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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #6752
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gael23 wrote: »
    There is currently hundreds of people on Grafton street

    Are you there yourself?


  • #6753
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Last seven days

    Cases - 2682
    Tests - 78665

    Previous seven days

    Cases - 2777
    Tests - 75149


  • #6754
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Great stuff.


    I reckon we'll see closer to 300 today as I believe they've held back some from yesterday.

    They will hold as many as possible back until mid next week and then it is with 800 to 1000 just to put pressure on government ahead of the L5 decision.


  • #6755
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    What's the big deal about 344 cases? It's certainly not worth getting our knickers in a twist. NPHET has conditioned some people into thinking that we have to have a tiny amount of cases or we are in big trouble. It's nonsense.


  • #6756
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Are you there yourself?

    I was yesterday evening after doing my food shopping. Lovely with the lights and people queuing for ice cream.


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  • #6757
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    polesheep wrote: »
    What's the big deal about 344 cases? It's certainly not worth getting our knickers in a twist. NPHET has conditioned some people into thinking that we have to have a tiny amount of cases or we are in big trouble. It's nonsense.

    Matter of time before hospitals are overwhelmed if R0 goes above 1. It seems like it close to that now and with restriction's expected to be lifted in 2 weeks and people travelling home etc. January could be extremely hard


  • #6758
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭eigrod


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    To be honest I'd have expected about 50-60 more than swabs today, swabs were higher than cases yesterday.

    Would be interesting to know when the other 40-50 swabs are from by epi date.

    Anyway either way today we had 2.36% positivity for the day, 3.3% for the last 7 days. Heading in the right direction after the brief blip.

    Are there many case denotifications being announced these days ?


  • #6759
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Gael23 wrote: »
    There is currently hundreds of people on Grafton street

    I went to see the Christmas lights on my walk today, and I just took some pictures from the top of the street and went straight home. Far too busy.


  • #6760
    AltGrp0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 ✭AltGrp0


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    A lot of people spout rubbish here on this thread that people are going to die with or without COVID and that its no worse than the flu in terms of numbers. And then a dozen other morons thank them for their post. Here is the true ratio of COVID vs flu for deaths based on current USA statistics.

    COVIDFLU.jpg
    This ratio is accurate only if you believe the cause of death reporting to be correct. Many do not, with some justification imo. Take pneumonia for example. If, as is very common, you recover from flu then die of pneumonia your cause of death will be reported as pneumonia. However, if you recover from covid and then die of pneumonia your cause of death will go down as covid. This "special case" reporting also extends to many other serious diseases. Around half the alleged Irish covid deaths had chronic heart disease for example. Around half were in their late 80s or 90s with multiple co-morbidities yet covid appears on their death certificates. This is not the case with flu. There is a strong case to be made for a correlation / causation error in this regard. I do not believe our medical professionals are in any way responsible for this error. The guidelines in this regard are issued by the WHO.


  • #6761
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    polesheep wrote: »
    What's the big deal about 344 cases? It's certainly not worth getting our knickers in a twist. NPHET has conditioned some people into thinking that we have to have a tiny amount of cases or we are in big trouble. It's nonsense.

    It makes a huge difference when restrictions are lifted.


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  • #6762
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Matter of time before hospitals are overwhelmed if R0 goes above 1. It seems like it close to that now and with restriction's expected to be lifted in 2 weeks and people travelling home etc. January could be extremely hard

    I'm sick of hearing about overwhelmed hospitals being used as a threat. It didn't happen when cases were over a thousand. So the numbers might go up again in January, big deal. There are vaccines on the way. The sky hasn't fallen in.


  • #6763
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    AltGrp0 wrote: »
    This ratio is accurate only if you believe the cause of death reporting to be correct. Many do not, with some justification imo. Take pneumonia for example. If, as is very common, you recover from flu then die of pneumonia your cause of death will be reported as pneumonia. However, if you recover from covid and then die of pneumonia your cause of death will go down as covid. This "special case" reporting also extends to many other serious diseases. Around half the alleged Irish covid deaths had chronic heart disease for example. Around half were in their late 80s or 90s with multiple co-morbidities yet covid appears on their death certificates. This is not the case with flu. There is a strong case to be made for a correlation / causation error in this regard. I do not believe our medical professionals are in any way responsible for this error. The guidelines in this regard are issued by the WHO.

    genuine question - have you actually read the WHO guidance on reporting COVID deaths? cause by your post it seems you have not.


  • #6764
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    It makes a huge difference when restrictions are lifted.

    What restrictions other than pubs and retail closed? We've just been informed that Grafton street is packed. Things are busy everywhere, people are getting on with life and yet the numbers have come down to a few hundred.


  • #6765
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    polesheep wrote: »
    What restrictions other than pubs and retail closed? We've just been informed that Grafton street is packed. Things are busy everywhere, people are getting on with life and yet the numbers have come down to a few hundred.

    The restrictions on indoor settings are going to be released at some stage. Having a high incidence of the virus in circulation at that time would be very risky.

    The faster we get case numbers down, the sooner we can allow the hospitality industry to reopen.


  • #6766
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    The restrictions on indoor settings are going to be released at some stage. Having a high incidence of the virus in circulation at that time would be very risky.

    You give the impression that everyone has been adhering to the restrictions on indoor settings, many have not. Nevertheless, so what if numbers go up again? We now know that the sky won't fall in and there are vaccines on the way.


  • #6767
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Matter of time before hospitals are overwhelmed if R0 goes above 1. It seems like it close to that now and with restriction's expected to be lifted in 2 weeks and people travelling home etc. January could be extremely hard

    This horse**** again, 2 weeks from getting overwhelmed I'm guessing. We weren't overwhelmed in March when the virus was here for 2 or 3 months with no restrictions but you think we will now in level 3.


  • #6768
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    polesheep wrote: »
    I'm sick of hearing about overwhelmed hospitals being used as a threat. It didn't happen when cases were over a thousand. So the numbers might go up again in January, big deal. There are vaccines on the way. The sky hasn't fallen in.

    Because restrictions were brought in quite quickly compared to Europe. 1,000 cases daily not likely to sustainable for healthcare in this country to treat all patients that need care


  • #6769
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    polesheep wrote: »
    You give the impression that everyone has been adhering to the restrictions on indoor settings, many have not. Nevertheless, so what if numbers go up again? We now know that the sky won't fall in and there are vaccines on the way.

    Because it would be reckless to open up the economy with high levels of virus circulating. And we all want to get back to normal.


  • #6770
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Because restrictions were brought in quite quickly compared to Europe. 1,000 cases daily not likely to sustainable for healthcare in this country to treat all patients that need care

    The hospitals have not been overwhelmed to date and there is no reason to suppose that they will this side of a vaccine roll-out.


  • #6771
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Because it would be reckless to open up the economy with high levels of virus circulating. And we all want to get back to normal.

    We've never had high levels of the virus circulating. There is no need to feel threatened.


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  • #6772
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    polesheep wrote: »
    The hospitals have not been overwhelmed to date and there is no reason to suppose that they will this side of a vaccine roll-out.

    What would you do, in you were in charge?


  • #6773
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    polesheep wrote: »
    The hospitals have not been overwhelmed to date and there is no reason to suppose that they will this side of a vaccine roll-out.

    I am guessing the hospitals have had less people on trolleys than in the last decade, obviously a major concern is the amount of staff they have had ill.


  • #6774
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    polesheep wrote: »
    The hospitals have not been overwhelmed to date and there is no reason to suppose that they will this side of a vaccine roll-out.

    They have in the North of this country. I'm hopeful about a vaccine but no news on that yet in this country


  • #6775
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    polesheep wrote: »
    We've never had high levels of the virus circulating. There is no need to feel threatened.

    High is a relative term I guess.

    But from a certain level of viral spread, projections can be made regarding illness, death, pressure on the health system etc.

    Those projections are what drove the decision making on introducing restrictions.


  • #6776
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    Lockdowns do not work. We need to live with this until the vaccine is distributed.


  • #6777
    AltGrp0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 ✭AltGrp0


    froog wrote: »
    genuine question - have you actually read the WHO guidance on reporting COVID deaths? cause by your post it seems you have not.

    Yes, obviously I would not reference WHO guidelines without reading them first,
    Here is the article in qustion Article D. (I cant post links yet)

    "There is increasing evidence that people with existing chronic conditions or compromised immune
    systems due to disability are at higher risk of death due to COVID-19. Chronic conditions may be
    non-communicable diseases such as coronary artery disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
    (COPD), and diabetes or disabilities. If the decedent had existing chronic conditions, such as these,
    they should be reported in Part 2 of the medical certificate of cause of death. "

    So you see the chronic "comorbidities" no matter how serious or terminal the condition is are reported as a secondary cause where covid is present or "suspected

    Frame A: Medical data: Part 1 and 2
    1
    Report disease or condition
    directly leading to death on line a
    Report chain of events in due to
    order (if applicable)
    State the underlying cause on the
    lowest used line
    Cause of death Time interval from onset
    to death
    a Acute respiratory distress syndrome 2 days
    b
    Due to:
    Pneumonia
    10 days
    c
    Due to:
    Suspected COVID-19
    12 days

    Due to:
    2 Other significant conditions contributing to death (time
    intervals can be included in brackets after the condition)
    Coronary artery disease [5 years], Type 2 diabetes [14 Years], Chronic
    obstructive pulmonary disease [8 years]


  • #6778
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    What would you do, in you were in charge?

    TBF this question has been asked of posters since March. The answer is then ignored. Then later, the question is asked again. There are many answers to the question on the thread and I am not going into another answer for it to be ignored again.


  • #6779
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    High is a relative term I guess.

    But from a certain level of viral spread, projections can be made regarding illness, death, pressure on the health system etc.

    Those projections are what drove the decision making on introducing restrictions.

    The projections have been questionable, to say the least. I certainly agree with you that high is a relative term. That relativity has driven this thread. I'm off for my dinner. Have a good evening.


  • #6780
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    polesheep wrote: »
    TBF this question has been asked of posters since March. The answer is then ignored. Then later, the question is asked again. There are many answers to the question on the thread and I am not going into another answer for it to be ignored again.

    Fair enough! :)
    I certainly wouldn't want that responsibility, just teasing apart the argument.


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  • #6781
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    wes wrote: »
    I went to see the Christmas lights on my walk today, and I just took some pictures from the top of the street and went straight home. Far too busy.

    Maybe the other people on the street went to see the lights also


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