Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

_Kaiser_

pjohnson wrote: »

So like the eejits who ramble(d) about "scare mongering" "sheep" "doomers" or "lockdown larry" etc? Its a very good change to see because all of ye sure as hell love(d) all that infantile rubbish and flocked to it. Nice to see people possibly coming to their senses anyway or at least grown ups starting to get involved.

No I agree.. It applies equally to all "sides"

But again there is no "all of ye". There are individuals with their own opinions on this particular topic. If more of them disagree with you that doesn't mean that resorting to labels to make yourself feel better is the best option either

By all means anyone should be able to disagree with the opinions given but there's is no discussion or debate if it can't be done coherently

Don't Chute!

KennisWhale wrote: »

Whilst not a teacher, this striking would be a two fingers to the government for their nonsense restrictions and I support it for that reason.

Maybe it would but be under no illusion here. This is not about them helping anyone but themselves. I suppose you can’t blame them really, I mean who wouldn’t want to stay at home for a year on full pay while the kids get forgotten about?

_Kaiser_

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Maybe it would but be under no illusion here. This is not about them helping anyone but themselves. I suppose you can’t blame them really, I mean who wouldn’t want to stay at home for a year on full pay while the kids get forgotten about?

Indeed. Kids already lost 6 months of their education and socialising (especially important at younger ages) because of this, to say nothing of the farce around the leaving cert.

Given that the teachers have thrown in the long standing complaints about pay and equality between teachers into their argument here, it does indeed seem more of a platform of convenience than a genuine issue they have - or maybe it is genuine, but it's undermined from the off by doing so.

Hence why public opinion is divided at best, openly hostile at worst

CIARAN_BOYLE

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Absolute rubbish, I have not had the flu vaccine in 30!years and never had a flu either.

You don't get the concept of herd immunity do you.

You have benefited from other people getting the flu vaccine.

Of course you may have been lucky to get an asymptomatic case of the flu at some point.

mikekerry

KennisWhale wrote: »

Yes, the doomers are obsessed with putting down any suggestion of mental illness.

The cult of covid and those that forget it is not harmful to the vast majority of us, follow TH and the government restrictions almost religiously. It would be a good psychology or sociology study to compare the covid doomers to those that followed the Catholic Church back in the day. God is the data and TH is the Bishop delivering his own interpretation of the message while the "butter wouldn't melt" politicians just want to look good in front of the Bishop but they are taking from the collection tray when he's not looking. Then you have the masses just buying into the message rather than the data and cannot discuss or debate, preferring to shut down anyone who criticises their little covid bubble.

It may be a different illness but nearly 6,000 people die in Ireland each year from the effects of smoking and thousands of others suffer from smoking-related diseases.So if the government are so concerned about peoples health why is smoking not banned and people who smoke put into lockdown to stop the spread of it?
Sounds daft doesn't it ( to lockdown people who smoke), and it's just as daft as these lockdowns.

Captain_Crash

mikekerry wrote: »

So if the government are so concerned about peoples health why is smoking not banned.

Definitely nothing to do with tax revenue, no sir... nothing to see here! I heard once, maybe someone can confirm because I don't know its accuracy, but the tax revenue from tobacco sales is greater than the cost of healthcare required as a result of smoking!

CruelSummer

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Maybe it would but be under no illusion here. This is not about them helping anyone but themselves. I suppose you can’t blame them really, I mean who wouldn’t want to stay at home for a year on full pay while the kids get forgotten about?

Your posts read as nonsensical rubbish in relation to teachers&their attitudes but keep that chip on your shoulder. Always good to have a target to blame for all of life’s ills.

Harry Palmr

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Absolute rubbish, I have not had the flu vaccine in 30!years and never had a flu either.

Are you Anti vac, would you use that line of thought regarding MMR and your children if you have any?

polesheep

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

You don't get the concept of herd immunity do you.

You have benefited from other people getting the flu vaccine.

Of course you may have been lucky to get an asymptomatic case of the flu at some point.

The rate of take up of the flu vaccine and the effectiveness of it for those that do does not provide herd immunity.

Don't Chute!

CruelSummer wrote: »

Your posts read as nonsensical rubbish in relation to teachers&their attitudes but keep that chip on your shoulder. Always good to have a target to blame for all of life’s ills.

So nothing again to say about my situation then.

Penfailed

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

And yet people can go out and about in Sweden and get on with their lives. These lockdown are bull****.

...and yet further lockdowns have been announced for France and Germany. Rest assured, if they are bullshít, they wouldn't be happening in these countries.

CruelSummer

Don't Chute! wrote: »

So nothing again to say about my situation then.

I’m not familiar with it as I am not following this thread continuously but you have my sympathies if you’re badly affected by the current situation.
As I’ve stated previously, I don’t understand our blind destruction of the economy or how we can sustain any of this passed the short term, what sort of long term outlook is there for our younger generation re Educational outcomes, job prospects. How can a society function properly & how can we shield the at risk groups more effectively.
I cannot stand the media coverage of the virus, its constant negativity, another anecdotal story on RTE website this morning.

storker

pjohnson wrote: »

So like the eejits who ramble(d) about "scare mongering" "sheep" "doomers" or "lockdown larry" etc? Its a very good change to see because all of ye sure as hell love(d) all that infantile rubbish and flocked to it. Nice to see people possibly coming to their senses anyway or at least grown ups starting to get involved.

Don't forget the beloved "hiding in your house peering out through the letterbox".

Penfailed

pjohnson wrote: »

So like the eejits who ramble(d) about "scare mongering" "sheep" "doomers" or "lockdown larry" etc? Its a very good change to see because all of ye sure as hell love(d) all that infantile rubbish and flocked to it. Nice to see people possibly coming to their senses anyway or at least grown ups starting to get involved.

Add 'clappy seals' to that list. There's another couple that escape me at the moment.

Penfailed

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I suspect this thing with the teachers is about them having their noses put out of joint by the nurses and doctors. They see them getting all the hashtags and hero status bull**** and are thinking but, but what about us? Don’t we get a piece of that juicy action? Our “lives are at risk“ too you know.

Ah Jesus. Really? I suspect you are completely wrong.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

...and yet further lockdowns have been announced for France and Germany. Rest assured, if they are bullshít, they wouldn't be happening in these countries.

there wasnt a peep in the 1st "wave" to be fair but now people are angry, look at riots in Italy..this may be the real contagion, when we see massive job losses, break down of amenities and mental health..

CIARAN_BOYLE

polesheep wrote: »

The rate of take up of the flu vaccine and the effectiveness of it for those that do does not provide herd immunity.

The requirements for total herd immunity is often mistook for the requirements for partial herd immunity.

Partial herd immunity can act as a massive break on the spread of disease.

polesheep

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The requirements for total herd immunity is often mistook for the requirements for partial herd immunity.

Partial herd immunity can act as a massive break on the spread of disease.

It doesn't work like that.

FintanMcluskey

Luke O Neill talking pure snot again with Pat Kenny.

Reckons a wet nose/more mucus helps prevent the virus

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

Add 'clappy seals' to that list. There's another couple that escape me at the moment.

“Ride me sideways” was another

Highly offensive stuff

paw patrol

Penfailed wrote: »

Add 'clappy seals' to that list. There's another couple that escape me at the moment.

i gotta say i loved the "clappy seals" dig

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

The obnoxious and arrogant posts from some on here really makes this thread unlikeable at times. It’s a pity as there is a legitimate discussion needed around restrictions & their impact.
Firstly last weekend some posters suggesting all those over 60 or some similar age should just remove themselves from society to ‘they could get on with their lives’.
And now this uneducated aggressive attitude towards the situation in schools from the hurlers on the ditch. And don’t even get me started on the public v private rubbish nonsense. Most people in the Private sector I know earn far more than teachers. They don’t work as hard either as they’ve time to be on boards all day posting rubbish.

For me, I think it’s a bit silly that it’s too dangerous for me to visit my mam for a cup of tea but you are expected to teach a class full of kids as normal.

The government decided that they wanted schools open at all costs and will do anything to make it seem safe. Manipulate data, lack of testing etc.

So I’m glad to see the teachers are pushing back on this.

Lots of other sectors would love to but don’t have the leverage to be heard.

funnydoggy

Anyone else in college at the moment?

This online learning shtick is f*cking horrible. Stuck in the one room all day, no college social life, lecturers who can't teach online, the list goes on.

Be interested to see the grades and / or dropout rates this year.

Cyrus

funnydoggy wrote: »

Anyone else in college at the moment?

This online learning shtick is f*cking horrible. Stuck in the one room all day, no college social life, lecturers who can't teach online, the list goes on.

Be surprised to see the grades and / or dropout rates this year.

College students are among the most impacted imo, its a great stage of life, lots of freedom very little responsibility and all the good parts have been stripped away.

As someone who is married with young kids i am a lot less impacted given that my job has remained safe, but i feel bad for those in 3rd level

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Numbers decreasing before we even entered level 5.

6 week lockdown is beyond disproportionate.

NPHET didn’t even want nationwide level 3 a few weeks ago.

Biggest decrease in hospitalisations since May today.

Numbers decreasing before we entered level 5 = three weeks after re-entering level 3 for the whole country and level 4 for three counties. Also, coming off the back of our highest numbers in months, with 7 of the 10 highest daily totals recorded coming end Sept / start of October. So one would like to think that the numbers were decreasing. Good of you to at least recognise that restrictions work in decreasing the numbers, I suppose.

6 week lockdown is disproportionate = subjective. I'll take the word of the medical professionals over a randomer on a message board, no offence.

NPHET didn't want nationwide level 3 a few weeks ago = correct! They wanted a nationwide level 5 a few weeks ago.

Biggest decrease in hospitalisations since May today = What? Where did you see that? The only article on hospitalisations I came across was this one from Monday which says the complete opposite of what you're claiming.

People are quick to thank posts like the one above, without delving into the meat of what is being posted. I get that people don't want to be in lockdown, nobody does FFS. But going down the road of cherry picking stats and numbers while misrepresenting what they're actually saying is not the way to go.

Whatsisname

Cyrus wrote: »

College students are among the most impacted imo, its a great stage of life, lots of freedom very little responsibility and all the good parts have been stripped away.

As someone who is married with young kids i am a lot less impacted given that my job has remained safe, but i feel bad for those in 3rd level

Theres been 8 deaths of college students in the UK since the start of term, thats 1 each week. None related to covid, and probably more than those who've died from covid between the typical college ages of 18-24. A lot of OD's and suicides it seems. Awful.

FintanMcluskey

Cyrus wrote: »

College students are among the most impacted imo, its a great stage of life, lots of freedom very little responsibility and all the good parts have been stripped away.

As someone who is married with young kids i am a lot less impacted given that my job has remained safe, but i feel bad for those in 3rd level

At least the college students across Europe had 5 months of normality.

In Ireland when they tried to meet with friends for socialising they were subjected to finger wagging from the most morally corrupt group of citizens in the world.

mikekerry

mikekerry wrote: »

It may be a different illness but nearly 6,000 people die in Ireland each year from the effects of smoking and thousands of others suffer from smoking-related diseases.So if the government are so concerned about peoples health why is smoking not banned and people who smoke put into lockdown to stop the spread of it?
Sounds daft doesn't it ( to lockdown people who smoke), and it's just as daft as these lockdowns.

Most of the ills associated with smoking aren't contagious and the ones that are contagious relate to second hand smoke..........You're right, it would be daft to ban smoking in public settings such as pubs, offices and sports venues where others might be forced to share the same space and get those who do smoke to isolate and keep to themselves......I mean a radical idea like that would never take off

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Numbers decreasing before we entered level 5 = three weeks after re-entering level 3 for the whole country and level 4 for three counties. Also, coming off the back of our highest numbers in months, with 7 of the 10 highest daily totals recorded coming end Sept / start of October. So one would like to think that the numbers were decreasing. Good of you to at least recognise that restrictions work in decreasing the numbers, I suppose.

6 week lockdown is disproportionate = subjective. I'll take the word of the medical professionals over a randomer on a message board, no offence.

NPHET didn't want nationwide level 3 a few weeks ago = correct! They wanted a nationwide level 5 a few weeks ago.

Biggest decrease in hospitalisations since May today = What? Where did you see that? The only article on hospitalisations I came across was this one from Monday, which says the complete opposite of what you're claiming.

People are quick to thank posts like the one above, without delving into the meat of what is being posted. I get that people don't want to be in lockdown, nobody does FFS. But going down the road of cherry picking stats and numbers while misrepresenting what they're actually saying is not the way to go.

Restrictions do help but they come at a huge and unsustainable economic cost. And it is only temporary. Cases will quickly start rising again once you reopen. So really it is a failed strategy.

Take the word of Tony if you please. But he agrees that cases will just rise again. He just doesn't really care because he is on a huge salary anyways and his livelihood is not destroyed. He'll just recommend level 5 again. Then again. And then again.

It was the biggest decrease in hospital numbers yesterday since May. There was even an article on RTE that said "Slight" decrease. Still the biggest since May.

road_high

paw patrol wrote: »

i gotta say i loved the "clappy seals" dig

Becuase it's so accuate and apt!