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    #2462
    dunnerc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    And IMO, it has to be everyone 'suffering' some sort of change for it to be acceptable. Would be completely unfair to leave just some counties with their original identity.

    Personally think something like 16 or 24 regions with a population/market of 400K or 300K people would seem sensible and would be the way you'd go if you were starting from scratch. But we're not starting from scratch, so can't see any acceptable solution unfortunately.

    Yep the only way this will work is starting from scratch


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    #2463
    ArielAtom
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    It’s amateurs vs professionals.

    It’s not as simple as raise your game.

    I really believe Dublin would be successful if they played in the Australian Football league

    Your 1st statement is factually incorrect.
    Every team has S&C coaches and have developed personalised training programs for each player. So to say it's not just about raising you game is untrue, it's far to simplistic a statement, but conditioning needs to improve in some counties.

    I don't think they would. Totally different game.


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    #2464
    Downlinz
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    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Splitting into 2 would probably make more sense but we'd be back here in 10 splitting then again.

    Remember splitting in 2 they'd still have 700k population, far more than any other county, they'd still play the semi finals and finals at home. They'd still have all their players living and working locally. Still have big financial advantages. That's hard to compete with.

    Splitting in 2 would be incredibly short sighted and make little sense at all, I don't think it'd even take 10 years before the domination issues arise.

    Splitting in 4 would be logical, 4 new "counties" with a 350k population projected to grow significantly in the coming years, all with financial advantages and permanent home advantage over the competitors. Dubs should take that offer and run because the deck is still stacked in their new 4 teams favour.

    An 8-way split is probably more along the lines of funding parity and when the Leinster championship becomes competitive to the other counties again.


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    #2465
    ArielAtom
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    JeffKenna wrote: »
    All counties in Munster are hurling counties bar Kerry.

    Its the GAA and not the Hurling or Football association.


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    #2466
    Rolo2010
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    irelandrover wrote: »
    Do you amalgamate for both codes. A Clare/Limerick amalgamation in the football would probably make it a competitive team but then the hurling would be far too good.

    Limerick and Clare wouldn't join in hurling.


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    #2467
    Howitzer the 5th
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    If Dublin does ever split I really hope they don't call the teams to vikings or the tigers or any of that crap

    You've very little to worry you.


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    #2468
    [Deleted User]
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    Rolo2010 wrote: »
    Limerick and Clare wouldn't join in hurling.

    Then why should they be forced to join in football?


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    #2469
    Rolo2010
    Closed Accounts Posts: 207 ✭✭Rolo2010


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    Then why should they be forced to join in football?

    That's the problem with amalgamations in Munster.


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    #2470
    breezy1985
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    irelandrover wrote: »
    Do you amalgamate for both codes. A Clare/Limerick amalgamation in the football would probably make it a competitive team but then the hurling would be far too good.

    None of the top 9 in hurling will be changing any time soon


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    #2471
    breezy1985
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    Then why should they be forced to join in football?

    Because their football teams win nothing and have small fan bases.

    Outside of playing on the same size pitch it's about time we realized that football and hurling are different. I would support a north Munster football team but if you take away Limerick from hurling the GAA can go F off as far as I'm concerned

    No one should be forced to join up but it should be an option


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    #2472
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Because their football teams win nothing and have small fan bases.

    Outside of playing on the same size pitch it's about time we realized that football and hurling are different. I would support a north Munster football team but if you take away Limerick from hurling the GAA can go F off as far as I'm concerned

    And what about taking Limerick football away from Limerick football fans? Or do they not count?

    Limerick+Clare wouldn't win anything anyway in football so why take the identity away? For what?


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    #2473
    breezy1985
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    And what about taking Limerick football away from Limerick football fans? Or do they not count?

    Limerick+Clare wouldn't win anything anyway in football so why take the identity away? For what?

    I am a Limerick football fan to start so get off your high horse. I would happily follow Limerick in a tiered championship or follow a rest of Munster or North Munster side in a single tier championship just as I follow Limerick now.

    But in hurling it would be a disaster to join any Munster teams. Two different sports with two different set of circumstances


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    #2474
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    I am a Limerick football fan to start so get off your high horse. I would happily follow Limerick in a tiered championship or follow a rest of Munster or North Munster side in a single tier championship just as I follow Limerick now.

    But in hurling it would be a disaster to join any Munster teams. Two different sports with two different set of circumstances

    If you'd be happy with your football team disappearing and shouting for Clare or Tipperary footballers then you would probably be better off with the soccer.


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    #2475
    breezy1985
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    If you'd be happy with your football team disappearing and shouting for Clare or Tipperary footballers then you would probably be better off with the soccer.

    I wouldn't be shouting for Clare or Tipp footballers I would be shouting for Munster footballers. Clubs in the GAA amalgamate all the time so why not. I support Limerick but in the future if something was to change I would support whatever team the players from my club represented if the GAA were able to make an honest case that it would make the championship more competitive.

    Me being willing to accept this does not make me less of a GAA fan than you so no I won't be off to watch the soccer


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    #2476
    irelandrover
    Registered Users Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Rolo2010 wrote: »
    Limerick and Clare wouldn't join in hurling.

    So now you have Clare GAA, Limerick GAA amd a Climerick GAA? That seems to just increase the costs.


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    #2477
    JeffKenna
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    I wouldn't be shouting for Clare or Tipp footballers I would be shouting for Munster footballers. Clubs in the GAA amalgamate all the time so why not. I support Limerick but in the future if something was to change I would support whatever team the players from my club represented if the GAA were able to make an honest case that it would make the championship more competitive.

    Me being willing to accept this does not make me less of a GAA fan than you so no I won't be off to watch the soccer

    But a Munster team has already happened and been a failure. Remember the railway cup?


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    #2478
    RoyalCelt
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    JeffKenna wrote: »
    But a Munster team has already happened and been a failure. Remember the railway cup?

    We currently have an amalgamation of 4 counties in Dublin and it's an even bigger failure.


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    #2479
    dunnerc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    We currently have an amalgamation of 4 counties in Dublin and it's an even bigger failure.

    Pure nonsense Dublin is 1 county , and its doing very well ;)


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    #2480
    JeffKenna
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    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    We currently have an amalgamation of 4 counties in Dublin and it's an even bigger failure.

    Split Dublin in 4. All 4 play off with the winner representing Dublin in the All Ireland. The Dublin brand will remain and with one team you won't have a Dublin v Dublin final each year.


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    #2481
    Rolo2010
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    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    We currently have an amalgamation of 4 counties in Dublin and it's an even bigger failure.

    Those 4 counties are meaningless for GAA. Nobody cares about Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown. Any split of Dublin will be at most 2 (north and south of the river). Maybe 3 if a Fingal team was created.


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    #2482
    breezy1985
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    JeffKenna wrote: »
    But a Munster team has already happened and been a failure. Remember the railway cup?

    Did the railway cup team play in the All Ireland?
    No so it's very different


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    #2483
    dunnerc
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    JeffKenna wrote: »
    Split Dublin in 4. All 4 play off with the winner representing Dublin in the All Ireland. The Dublin brand will remain and with one team you won't have a Dublin v Dublin final each year.

    How would this benefit the likes of Leitrim Sligo Wicklow Waterford etc ?
    If Dublin is to be split amalgamations must happen also .


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    #2484
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users Posts: 17,791 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I don't see why any counties should be amalgamating, maybe counties with less than 60k population.

    Splitting Dublin 4 ways would solve alot of issues and make the Leinster championship competitive again.

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    #2485
    JeffKenna
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    dunnerc wrote: »
    How would this benefit the likes of Leitrim Sligo Wicklow Waterford etc ?
    If Dublin is to be split amalgamations must happen also .

    I'm not sure there's any solution to Division 4 teams being uncompetive and that's more of a red herring. The goal is to make Division 1 teams at least competitive again, which this would do.


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    #2486
    breezy1985
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    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I don't see why any counties should be amalgamating, maybe counties with less than 60k population.

    Splitting Dublin 4 ways would solve alot of issues and make the Leinster championship competitive again.

    Population isn't everything. Limerick have a big population but very little of it cares about football.

    I would be ok with team amalgamating as long as it is voluntary and reversible. I really like the current hurling set up but if Connacht or Ulster ever got fed up of it and tried to compete for Liam with provincial teams id be fine with that too


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    #2487
    [Deleted User]
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Population isn't everything. Limerick have a big population but very little of it cares about football.

    I would be ok with team amalgamating as long as it is voluntary and reversible. I really like the current hurling set up but if Connacht or Ulster ever got fed up of it and tried to compete for Liam with provincial teams id be fine with that too

    Yet everyone loves to throw Dublins population around like every single one of them is a potential footballer.


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    #2488
    ArmaniJeanss
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    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I don't see why any counties should be amalgamating, maybe counties with less than 60k population.

    Splitting Dublin 4 ways would solve alot of issues and make the Leinster championship competitive again.

    To me that comes down to you wanting Dublin to be the only ones to take the pain. I don't think it could work that way - the split of Dublin could only work if everyone else was getting restructured in some way as well.

    Your idea of just a Dublin fix might indeed solve some issues, but it would get zero buy-in from Dublin people. And it's pretty essential for the GAA that they don't lose Dublin. People I talk to, pretty hard-core fans, talk in terms of a mass boycott (both of players and fans) if there's a Dublin split. We have deep-rooted pride in the county lines as well. If it's an unpalatable concept for people from Mayo or Kerry or Sligo to consider it, remember we feel the same way.


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    #2489
    irelandrover
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    I think there is a big difference in a split and an amalgamation. If there is a split then you are still supporting the players from your local area. If there is an amalgamation then you are now supporting players who used to be your closest rivals. So in my opinion they are not the same thing at all.


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    #2490
    dunnerc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I don't see why any counties should be amalgamating, maybe counties with less than 60k population.

    Splitting Dublin 4 ways would solve alot of issues and make the Leinster championship competitive again.[/QUOTE

    Well your entitled to your opinion
    I disagree , it will only work if amalgamations happen
    How will the Munster championship be competitive
    Kerry have 81 Munster titles , total domination


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    #2491
    ArmaniJeanss
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    irelandrover wrote: »
    I think there is a big difference in a split and an amalgamation. If there is a split then you are still supporting the players from your local area. If there is an amalgamation then you are now supporting players who used to be your closest rivals. So in my opinion they are not the same thing at all.

    With a split, your closest deadliest rivals are now players who you recently cheered on.
    It's much the same imo (as in it's bad either way)


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