Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 11:50PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I don't disagree with you on any of that .

But opening all up is a mistake at this time.

If it was going to be enforced properly ,I would say ok .

But we have been here a couple of times before .
Nothing is enforced , and when the proverbial hits the fan everyone starts blaming NPHET ,the hospitals ,the HSE ,the government , the buskers , etc and this will be unenforceable now because , sure its Christmas .

What's all though?

You're talking retail, restaurants and gastro pubs open

I still doubt wet pubs will be allowed open

hmmm · 26-11-2020 11:50PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So what do you want to see happen, stay in level 5, keep restaurants closed until a vaccine. Allowing people to go for dinner for an hour and half is hardly the end of the world. We have become too soft and if cases do rise to over a 1000 or 1500 then introduce level 5 again, we know it works and we know hospitals will come no where near getting overwhelmed despite the 2 week ****e we always hear.

Maybe not all of us want to have endless Level 5 lockdowns because a few people want to go out for pints?

dmakc · 26-11-2020 11:51PM

wes wrote: »

Government ignored advice the last time, ended up with us having a 6 week lockdown instead of a 4 week one. The 6 weeks will have caused far more damage than a 4 week one.

This latest decision will once again damage the economy and also cost peoples lives. NPHET will ultimately be proven correct again, and we will have another shutdown, when if we did things right, we could have avoided.

Honestly, its depressing that they are doing this again.

You honestly think Nphet would have left it at 4 weeks? They're barely letting go of this 6 week one.

niallo27 · 26-11-2020 11:51PM

wes wrote: »

Government ignored advice the last time, ended up with us having a 6 week lockdown instead of a 4 week one. The 6 weeks will have caused far more damage than a 4 week one.

This latest decision will once again damage the economy and also cost peoples lives. NPHET will ultimately be proven correct again, and we will have another shutdown, when if we did things right, we could have avoided.

Honestly, its depressing that they are doing this again.

So what your saying we should stay in lockdown now to avoid being in lockdown in the future or how do you recommend we do things right.

growleaves · 26-11-2020 11:53PM

wes wrote: »

Government ignored advice the last time, ended up with us having a 6 week lockdown instead of a 4 week one. The 6 weeks will have caused far more damage than a 4 week one.

This latest decision will once again damage the economy and also cost peoples lives. NPHET will ultimately be proven correct again, and we will have another shutdown, when if we did things right, we could have avoided.

Honestly, its depressing that they are doing this again.

But if we don't come out of lockdown after 6 weeks then it isn't a 6 week lockdown, surely you can see that? If we stay in for 8 weeks it becomes an 8 week lockdown, 10 weeks etc.

Yes, NPHET will have a collection of asymptomatic PCR test positives which 'proves' we owe Daddy Holohan a humble apology and away we go into another 2 months of embargo.

wes · 26-11-2020 11:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lol!!!

Have you been paying any attention?

If NPHET say 6 weeks, you can assume they really mean 12 and will then want another 6 with very slight relaxations.

It’s just not sustainable anymore.

A collapsed health care system is not sustainable either.

We will be back to being locked down soon enough, with rising cases and more deaths just like last time.

D.Q · 26-11-2020 11:53PM

What is this **** hitting the fan that people are talking about? Wha happened in September/October that was so horrible?

Did deaths rise? Were hospitals overwhelmed?

No and no. Maybe Tony holohan can lead yous all pied piper style to a safe house underground to hide until the vaccine arrives.

Polar101 · 26-11-2020 11:53PM

I thought the Vintner's Association didn't think it was worth opening anything just for a few weeks, so will they be against government recommendations now?

wes · 26-11-2020 11:54PM

dmakc wrote: »

You honestly think Nphet would have left it at 4 weeks? They're barely letting go of this 6 week one.

If the number justified it, then yes.

Hulk Hands · 26-11-2020 11:54PM

I still can't get over the stupidity of the argument "stay in lockdown now so we can avoid a lockdown later"

niallo27 · 26-11-2020 11:54PM

hmmm wrote: »

Maybe not all of us want to have endless Level 5 lockdowns because a few people want to go out for pints?

So what do you want to see happen, you keep avoiding the question. What would you have done. Also getting out for a meal and feeling normal for an hour or 2 isn't just all about going for pints.

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 11:54PM

''Senior sources said that there would be tighter rules including cutting the time allowed at a table and cutting the number of people allowed to sit together in restaurants.'' What was it up to now, max 6 at a table and 1 hour 45/2 hours?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/restaurants-and-gastropubs-to-reopen-in-december-under-government-plan-1.4420274

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 11:56PM

Eod100 wrote: »

''Senior sources said that there would be tighter rules including cutting the time allowed at a table and cutting the number of people allowed to sit together in restaurants.'' What was it up to now, max 6 at a table and 1 hour 45/2 hours?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/restaurants-and-gastropubs-to-reopen-in-december-under-government-plan-1.4420274

6 and 1.45 but to be honest for restaurants no idea how you can cut the 1hr 45 you'd be struggling to finish a decent 3 course in less.

Then again the 1hr 45 mins was quite loosely applied

GazzaL · 26-11-2020 11:56PM

hmmm wrote: »

Maybe not all of us want to have endless Level 5 lockdowns because a few people want to go out for pints?

The only reason we're in a level 5 lockdown is because NPHET failed to put in place a suitable testing and contact tracing regime and failed to improve ICU capacity. We're not in level 5 because of pubs, and if we go to level 5 again in January, it won't be because of pubs, it'll be because of NPHET's continued failures.

NPHET predominantely consists of the top brass of the failed HSE. It's unrealistic to expect them to achieve anything remotely successful given their track record of failure. Unfortunately, they have been the de facto government since March, hence why the country and the economy is going down the toilet.

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 11:56PM

Yeah 105 mins and 6 afaik

So maybe 90 mins and 4 in a table?

MOR316 · 26-11-2020 11:56PM

Eod100 wrote: »

''Senior sources said that there would be tighter rules including cutting the time allowed at a table and cutting the number of people allowed to sit together in restaurants.'' What was it up to now, max 6 at a table and 1 hour 45/2 hours?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/restaurants-and-gastropubs-to-reopen-in-december-under-government-plan-1.4420274

I would imagine it would stay at two hours. But again, how do you enforce that?

I'll be on my own anyways so, don't give a **** about number cuttings personally

D.Q · 26-11-2020 11:57PM

Thankfully the government are finally making the right calls and we're not being held to ransom by power mad civil servants and paranoid curtain twitching maniacs.

Roll on Christmas. Roll on chicken wings. Roll on lovely pints.

wes · 26-11-2020 11:57PM

growleaves wrote: »

But if we don't come out of lockdown after 6 weeks then it isn't a 6 week lockdown, surely you can see that? If we stay in for 8 weeks it becomes an 8 week lockdown, 10 weeks etc.

Yes, NPHET will have a collection of asymptomatic PCR test positives which 'proves' we owe Daddy Holohan a humble apology and away we go into another 2 months of embargo.

NPHET recommendations are based on numbers, and they have been proven correct several times already.

We know that to remain open we need to keep the numbers low. If we don't we end up needing a lockdown. Why people can't cop this is beyond me. Letting the virus run wild doesn't work either. Sweden economy is worse than there neighbors.

So again, get the numbers down low, and keep them down low, if we want to maintain stuff staying open.

growleaves · 26-11-2020 11:58PM

hmmm wrote: »

Maybe not all of us want to have endless Level 5 lockdowns because a few people want to go out for pints?

But coming out of Level 5 is what triggers the necessity of going to Level 5 according to lockdown-logic. Therefore how is escape from Level 5 even possible?

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 11:58PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

6 and 1.45 but to be honest for restaurants no idea how you can cut the 1hr 45 you'd be struggling to finish a decent 3 course in less.

Then again the 1hr 45 mins was quite loosely applied

Yeah 3 courses will be a struggle alright

Few times I went to a restaurant you were given the bill at 1.40 and told to finish up your drinks as the next table would be in less than 20 mins later

MOR316 · 26-11-2020 11:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

6 and 1.45 but to be honest for restaurants no idea how you can cut the 1hr 45 you'd be struggling to finish a decent 3 course in less.

Then again the 1hr 45 mins was quite loosely applied

Depends where you go.

Had dinner in Sophie's during the summer. They were standing over me, waiting to kick me out after 1hr 20mins ffs.

Cafe En Seine ****ed me out after a 1hr and 45 mins, on the dot!

The rest, it depends. I was on my own mostly so I could stay a bit longer. Can't comment on larger groups

FinglasFollain · 26-11-2020 11:59PM

It’s funny how last few days the issue was pubs. Pubs would cause cases, mayhem, deaths. Now given pubs won’t open, it’s restaurants. There are people on here maintaining that these choices made by government (restaurants is the only choice they have realistically) will lead to deaths. It’s crazy. It’s mass hysteria, driven by wild theories. Restaurants didn’t lead to deaths in the summer when we were all encouraged to eat all over Ireland (they led to small rises, negligible compared to other sectors).

I’d guess that if there was no chance restaurants would open, and that shopping centres was the issue, there’d be people here and in NPHET that would want them to remain shut to ‘save lives’ because they’re too dangerous and would lead to ‘carnage’.

D.Q · 26-11-2020 11:59PM

GazzaL wrote: »

The only reason we're in a level 5 lockdown is because NPHET failed to put in place a suitable testing and contact tracing regime and failed to improve ICU capacity. We're not in level 5 because of pubs, and if we go to level 5 again in January, it won't be because of pubs, it'll be because of NPHET's continued failures.

NPHET predominantely consists of the top brass of the failed HSE. It's unrealistic to expect them to achieve anything remotely successful given their track record of failure. Unfortunately, they have been the de facto government since March, hence why the country and the economy is going down the toilet.

All they have is lockdown. There's no living with anything. Congratulations and back slapping over having the best numbers in Europe when we've had by far the longest lasting most draconian restrictions.

hmmm · 26-11-2020 11:59PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So what do you want to see happen, you keep avoiding the question. What would you have done. Also getting out for a meal and feeling normal for an hour or 2 isn't just all about going for pints.

Indoor locations, poorly ventilated, people talking and particularly shouting are where the virus spreads fast. They shouldn't reopen or we'll be back in lockdown again. That's not me, that's the virus. 2 metres is not a magic barrier which protects you from a virus which is airborne, that science is out of date.

Outdoor anything I'm fine with, take-aways etc.

We can live with the above until the vaccines arrive and turn the tide. We're stuck in this stupid cycle of reopening too much and having a panicked lockdown a few weeks later as case inevitably spike.

MD1990 · 27-11-2020 12:01AM

no mentioning of allowing kids play football or amateur football returning. Outdoors & is safe.

But pubs & restaurants allowed open.

Obesity epidemic will also be a problem too at least gyms will be open but will be closed in January though

MOR316 · 27-11-2020 12:01AM

D.Q wrote: »

Thankfully the government are finally making the right calls and we're not being held to ransom by power mad civil servants and paranoid curtain twitching maniacs.

Roll on Christmas. Roll on chicken wings. Roll on lovely pints.

And roll on Lynx Africa deodorant sets! :cool:

D.Q · 27-11-2020 12:02AM

FinglasFollain wrote: »

It’s funny how last few days the issue was pubs. Pubs would cause cases, mayhem, deaths. Now given pubs won’t open, it’s restaurants. There are people on here maintaining that these choices made by government (restaurants is the only choice they have realistically) will lead to deaths. It’s crazy. It’s mass hysteria, driven by wild theories. Restaurants didn’t lead to deaths in the summer when we were all encouraged to eat all over Ireland (they led to small rises, negligible compared to other sectors).

I’d guess that if there was no chance restaurants would open, and that shopping centres was the issue, there’d be people here and in NPHET that would want them to remain shut to ‘save lives’ because they’re too dangerous and would lead to ‘carnage’.

Agree with all of this. People need their hysteria. It's mental.

Atlantic Dawn · 27-11-2020 12:02AM

Nursing homes where 50% plus of deaths occured have upped their game but some are still run by idiots like the place in Kerry last week that had to be seized by the HSE because it was in complete disaray.

https://www.thejournal.ie/oaklands-nursing-home-5279958-Nov2020/

KaneToad · 27-11-2020 12:02AM

D.Q wrote: »

Thankfully the government are finally making the right calls and we're not being held to ransom by power mad civil servants and paranoid curtain twitching maniacs.

Roll on Christmas. Roll on chicken wings. Roll on lovely pints.

Which civil servants are you talking about? Any names?

growleaves · 27-11-2020 12:03AM

wes wrote: »

NPHET recommendations are based on numbers, and they have been proven correct several times already.

We know that to remain open we need to keep the numbers low. If we don't we end up needing a lockdown. Why people can't cop this is beyond me. Letting the virus run wild doesn't work either. Sweden economy is worse than there neighbors.

So again, get the numbers down low, and keep them down low, if we want to maintain stuff staying open.

Well you're assuming that the numbers can be controlled to a *very precise degree* by crude, broad-based political actions - that are so contrary to human nature as to be next to impossible.

That they came down after an April peak to single digits doesn't prove that you can legislate for infectious microbes. That may just happen every summer, ie seasonality.

So any unknown variables, so many base assumptions any one of which may be wrong.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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