there


"Dublin splitting helps the GAA because......."

CRI0ST0IR

The Sunday Game last night on RTE was an absolute joke of a programme. Suggesting the likes or Kerry and Cork merging together to compete in Gaelic Football should be classed as an International War Crime.

dunnerc

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Wouldn't Meath with Westmeath make more sense? Combining us two would actually give us a decent hurling squad too. If the GAA were to launch a 10 million euro save Meath hurling plan we could even compete with the dubs. I'm sure they'll be setting up that save Meath (Meath + Westmeath) hurling counsel come the spring.

Splitting dublin might be enough to even the playing field. Amalgamations might tip the balance too far against dublin post split. And we couldn't have that now could we, sure we need dublin winning the AI to save the sport.

Thats the only way its gonna happen splits and amalgamations or nothing at all
Meath with Kildare would make more sense .much better chance to compete with Dublin north / Dublin south

dunnerc

CRI0ST0IR wrote: »

The Sunday Game last night on RTE was an absolute joke of a programme. Suggesting the likes or Kerry and Cork merging together to compete in Gaelic Football should be classed as an International War Crime.

Splitting Dublin should be classed as an international war crime

dunnerc

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Splitting into 2 would probably make more sense but we'd be back here in 10 splitting then again.

Remember splitting in 2 they'd still have 700k population, far more than any other county, they'd still play the semi finals and finals at home. They'd still have all their players living and working locally. Still have big financial advantages. That's hard to compete with.

If splits are on the table ,amalgamations have to happen as well

ThunbergsAreGo

dunnerc wrote: »

If splits are on the table ,amalgamations have to happen as well

Depends on what the goal is

Is it to stop Dublin winning all the time? or to make the intercounty competitions one that can be won by any team

ArmaniJeanss

dunnerc wrote: »

If splits are on the table ,amalgamations have to happen as well

And IMO, it has to be everyone 'suffering' some sort of change for it to be acceptable. Would be completely unfair to leave just some counties with their original identity.

Personally think something like 16 or 24 regions with a population/market of 400K or 300K people would seem sensible and would be the way you'd go if you were starting from scratch. But we're not starting from scratch, so can't see any acceptable solution unfortunately.

irelandrover

Do you amalgamate for both codes. A Clare/Limerick amalgamation in the football would probably make it a competitive team but then the hurling would be far too good.

dunnerc

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

And IMO, it has to be everyone 'suffering' some sort of change for it to be acceptable. Would be completely unfair to leave just some counties with their original identity.

Personally think something like 16 or 24 regions with a population/market of 400K or 300K people would seem sensible and would be the way you'd go if you were starting from scratch. But we're not starting from scratch, so can't see any acceptable solution unfortunately.

Yep the only way this will work is starting from scratch

ArielAtom

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s amateurs vs professionals.

It’s not as simple as raise your game.

I really believe Dublin would be successful if they played in the Australian Football league

Your 1st statement is factually incorrect.
Every team has S&C coaches and have developed personalised training programs for each player. So to say it's not just about raising you game is untrue, it's far to simplistic a statement, but conditioning needs to improve in some counties.

I don't think they would. Totally different game.

Downlinz

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Splitting into 2 would probably make more sense but we'd be back here in 10 splitting then again.

Remember splitting in 2 they'd still have 700k population, far more than any other county, they'd still play the semi finals and finals at home. They'd still have all their players living and working locally. Still have big financial advantages. That's hard to compete with.

Splitting in 2 would be incredibly short sighted and make little sense at all, I don't think it'd even take 10 years before the domination issues arise.

Splitting in 4 would be logical, 4 new "counties" with a 350k population projected to grow significantly in the coming years, all with financial advantages and permanent home advantage over the competitors. Dubs should take that offer and run because the deck is still stacked in their new 4 teams favour.

An 8-way split is probably more along the lines of funding parity and when the Leinster championship becomes competitive to the other counties again.

ArielAtom

JeffKenna wrote: »

All counties in Munster are hurling counties bar Kerry.

Its the GAA and not the Hurling or Football association.

Rolo2010

irelandrover wrote: »

Do you amalgamate for both codes. A Clare/Limerick amalgamation in the football would probably make it a competitive team but then the hurling would be far too good.

Limerick and Clare wouldn't join in hurling.

Howitzer the 5th

breezy1985 wrote: »

If Dublin does ever split I really hope they don't call the teams to vikings or the tigers or any of that crap

You've very little to worry you.

Rolo2010

Rolo2010 wrote: »

Limerick and Clare wouldn't join in hurling.

Then why should they be forced to join in football?

Rolo2010

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Then why should they be forced to join in football?

That's the problem with amalgamations in Munster.

breezy1985

irelandrover wrote: »

Do you amalgamate for both codes. A Clare/Limerick amalgamation in the football would probably make it a competitive team but then the hurling would be far too good.

None of the top 9 in hurling will be changing any time soon

breezy1985

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Then why should they be forced to join in football?

Because their football teams win nothing and have small fan bases.

Outside of playing on the same size pitch it's about time we realized that football and hurling are different. I would support a north Munster football team but if you take away Limerick from hurling the GAA can go F off as far as I'm concerned

No one should be forced to join up but it should be an option

breezy1985

breezy1985 wrote: »

Because their football teams win nothing and have small fan bases.

Outside of playing on the same size pitch it's about time we realized that football and hurling are different. I would support a north Munster football team but if you take away Limerick from hurling the GAA can go F off as far as I'm concerned

And what about taking Limerick football away from Limerick football fans? Or do they not count?

Limerick+Clare wouldn't win anything anyway in football so why take the identity away? For what?