Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

SB71 wrote: »

Dine in Restaurants, cinemas,to name but two.

I don't think they are good examples.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So what I’m looking for is non essential entertainment businesses who’s business model is to get lots of people into a cosy, intimate setting and sell a drug which lowers inhibitions and has been allowed to operate throughout COVID.

It would be rare enough to see people intoxicated as much in cinemas or restaurants as in pubs. Nightclubs, music festivals, standing concerts would be a better example.

That is what the whole meal in pubs thing was about. It crazy that some people still feign ignorance about this, or worse still really are that ignorant/stupid that they cannot figure it out.

When people claim not to understand the meal think I have asked numerous times why they think this law below is in place, I never get an answer.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal_law/criminal_offences/alcohol_and_the_law.html

Children aged 15 and over, who are accompanied by their parent or guardian, can stay on the premises after 9:00 (10:00 pm from May to September) if they are attending a private function where a substantial meal is being served

"substantial meal" type laws have been in place for over 50 years, nothing new about them. The need to enforce them was not really there, the problem they were trying to prevent was not happening. If everybody starts jumping in front of cars tomorrow at red pedestrian crossings then we will see enforcement of the "jaywalking" laws we have, many are unaware we even have them as its not a major problem.

Many restaurants get permission to open in residential areas where a pub would not have a hope, as there is not a tradition of getting **** faced in restaurants and going out pissing in the gardens next door to it, or singing songs on your way home. If there was no covid and some sneaky publican started opening "restaurants" in residential estates which were for all intents & purposes pubs then you would have seen the meal laws enforced after complaints from locals, the dipsos would avoid those pubs.

Of course people have got drunk in restaurants and cinemas before, before someone claims I am saying its an impossibility or something. You will also see several posters very pissed off since the food reduces their level of drunkeness so they do not get the buzz they want and/or they have to spend more money on more drink to get to the desired state of intoxication. That is why I do not like eating with food myself, money plus the fact I am fat enough already without having food and more drink. People seem to be in denial about the origins of the "eating is cheating" phrase.

In the US many states enforced similar meal rules, some had interesting variations, like the receipts of the venue had to show a certain % of the income from food.

SB71 wrote: »

I assume your a non drinker,i dont know many people who enjoy a pint who refer to alcohol as a "drug" many restaurants sell alcohol, some cafes sell alcohol, they were all allowed to open, and they allowed pubs to open if they sell a €9 meal and stay for 105 minutes.

The cafes also had to sell meals, €9 was in place since 2003 and the law still existed before that. Again, it rarely had to be enforced but if you see old threads from about 10 years ago Eddie Rockets started serving beer and did enforce it, presumably to stop the place being treated like a pub.

I am one of the heaviest drinkers I know (check the bargain alerts booze thread if you want!) and I often refer to alcohol as a drug, as do many heavy drinkers I know. This is since many of us also use illegal recreational drugs and like to make the point that it is merely another mind altering drug, one which is more dangerous and addictive than the ones I would also take. Just because mammy and local sergeant abuse this psychoactive drug does not mean it's totally benign/grand and not "a real drug".

This question keeps coming up

Provide the necessary evidence to back up these claims that pubs are a cause of a spike in cases in this country

I did not see anybody here claiming they caused a spike. If I had a free bet my money would be on there having been more transmissions in pubs if there had been no restrictions, I cannot back up by choice of bet with any figures or hard evidence. Most of my friends are not heading to pubs due to the restrictions, they want to get pissed and the meal is hugely off-putting. I only went to a pub once since covid for a genuine meal and 2 pints, with family.

SB71 wrote: »

I'm logging off now, you've made a fool of yourself here , ive answered every single question and counteracted every single thIng you've said and your just scraping the barrel at this stage, good evening :rolleyes:

I think that's best.
You need a rest after that grade A ranting.

Think todays attitude by NPHET and the 'progress been disturbed' means No pubs/restaurants for December

All bloody predictions that the environments are super spreaders but no actual proof

No restaurants, bars, cafes in France until at least mi janvier quel catastrophe!

Close pubs and gambling establishments for good, future generations will thank us

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Do they get “Open the pubs” kooks on too? Judging by these threads, it would be difficult to find someone whose pro opening pubs and can string two sentences together, let alone create a cogent argument.

I really wonder if there’s a connection between the terribly low level of argument and the pubs inability to successfully lobby government around covid.

Ah come on now, there is no need to be insulting the intelligence of the participants on this forum. If the conversation if not sufficiently high brow or articulate enough for you, then you are welcome to take your leave.

What is an "Open the Pubs" kook anyway. Anytime I hear an argument from the publicans side it is usually headed by the VFI or the LVA

Heineken starting to uplift kegs from pubs again, I doubt we'll be seeing the inside of a pub this side of Christmas.

aziz wrote: »

They are only swapping them for fresh ones for the big reopening

Well I live in hope

They are not delivering to the pubs , just taking back the old kegs .

I want to know so that I can decide and/or plan with my old mates to meet up again; if the pubs and bars are just going to serve the full menu and if there are also alcoholic drinks or not. We've been wanting to meet up but the second lockdown postponed the plan.