Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Gael23 · 29-10-2020 03:52PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its worth remembering that all the virtue signalling nonsense we hear now, it won't actually last.

To paraphrase a professor from an interview last week, "there needs to be a grown up discussion about death". When the money runs out and all the cliches start sounding very shallow, then there will be a seachange in how society as a whole considers this virus and you will see a lot more practicality in the discussions.

Its just a shame that we will waste another year faffing about before that point comes, but it will come, and you will see a lot of things start creeping back to normal.

What’s going to change in a year? This is not going away

FintanMcluskey · 29-10-2020 03:52PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Alright Fintan, you're the poster who insisted that giving people a vote was anti democratic aren't you?

Aren’t you the poster who didn’t understand democracy can be attacked in the form of referendums voted on by people who don’t understand what they are voting for

bucketybuck · 29-10-2020 03:56PM

Gael23 wrote: »

What’s going to change in a year? This is not going away

Attitudes and Perspective.

Tacitus Kilgore · 29-10-2020 03:58PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Aren’t you the poster who didn’t understand democracy can be attacked in the form of referendums voted on by people who don’t understand what they are voting for

That's not what you were arguing about though - don't make me dig up the posts. :pac:

Gael23 · 29-10-2020 04:11PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Attitudes and Perspective.

Holohan is not for turning

Tacitus Kilgore · 29-10-2020 04:12PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Holohan is not for turning

Holohan being compared to Thatcher, that's a first for me now :pac:

finalfurlong · 29-10-2020 04:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Restrictions do help but they come at a huge and unsustainable economic cost. And it is only temporary. Cases will quickly start rising again once you reopen. So really it is a failed strategy.

Take the word of Tony if you please. But he agrees that cases will just rise again. He just doesn't really care because he is on a huge salary anyways and his livelihood is not destroyed. He'll just recommend level 5 again. Then again. And then again.

It was the biggest decrease in hospital numbers yesterday since May. There was even an article on RTE that said "Slight" decrease. Still the biggest since May.

Interesting how RTE lead at 6oclock and 9oclock with 2 reports from Brussels and France and lower Irish numbers relegated to footnote

Don't Chute! · 29-10-2020 05:06PM

https://www.vyzrtech.com/

I just saw someone on my local forum on Facebook put up a post about this seemingly suggesting we start using them. We truly are dealing with some of the stupidest people in history at this point.

mikekerry · 29-10-2020 05:20PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

https://www.vyzrtech.com/

I just saw someone on my local forum on Facebook put up a post about this seemingly suggesting we start using them. We truly are dealing with some of the stupidest people in history at this point.

ha, ha.
That's hilarious.
I bet you plenty of people will buy them though.

Ha Long Bay · 29-10-2020 05:24PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

https://www.vyzrtech.com/

I just saw someone on my local forum on Facebook put up a post about this seemingly suggesting we start using them. We truly are dealing with some of the stupidest people in history at this point.

Looks like they stole the idea from Contagion.

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MelbourneMan · 29-10-2020 07:35PM

walus wrote: »

Why? Everyone says that yet no one knows why. Could you explain?

Hello. Yes, certainly.

It is the very nature of the care of the elderly, those in care or congregating setting and homes, and the vulnerable, that they rely on close contact with carers for many aspects of their lives. This can be everything from basic life activities, nursing care, and various medical supports. And requires this close contact with a high number of people, who are also working with multiple service users.

This adds up to a very high number of workers who are otherwise interacting with the rest of society as they go about their daily activities outside their work setting.

Putting a truly strong protective barrier, between those requiring care support and wider society, through the large sector of those interfacing with both cohorts would require several unacceptable restrictions to work in a meaningful way : either a harmful reduction in service to those requiring care outweighing the covid risk, a 'firewall' sector of workers who would have to sacrifice themselves to segregate themselves from their non-work lives, or a ramp up of support staff of the order of several multiples to reduce the number of care contacts individual carers would have - and workers, facilities, skills, and resources to do not exist to do this not can be mobilised in a useful timescale.

funnydoggy · 29-10-2020 08:14PM

Read on reddit that since lockdown 1, suicide rates haven't deviated from the normal incidence. Is this true? I'd imagine anecdotally it's gone up but can this be quantified?

29-10-2020 08:20PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Ive gone outside of 5k for various reasons in the last week and have passed a good few checkpoints at this rate. Every single one of them have just waved me on. One stopped me and as soon as I had the window rolled down he just said “to work is it?”.. I was like yeah.. but Jesus to literally be giving people their answers takes the biscuit. You can tell they have zero interest in what they’re doing and I don’t blame them because its the biggest joke ever. Standing out in the freezing cold being lied to all day by people who know how to get around it. The definition of pointless.

Pointless indeed, my take on this is

OK, they've got to do what told by their superiors. So, go setup a checkpoint, orders followed, job done.
Once there, standing in the rain, they're aware of the oath they swore to uphold the constitution, which they would be violating by imposing these restrictions. So wave you on, job done right.

darconio · 29-10-2020 08:32PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Very hard to know.

It’s going to take leadership and an anti hysteria media campaign to undo the damage that’s been done.

Hopefully within the next 10 years concerts may return

Here, if there's something I'm missing more than ever is my beer in one hand, and the vibe of a live performance

JRant · 29-10-2020 08:52PM

In my opinion, until this CMO is removed from office then there will be no relaxation of restrictions.

FintanMcluskey · 29-10-2020 09:01PM

darconio wrote: »

Here, if there's something I'm missing more than ever is my beer in one hand, and the vibe of a live performance

Applying the current metrics that appear to be used to implement restrictions I can’t imagine concerts or similar gathering’s occurring for a significant amount of time. Year’s unless something changes in the approach

29-10-2020 09:03PM

I feel terrible for the family but this child, in his Dads words dies of heart failure.
He had a "severe" underlying illness and because he tested positive within 2ays of his death, he's Ireland youngest Covid victim.

You literally couldn't make this up.

This obviously goes some way to explain NI high deaths..

https://www.derrynow.com/news/news/584694/aaron-was-the-happiest-child-ever-says-the-heartbroken-father-of-northern-ireland-s-youngest-covid-victim.html

29-10-2020 09:03PM

I feel terrible for the family but this child, in his fer words dies of heart failure.
He had a "severe" underlying illness and because he tested positive within 2ays of his death, he's Ireland youngest Covid victim.

You literally couldn't make this up.

This obviously goes some way to explain NI high deaths..

JRant · 29-10-2020 09:04PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Applying the current metrics that appear to be used to implement restrictions I can’t imagine concerts or similar gathering’s occurring for a significant amount of time. Year’s unless something changes in the approach

Even when we had single digits cases for a period of time they wouldn't even open the pubs up. I wouldn't be holding out any hope of them happening here for a number of years. Best bet will be to head to the continent for them.

Penfailed · 29-10-2020 09:05PM

JRant wrote: »

In my opinion, until this CMO is removed from office then there will be no relaxation of restrictions.

You don't think they'll be relaxed after the six week period? In my opinion, they will be relaxed...for a while.

JRant · 29-10-2020 09:09PM

Penfailed wrote: »

You don't think they'll be relaxed after the six week period? In my opinion, they will be relaxed...for a while.

I believe they'll go to level 4 lite for Dublin and large parts of the country with the remaining on a mixture of level 3&4. There is no way the CMO wants pubs or restaurants open again this year. So there may be the appearance of a relaxation of restrictions they will still be quite draconian and not really allow people to get on with enjoying life and deciding for themselves what level of risk is acceptable to them.

FintanMcluskey · 29-10-2020 09:09PM

Penfailed wrote: »

You don't think they'll be relaxed after the six week period? In my opinion, they will be relaxed...for a while.

When the schools go back cases will naturally rise slightly, coupled with the natural Winter effect of hospitals at capacity and Tony will laugh off any plea’s to relax some restrictions.

It will be what it is until May/June

Unless Tony is called to heel of course

MelbourneMan · 29-10-2020 09:14PM

JRant wrote: »

In my opinion, until this CMO is removed from office then there will be no relaxation of restrictions.

It is not really a matter upon which one can offer an opinion - the CMO does not have executive authority in the matter of restrictions, which rest with the cabinet. Relaxation of restriction will be based on the NPHET analysis of the situation at a given time, and presented as expert technical advice to the government who determine the correct action and timings of.

Gael23 · 29-10-2020 09:14PM

Instances of Flu appear lower this year. But I think there will,be a serious push to spend much of December at Level 2

FintanMcluskey · 29-10-2020 09:17PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Instances of Flu appear lower this year. But I think there will,be a serious push to spend much of December at Level 2

What have you seen so far to think level 2 has any chance of being a reality in a few weeks?

Gael23 · 29-10-2020 09:19PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What have you seen so far to think level 2 has any chance of being a reality in a few weeks?

An acceptance by government that people won’t follow any guidelines at Christmas

FintanMcluskey · 29-10-2020 09:26PM

Gael23 wrote: »

An acceptance by government that people won’t follow any guidelines at Christmas

NPHET or Tony won’t recommend it because that will be accepting responsibility for any increase in cases after Christmas.

It will be level 5, but people will still meet family for Christmas.

Unless Donnelly can try again to give the Gardaí powers to enter the home!

JRant · 29-10-2020 09:26PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

It is not really a matter upon which one can offer an opinion - the CMO does not have executive authority in the matter of restrictions, which rest with the cabinet. Relaxation of restriction will be based on the NPHET analysis of the situation at a given time, and presented as expert technical advice to the government who determine the correct action and timings of.

It most certainly is a matter I can opine on. The CMO is behaving like he rules the roost. He constantly comments on items that have nothing to do with him and behaves like the defacto boss of NPHET, which don't really appear to have any dissenting voices. That in itself is most unusual for a group consisting of nearly 40 members.

He also likes to use the media to leverage pressure on the government to follow his lead and we have a really weak bunch in cabinet at the moment.

Anyway, I'll leave it to malcolm tucker to comment on experts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lADB9Qu53CY

The modelling and analysis of the data has been so shocking to date that it really is a complete mystery why anyone would even still listen to them without busting a gut laughing at them.

Gael23 · 29-10-2020 09:27PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Unless Donnelly can try again to give the Gardaí powers to enter the home!

It’s unconstitutional, he can’t

PTH2009 · 29-10-2020 09:30PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

It is not really a matter upon which one can offer an opinion - the CMO does not have executive authority in the matter of restrictions, which rest with the cabinet. Relaxation of restriction will be based on the NPHET analysis of the situation at a given time, and presented as expert technical advice to the government who determine the correct action and timings of.

but ever since the little spat they had in which they quickly made up. CMO and NPHET advice is strongly been adhered too

MM and Leo bowing down to King Tony

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings