Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

KennisWhale

patnor1011 wrote: »

Nah. Everything will likely crumble quite soon. Next week US election will be a start of an end of this circus. No matter who "win" chaos is coming which will set economies in a free fall. No more lockdowns because nobody would be able to afford them no more. Covid will become a side issue.

Dems are relying on covid and the butchered response by Trump to it in order to defeat him. As a result, it is getting far too much coverage in the media compared to how harmful it actually is. Once Biden wins, we will see the hype around covid drop pretty significantly.

drunkmonkey

KennisWhale wrote: »

Dems are relying on covid and the butchered response by Trump to it in order to defeat him. As a result, it is getting far too much coverage in the media compared to how harmful it actually is. Once Biden wins, we will see the hype around covid drop pretty significantly.

You mean when Trump wins, your right though it's being hyped to knock Trump. He never gets any credit for the 60,000 people who didn't die of the flu though.
This is his second pandemic since taking office, the 17/18 flu pandemic hit the states hard.

Allinall

KennisWhale wrote: »

The Derry Now paper must have a seriously fcuked up editorial bunch to try to utilise this story in order to twist it into a covid doom story. Ciaran O'Neill, the author, you despicable human being.

Hold your horses there.

Firstly, the paper didn't try to "twist" anything.
I would have thought that a 17 year old dying from what appears to be a direct result of Covid is indeed a doom story.

Secondly, the boy's father gave an interview to the paper, so presumably he was happy to have the story printed.

Ciaran O'Neill was just doing his job.

mikekerry

aziz wrote: »

Well that’s Damien English off my Christmas card list��

He should never have been on the bloody list in the first place!
anyway a card is not an essential item so you probably wouldn't have been able to send it anyway!
FFS.
what a sh**show

HBC08

Gael23 wrote: »

An acceptance by government that people won’t follow any guidelines at Christmas

Yes,people will ignore the guidelines and head out to closed restarants and then on for a few imaginary scoops.

KennisWhale

Allinall wrote: »

Hold your horses there.

Firstly, the paper didn't try to "twist" anything.
I would have thought that a 17 year old dying from what appears to be a direct result of Covid is indeed a doom story.

Secondly, the boy's father gave an interview to the paper, so presumably he was happy to have the story printed.

Ciaran O'Neill was just doing his job.

You could make the same argument about the Schutzstaffel guards. Incredible mental gymnastics performance; 9.0 from me.

KennisWhale

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You mean when Trump wins, your right though it's being hyped to knock Trump. He never gets any credit for the 60,000 people who didn't die of the flu though.
This is his second pandemic since taking office, the 17/18 flu pandemic hit the states hard.

Well, I'm not a strong Biden or Trump person to be honest. I'm not sure if I'm more disgusted at Trump or less inspired by Biden! From following the bookies and general sentiment, it seems Biden is due to win; not because he is so inspiring but because they do seem to be trying to use the covid situation as a stick to beat Trump.

It doesn't seem like a coincidence that EU countries have coordinated stricter covid restrictions in the past couple of weeks, right before the election.

HBC08

dubdaymo wrote: »

Anyone watch Prime Time?

A complete Govt. nutcase trying to defend another insane Holohan restriction. I simply could not believe what I was hearing. I've come to the conclusion that anyone who would go on National TV and say what this idiot said must be under some kind of threat.

Have to agree with this,your man English made a fool out of himself,I thought McNamara was too polite with him.At one stage Miram said to him "but that's mad" after him trying to explain some point or other.

bucketybuck

Allinall wrote: »

Hold your horses there.

Firstly, the paper didn't try to "twist" anything.
I would have thought that a 17 year old dying from what appears to be a direct result of Covid is indeed a doom story.

Secondly, the boy's father gave an interview to the paper, so presumably he was happy to have the story printed.

Ciaran O'Neill was just doing his job.

Clearly his job doesn't include checking the facts of a story before printing it.

You know, that whole journalism thing we used to have.

HBC08

KennisWhale wrote: »

Well, I'm not a strong Biden or Trump person to be honest. I'm not sure if I'm more disgusted at Trump or less inspired by Biden! From following the bookies and general sentiment, it seems Biden is due to win; not because he is so inspiring but because they do seem to be trying to use the covid situation as a stick to beat Trump.

It doesn't seem like a coincidence that EU countries have coordinated stricter covid restrictions in the past couple of weeks, right before the election.

Haha,the EU are ramping up restrictions to infulence the US election!
Honestly,i only pop into this thread now and again to have a giggle at the loons.
I think this thread should be archieved and put on display in the National History Museum to show how people absolutely lost their sh1t in 2020.

KennisWhale

HBC08 wrote: »

Haha,the EU are ramping up restrictions to infulence the US election!
Honestly,i only pop into this thread now and again to have a giggle at the loons.
I think this thread should be achieved and put on display in the National History Museum to show how people absolutely lost their sh1t in 2020.

Okay doomer.

HBC08

KennisWhale wrote: »

Okay doomer.

Thats dissappointing, i was hoping for some more batsh1t conspiracies but hey ho!

KennisWhale

HBC08 wrote: »

Thats dissappointing, i was hoping for some more batsh1t conspiracies but hey ho!

It's hardly a conspiracy. The key point is that the Democratic strategy with Biden's canpaign is to play with the US covid response and Trump's failure. This is what they're hoping will get him elected. There is a strong chance he will be elected it looks like so the point is that the hype will die down after the election.

The EU lockdown part, sure, why not as I don't see why so many EU countries would all roll into harsher restrictions right now. The covid crisis died way back in early May. All data shows this. It just makes absolutely no sense that we have lockdown right now other than something must be up; extreme incompetence or something else.

The net point for you is to see how covid becomes less of a big deal after the US election

dalyboy

HBC08 wrote: »

Yes,people will ignore the guidelines and head out to closed restarants and then on for a few imaginary scoops.

Nah. People will ignore the imaginary deadly virus and have drinks and meals galore at family and friends houses instead.

dalyboy

HBC08 wrote: »

Haha,the EU are ramping up restrictions to infulence the US election!
Honestly,i only pop into this thread now and again to have a giggle at the loons.
I think this thread should be archieved and put on display in the National History Museum to show how people absolutely lost their sh1t in 2020.

Wow. One of the most ironic posts I’ve ever read

HBC08

dalyboy wrote: »

Nah. People will ignore the imaginary deadly virus and have drinks and meals galore at family and friends houses instead.

Won't they do that in level 5 anyway?
Maybe have a read of the post I was replying to

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

I really fear that we are going to continue this way until next summer at least. Around then we will probably need to start having a more grown up conversation about the future as our finances hit all time lows.

The austerity cuts to healthcare will be the very definition of irony.

MOH

Gael23 wrote: »

What’s going to change in a year? This is not going away

bucketybuck wrote: »

Attitudes and Perspective.

Or the idiots running the show could actually put together the robust testing and tracing system they promised us they had at the end of the last lockdown, which was supposed to reduce the risk of further national lockdown. Or maybe look backwards at where positive cases actually got it from to tell how it's spreading.
But sure that's only an "academic exercise", far better to rely on "best international evidence" for deciding restrictions, despite the fact that nowhere else in Europe has had the same ones.

Stormyteacup

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The austerity cuts to healthcare will be the very definition of irony.

Just can’t see that happening for a long time. Hopefully they’ll find the black hole that the money to health funding is going and plug it a bit.

But where will the money to service the loans come from?

Will there be a slight increase in corporation tax? Risky but still well below EU rates and some wiggle room. I reckon they’ll hit big business, which will translate to lower salary increases to their employees ultimately. Probably have a slow knock-on effect for attracting corporations and skilled workers but this government is not concerned with the long term.

Can’t do much with welfare - too many will be relying on that, even after PUP disappears we will be at elevated levels. Not just dole but social and affordable housing, rent and dependents allowance etc.

All ‘luxuries’ will be heavily taxed, and given the publicity on the amount of money sitting in personal bank accounts, income levies are a definite at certain levels of income.

We will be told that our taxes are going directly to benefit our health service so that we reduce the risk of getting caught out by the next Covid - and after all, we are all in this together.

Net result will be that a tiny minority will still get richer, most will be wondering where their disposable income went, and the poorest will be in poverty.

bush

I think we cant go any further than the summer like this. Drop all restrictions at the summer, drive on.

Chalk McHugh

Turned on Primetime this morning. Was only on a short while when i heard some politician say 'clothes are not allowed.' I burst out laughing to myself, knocked the tv off straight away and headed out for a walk. Now we know why the emperor has no clothes: their not bloody essential! The lunatics have taken over the asylum. Truly pathethic carry on.

Allinall

KennisWhale wrote: »

You could make the same argument about the Schutzstaffel guards. Incredible mental gymnastics performance; 9.0 from me.

Eh... No you couldn't. Not with any credibility.

Ten of Swords

US election posts belong in the US election threads, thanks

And, having read some of the posts here this morning, possibly in the conspiracy theories forum,

Allinall

bucketybuck wrote: »

Clearly his job doesn't include checking the facts of a story before printing it.

You know, that whole journalism thing we used to have.

What facts were not checked?

Downlinz

KennisWhale wrote: »

It's hardly a conspiracy. The key point is that the Democratic strategy with Biden's canpaign is to play with the US covid response and Trump's failure. This is what they're hoping will get him elected. There is a strong chance he will be elected it looks like so the point is that the hype will die down after the election.

The EU lockdown part, sure, why not as I don't see why so many EU countries would all roll into harsher restrictions right now. The covid crisis died way back in early May. All data shows this. It just makes absolutely no sense that we have lockdown right now other than something must be up; extreme incompetence or something else.

The net point for you is to see how covid becomes less of a big deal after the US election

Imagine believing dozens of countries signing up to tank their economy and allow thousands of their citizens to die in order to form some sort of background noise that may or may not influence the US election. As if Americans even care what's happening in Europe to begin with.

Some of you lads have gone deep over the edge at this stage.

amandstu

Can I meet one person outside for a walk if I am within my 5 kilometre area but they are not (they are elderly )?

Or do we both have to be within our 5k radius?

Penfailed

amandstu wrote: »

Can I meet one person outside for a walk if I am within my 5 kilometre area but they are not (they are elderly )?

Or do we both have to be within our 5k radius?

Strictly speaking, you both have to be within the 5km. Realistically, no one is likely to check...or actually care for that matter.

average_runner

Penfailed wrote: »

Strictly speaking, you both have to be within the 5km. Realistically, no one is likely to check...or actually care for that matter.

5km radius though and not a driving distance of 5k.


So that might cover both ye

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

Strictly speaking, you both have to be within the 5km. Realistically, no one is likely to check...or actually care for that matter.

Fines are being introduced for such behaviour where one is outside 5km of their home without good reason.

Please don’t encourage others that the laws are unlikely to be policed, it could potentially be a hefty fine

average_runner

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Just can’t see that happening for a long time. Hopefully they’ll find the black hole that the money to health funding is going and plug it a bit.

But where will the money to service the loans come from?

Will there be a slight increase in corporation tax? Risky but still well below EU rates and some wiggle room. I reckon they’ll hit big business, which will translate to lower salary increases to their employees ultimately. Probably have a slow knock-on effect for attracting corporations and skilled workers but this government is not concerned with the long term.

Can’t do much with welfare - too many will be relying on that, even after PUP disappears we will be at elevated levels. Not just dole but social and affordable housing, rent and dependents allowance etc.

All ‘luxuries’ will be heavily taxed, and given the publicity on the amount of money sitting in personal bank accounts, income levies are a definite at certain levels of income.

We will be told that our taxes are going directly to benefit our health service so that we reduce the risk of getting caught out by the next Covid - and after all, we are all in this together.

Net result will be that a tiny minority will still get richer, most will be wondering where their disposable income went, and the poorest will be in poverty.

Alot of the debt is so far down the line we can handle it over a long term.


Once out of this, we should do the following:
1) Cut the unemployment/dole after 12 months
2) Everyone that works should pay tax.
3) Increase tax on alcohol, let alcohol pay for its own drain on the healthcare
4) Any visit to A&E without consultant with GP should have a higher charge. This will free up A&E for the real emergencies.
5) Promote a healthier life style from grassroots up, back the sports clubs.