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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • #802
    seligehgit
    Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    No, the real story here is that Varadkar gave an official Government document marked 'Confidential / not for circulation' to a buddy, simple as.
    Do people not understand the meaning of CONFIDENTIAL
    Do people not understand the meaning of NOT FOR CIRCULATION

    Totally agree.

    I would in normally be sympathetic to Fine Gael but this is the crux of the issue.

    The conflicting accounts re the timelines needs clarification.

    Leo Varadakar should not have passed on a document confidential/not for circulation irrespective of whither it was at that point in time ( his account/timeline proves correct ) commercially sensitive.

    ""Stephen Donnelly, then in opposition" clearly stated as opposition health spokesperson "he had no sight or copy of the offending document in the Month of April, suggesting the opposite of what Leo stated, namely the document was widely circulated and in the public domain."

    The tanaiste (then Taoiseach) in addition undermined his fellow minister Simon Harris.

    Perplexed as to the motivation behind the leak as NAGPI ( that appears to have folded due to clinical governance issues ) was not an official trade union/negotiating partner ?

    Was this a bit of one upmanship,an internecine warfare between 2 medical respresentative bodies striving to recruit new members?

    NAGPI had 40% of the membership versus 20% in the IMO.

    Or simply bringing the majority of GPs on board?


  • #803
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yet this deal wasnt published until may 18th?

    Theres no way out,the chap has been suppling his mates with confidential info from his desk and been found out

    Are you claiming the IMO statement from 5 April has been faked?


  • #804
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    circadian wrote: »
    I find it interesting that many posters who would usually call fake news, complain about "leftists" etc are taking a story from a left leaning publication and running with it without questioning the accuracy as they would if it were an article about someone further to the right.

    Did you not read where Varadkar admitted in his statement yesterday that he gave the official Government document marked 'Confidential / not for circulation' to his buddy, what has that got to do with left, right, centre, whatever, he admitted it


  • #805
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Are you claiming the IMO statement from 5 April has been faked?

    Actually, I think that might be the nub of the problem. Weren’t there two organisations involved? IMO and the one Leo sent the document to?


  • #806
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Are you claiming the IMO statement from 5 April has been faked?

    Jaez, the losing bidder was sent the contract before the winner?
    Leo got caught out here, there's no deflecting that. Not best practice would be a mild way of putting it.


  • #807
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Jaez, the losing bidder was sent the contract before the winner?
    Leo got caught out here, there's no deflecting that. Not best practice would be a mild way of putting it.

    What do you mean losing bidder? There were no bidders here.


  • #808
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yet this deal wasnt published until may 18th?
    That seems to be correct.

    The deal was done, it's outline was published, but the full detail wasn't published until later.

    The Taoiseach decided to provide the details of the done deal to what was the largest GP representative body (or, if you're in spin mode - his mate).

    I can see a possible misdemeanor here - I'm struggling to see a high crime.


  • #809
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    That document may have had that marking on it from months before and it was no longer applicable

    People here are really desperate by the looks of it for Leo's head

    If Leo goes for this then every member of the Dail will have to follow suit bar perhaps a handful

    Desperate smear campaign here by angry men like Paddy Cosgrave


  • #810
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    A guy on TV3 this morning talking about it said that this is not the type of story that the public will be interested in. Seems like the Leo lackeys have been sent out to he media today to do their stuff.


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  • #811
    Xtrail14
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 253 ✭✭Xtrail14


    Mehole will be bringing ky to the Dail tomorrow.


  • #812
    seligehgit
    Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    The real answer to your real question is
    1) because they didn't have a negotiating license
    2) because they were dodgy as hell
    https://www.businesspost.ie/news-focus/odce-launches-criminal-investigation-into-doctors-group-0ee1cfb8

    Cheers your posts have been very informative.

    That article is behind a paywall.

    Any other link to it?


  • #813
    joemurt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭joemurt


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    You need to calm down a bit. Backseat modding won't go down well on here, so you should probably cut that out if you plan on staying around. Given you are brand new to boards, I can help you out - there is a charter in each forum that should be read and followed.

    Here is the IMO statement from 5 April, confirming an agreement had been reached, prior to the document being shared:

    https://www.imo.ie/news-media/news-press-releases/2019/statement-imo-reaches-210/index.xml

    Want to say I'm wrong again?


    I'm new to boards but apperatly back seat moderating doesn't go down well here so you should probably cut that out if you plan on staying another 8 years. Friendly advice.


    OK, You're wrong. Again.



    Answer me this then - from the village article (Have you read it?) - Why would someone respond to O Tuathail group message ''I've got the contract'' with ''Copy Available? Where did you get it?'' followed by a reply by O Tuathail '' Cant say but its the real deal''?



    Followed on with another message talking about ''Steeling their (IMO) thunder''? by possibly circulating the contract in O Thuathails possession a day before an AGM?


    Varadkar was trying to extort pressure on a group the government was negotiating a contract with. This is criminal.


  • #814
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    So happy that we've decided that the law breaking was so 'specific' as to not warrant interest.

    source.gif


  • #815
    AlphaDelta1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭AlphaDelta1


    jackboy wrote: »
    A guy on TV3 this morning talking about it said that this is not the type of story that the public will be interested in. Seems like the Leo lackeys have been sent out to he media today to do their stuff.

    FG's spin department would have had a meeting yesterday at some stage and will put forward a concerted effort to bury this story. They'll be hoping the US election saves their man along with their pals in the media but we will wait and see.


  • #816
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    joemurt wrote: »
    I'm new to boards but apperatly back seat moderating doesn't go down well here so you should probably cut that out if you plan on staying another 8 years. Friendly advice.


    OK, You're wrong. Again.



    Answer me this then - from the village article (Have you read it?) - Why would someone respond to O Tuathail group message ''I've got the contract'' with ''Copy Available? Where did you get it?'' followed by a reply by O Tuathail '' Cant say but its the real deal''?



    Followed on with another message talking about ''Steeling their (IMO) thunder''? by possibly circulating the contract in O Thuathails possession a day before an AGM?


    Varadkar was trying to extort pressure on a group the government was negotiating a contract with. This is criminal.

    I don't know where to start with the above. A complete lack of understanding of what the agreement was and the parties involved.

    I'm actually done replying to you now, can't be dealing with a feedback loop back and forth on my Sunday.

    Enjoy the rest of your weekend.


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  • #817
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is the nub of the issue,if this info was to benefit one group over another (and the screenshots suggest strongly that was view held)...then is this corruption??


    FF have long been floundered by tribunals,micheal martin could clip leos wings here,and knock FG into line in medium term by holding an public tribunal into this

    You'd have to show the benefit. The deal was done with the IMO. There were no negotiations with the NAGP. The information was no longer sensitive and was fully published a few weeks later, with nothing occuring within that timeline.


  • #818
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I expect the story will fizzle out and be forgotten by next week.

    Maybe, but recently any politician that has done something wrong has been aggressively targeted until being forced to resign.


  • #819
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    joemurt wrote: »
    I'm new to boards but apperatly back seat moderating doesn't go down well here so you should probably cut that out if you plan on staying another 8 years. Friendly advice.


    OK, You're wrong. Again.



    Answer me this then - from the village article (Have you read it?) - Why would someone respond to O Tuathail group message ''I've got the contract'' with ''Copy Available? Where did you get it?'' followed by a reply by O Tuathail '' Cant say but its the real deal''?



    Followed on with another message talking about ''Steeling their (IMO) thunder''? by possibly circulating the contract in O Thuathails possession a day before an AGM?


    Varadkar was trying to extort pressure on a group the government was negotiating a contract with. This is criminal.

    What exactly was the contract for?


  • #820
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    That document may have had that marking on it from months before and it was no longer applicable

    People here are really desperate by the looks of it for Leo's head

    If Leo goes for this then every member of the Dail will have to follow suit bar perhaps a handful

    Desperate smear campaign here by angry men like Paddy Cosgrave

    Every member of the Dail who is caught leaking Confidential/not for circulation Government documents should of course go, has there others caught who didn't go


  • #821
    yabadabado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Actually, I think that might be the nub of the problem. Weren’t there two organisations involved? IMO and the one Leo sent the document to?

    NAGP weren't involved.


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  • #822
    joemurt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭joemurt


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What exactly was the contract for?


    You don't know? WOW.


  • #823
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I agree,hold the tribunal and see what come out

    Theres enough wrong-doing admitted to already by varadkar to merit holding one



    If said info was no longer sensitive,why was it not distributed to the dail or sent via headed paper....

    The lad has been found out,its simple as that in my eyes.....the fact nagp folded due to bankrupcy may be enough to save him,

    but politically long term hes damaged by whats gone on here if he survives this

    Tribunals are great for getting people off. :rolleyes:


  • #824
    yabadabado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    That document may have had that marking on it from months before and it was no longer applicable

    People here are really desperate by the looks of it for Leo's head

    If Leo goes for this then every member of the Dail will have to follow suit bar perhaps a handful

    Desperate smear campaign here by angry men like Paddy Cosgrave

    Id agree anyone else who is caught leaking the info like Leo has done then they should also be removed from office.

    Who else has done similar?

    Leo has admitted to doing it so thats one,who else should follow him out the door?


  • #825
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,146 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    AlphaDelta1 wrote: »
    FG's spin department would have had a meeting yesterday at some stage and will put forward a concerted effort to bury this story. They'll be hoping the US election saves their man along with their pals in the media but we will wait and see.

    I'd say your right. People were saying yesterday "why hasn't anyone come out backing him publicly?".

    1) in recent times politicians have come out swinging in defence of colleagues, only to realise that it was pointless given there was to run on a story.

    2) it seems that The Village have nothing more add to this story

    3) although I'm still confused, Leo did give a fairly comprehensive statement yesterday to which The Village had little to add to.

    4) based on recent opinion polls, none of the government partners want to even consider an election at this time.

    5) the particular issue isn't one that affects the greater population. A bunch of people who charge the working person €60 for a 10 minute consultation. In the overall scheme of things, it matters little to me.

    He may be able to ride it out but his reputation is damaged and secondly, the PR exercise today needs to be on point. If you're still explaining on Tuesday, you're in trouble. At which point, copy and paste....."the matter has become a distraction to the important task of government at this time"


  • #826
    joemurt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭joemurt


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I don't know where to start with the above. A complete lack of understanding of what the agreement was and the parties involved.

    I'm actually done replying to you now, can't be dealing with a feedback loop back and forth on my Sunday.

    Enjoy the rest of your weekend.




    WOW and I thought you wanted to be helpful with your friendly advice to a newcomer.



    Not nice at all. And an insult. But I suppose, just like the Blanch account, now you don't have to address the group messages I highlighted. Good for you.


    Have a great day too. Kisses.



    Have the Garda made a statement yet anyone know? This is a criminal matter.


  • #827
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭dresden8


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Not very common at all I'd imagine

    Leo always delivers................


  • #828
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    dresden8 wrote: »
    Leo always delivers................

    He could put that on an election poster.


  • #829
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The chap is entitled as anyone else to due process imo

    Agree but where should the process take place, In terms of law it should take place in a criminal court. Not some made up tribunal with no teeth. The law is clear on this.


  • #830
    yabadabado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Mr.S wrote: »
    I don't think you can say that in this case, the information was of no additional benefit to NAGP, they had just been left out of any dealings with the IMO. Was this not more of a 'FYI' type thing?

    If it was that harmless, then I don't see why Leo wouldn't go through the proper channels.
    Opposition tds couldn't get a look at it but Leo was able to deliver it to a friend of his on the q.t .


  • #831
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    The most telling aspect, imo, is the excitement of the doctors that the information was sent to - like they were chuffed having info they knew they shouldn't and wouldn't have without behind the scenes skulduggery and friends in high places. I guess we all know in our hearts that's what goes on, just uncomfortable to see it all exposed.


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  • #832
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    mr_edge_to_you wrote: »
    I'd say your right. People were saying yesterday "why hasn't anyone come out backing him publicly?".

    1) in recent times politicians have come out swinging in defence of colleagues, only to realise that it was pointless given there was to run on a story.

    2) it seems that The Village have nothing more add to this story

    3) although I'm still confused, Leo did give a fairly comprehensive statement yesterday to which The Village had little to add to.

    4) based on recent opinion polls, none of the government partners want to even consider an election at this time.

    5) the particular issue isn't one that affects the greater population. A bunch of people who charge the working person €60 for a 10 minute consultation. In the overall scheme of things, it matters little to me.

    He may be able to ride it out but his reputation is damaged and secondly, the PR exercise today needs to be on point. If you're still explaining on Tuesday, you're in trouble. At which point, copy and paste....."the matter has become a distraction to the important task of government at this time"

    Ok your 6th point:

    This is the only time he has been caught(allegedly).


  • #833
    joemurt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭joemurt


    Phoebas wrote: »
    He could put that on an election poster.


    I'd imagine it will be appearing on a lot of election posters soon, just not FG ones. Criminal stuff.


  • #834
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think now that Leo will survive this one. The public are sick and tired of their politicians as it is. They have enough to deal with and Leo communicates better than most of the idiot ministers in this coalition of chaos. FF must be delighted all the same to clip his wings.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #835
    joemurt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭joemurt


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I think now that Leo will survive this one. The public are sick and tired of their politicians as it is. They have enough to deal with and Leo communicates better than most of the idiot ministers in this coalition of chaos. FF must be delighted all the same to clip his wings.




    :pac::pac::pac:


  • #836
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    He’s such an upstanding citizen of this country, encouraging protestors to barricade in Joan Burton into a Garda car and all sorts of non peaceful ‘protests’, I wonder did he support people protesting outside Simon Harris’ house when they had a new baby.

    Stop with the irrelevant waffle please, that TD had an early morning arrest, and several days in court where the guards had to be instructed by the judge to stop lying (surely unprecedented?)

    Have not even read what Murphy said, but I can spot a load of irrelevant waffle a mile away.


  • #837
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    When his mate said Leo always delivers what did he mean? Has he leaked commercially sensitive and confidential information previously?


  • #838
    Nobotty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Nobotty


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    This is the nub of the issue,if this info was to benefit one group over another (and the screenshots suggest strongly that was view held)...then is this corruption??


    Its a gp contract once implemented that is the only contract
    Its a contract between gp's and the health service
    Its given to the largest representative body after its agreed for their perusal
    I'm struggling here,where is the benefit for the rival body other than familiarising them with it?
    In fact 18 months on if there's been a benefit other than knowledge to the now defunct nagp ,it should be easily shown
    The case here is very very weak
    Dead I'd say and I'd say vradakar is relishing it,to use his favourite words and we will see this in the Dáil when he speaks
    He is going to play the impatient opposition like a fiddle and has been handed a narcissists dream to do so


  • #839
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Stop with the irrelevant waffle please, that TD had an early morning arrest, and several days in court where the guards had to be instructed by the judge to stop lying (surely unprecedented?)

    Have not even read what Murphy said, but I can spot a load of irrelevant waffle a mile away.

    He can instruct The Village in the art of claiming free legal aid.


  • #840
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Just curious, no insinuation etc etc, but what exactly is Leo's connection, relationship etc etc with this Maitiu O Tuathail, I've seen him interviewed over the past few months, not terribly inspiring to be honest, more a mouth piece for GPs under pressure, stressed out etc.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • #841
    Nobotty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Nobotty


    smurgen wrote: »
    When his mate said Leo always delivers what did he mean? Has he leaked commercially sensitive and confidential information previously?
    It could mean he always delivers in politics, I think you're reading too much into this
    A Barrister in court would mince any case on words like that and ask for the evidence of law breaking
    Just think about it
    The only grain here is the official secrets act or something
    I'll tell you the way I see this going
    Vradakar will say the document wasn't secret at the time
    Or he will say he as Teesh had authority to share it
    Or the minister requested the copy go to o' Tuathail
    I'm struggling to see any straw to grasp here
    I'm not struggling to see how the village isn't in trouble
    I'd nearly bet Vradakar will bash them in public with facts and not bother suing after that, why would he bother let a then non story carry on
    Thats what I see now in my opinion


  • #842
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    When breaking the law, it’s always best to do it in a specific way in order to limit scrutiny. If you get caught don’t worry because your friend the judge who you play golf with will get you off.


    Can people really not see what’s going on here.

    Coronavirus is nearly endemic but corruption has been here for decades.


  • #843
    joemurt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭joemurt


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Stop with the irrelevant waffle please, that TD had an early morning arrest, and several days in court where the guards had to be instructed by the judge to stop lying (surely unprecedented?)

    Have not even read what Murphy said, but I can spot a load of irrelevant waffle a mile away.


    Odd behaviour.



    Fine Gael people perfectly happy to through ad-homonym slurry at non FG politicians, pull out the victim card when genuine concern is expressed about criminal matters. Completely in bad faith.



    Elaine Byrne - Barrister / Columnist BusinessPost



    ''Under the Lobbying Act, a representative body - such as the president of the National Association of GPs - who communicates about a ‘relevant matter’ with an officer holder must register their lobbying activity. Did Maitiú Ó Tuathail or Leo Varadkar do so?''


    https://twitter.com/ElaineByrne/status/1322648000305520642


    The answer is No, O Tuathail is not registered as a lobbiest. :eek:


  • #844
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,564 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    When breaking the law, it’s always best to do it in a specific way in order to limit scrutiny. If you get caught don’t worry because your friend the judge who you play golf with will get you off.


    Can people really not see what’s going on here.

    Coronavirus is nearly endemic but corruption has been here for decades.

    All hear say.

    What judge are you taking about?


  • #845
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1322848149640282112?s=19


  • #846
    Nobotty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Nobotty


    joemurt wrote: »
    Odd behaviour.



    Fine Gael people perfectly happy to through ad-homonym slurry at non FG politicians, pull out the victim card when genuine concern is expressed about criminal matters. Completely in bad faith.



    Elaine Byrne - Barrister / Columnist BusinessPost



    ''Under the Lobbying Act, a representative body - such as the president of the National Association of GPs - who communicates about a ‘relevant matter’ with an officer holder must register their lobbying activity. Did Maitiú Ó Tuathail or Leo Varadkar do so?''


    https://twitter.com/ElaineByrne/status/1322648000305520642


    The answer is No, O Tuathail is not registered as a lobbiest. :eek:
    He's just going to say he asked for a copy
    Thats not lobbying
    I'm actually beginning to despair at the poor level of scrutiny here
    So far nothing is jumping out to me as illegal
    Which means the village is in trouble if Vradakar decides to make an example of them IMO


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  • #847
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,564 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Nobotty wrote: »
    He's just going to say he asked for a copy
    Thats not lobbying
    I'm actually beginning to despair at the poor level of scrutiny here
    So far nothing is jumping out to me as illegal
    Which means the village is in trouble if Vradakar decides to make an example of them IMO

    The opposition and its merry men blew their load too early.

    What's new.


  • #848
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Mod

    joemurt dont post in this thread again - need to have a chat via PM re: backseat modding.


  • #849
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    Nobotty wrote: »
    He's just going to say he asked for a copy
    Thats not lobbying
    I'm actually beginning to despair at the poor level of scrutiny here
    So far nothing is jumping out to me as illegal
    Which means the village is in trouble if Vradakar decides to make an example of them IMO

    Did you not hear what Varadkar said yesterday, he admitted giving an official Government document marked 'Confidential / not for circulation' to a buddy, is there something unclear about this


  • #850
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I think now that Leo will survive this one. The public are sick and tired of their politicians as it is. They have enough to deal with and Leo communicates better than most of the idiot ministers in this coalition of chaos. FF must be delighted all the same to clip his wings.
    Your thoughts on this are incorrect. It will be a criminal matter, investigated as such and Leo will be forfeiting his position and possibly serving time in prison.


  • #851
    Jinglejangle69
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    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Did you not hear what Varadkar said yesterday, he admitted giving an official Government document marked 'Confidential / not for circulation' to a buddy, is there something unclear about this

    By the time he gave it was it still confidential?


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