Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

27-10-2020 02:13PM

polesheep wrote: »

You must have been delirious, there isn't a nurse in any hospital in the country that has the time to do as you described. Neither is it part of their job description.

I've seen nurses doing many of these things (maybe not doing a crossword with them) but certainly engaging in conversations with patients, allowing patients to vent/ answer queries patients may have about their medical care. It's part of a holistic approach and to help patients make appropriate decisions about their own health care.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1046/j.1466-769X.2002.00107.x

Strumms · 27-10-2020 02:13PM

polesheep wrote: »

You must have been delirious, there isn't a nurse in any hospital in the country that has the time to do as you described. Neither is it part of their job description.

No, I was fully conscious and together my friend .

. No delirium. But it was in the main carers.

stephenjmcd · 27-10-2020 02:13PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Agreed.
But is has been widely reported of patients getting infected in hospital like the Cavan outbreak in the haematology ward and the recent Naas outbreak on the psychiatrist ward.

Have family members working in hospitals, if someone tests positive when in hospital its a new case and they're counted as a covid admission as they're now being treated for it, regardless of whatever they were in for initially.

If its deemed to be picked up in hospital it'll be notified in HPSC data as acquired in hospital.

Cavan and Naas for example will have been notified as hospital outbreaks and anyone who picked it up in there is now counted in the hospitals covid numbers for the duration of their covid treatment until discharged

Gruffalux · 27-10-2020 02:15PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

What time are the swabs generally out? I'm dying for a ****

Have a pre swab ..walk..( to forage nettles. Or scraps of barbed wire.)

thelad95 · 27-10-2020 02:18PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

What time are the swabs generally out? I'm dying for a ****

Ehm......

Wolf359f · 27-10-2020 02:19PM

normanoffside wrote: »

There have been a lot of outbreaks inside the hospitals (Cavan and the recent ones in Naas are the two obvious ones).
Lot's of already vulnerable patients got infected by these.

People who went into hospital with other conditions and then tested positive are treated as covid admissions, so almost 50% of the covid patients in Hospital actually contracted it in there.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1320700796498042880

I don't think taking the admissions, subtracting the discharges and then comparing it to the number in hospitals gives the true story.

Last HSPC update giving details on Hospital acquired covid was dated 21/10:
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20201021_Website.pdf

So based on 07/10 - 20/10 (13858 cases) 94 where contracted in a healthcare setting (I'm not sure if that's strictly limited to hospitals, or the hospitals listed on the HSE reports, mental hospitals may not appear in admissions etc...)
During the same time period, there was 302 hospital admissions, of which 94 should be classed as acquired in hospital (31%)
So not quite 50% as posted on twitter.

polesheep · 27-10-2020 02:20PM

Strumms wrote: »

No, I was fully conscious and together my friend . . No delirium. But it was in the main carers.

I can hear the "beep beep" as you back up.

polesheep · 27-10-2020 02:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've seen nurses doing many of these things (maybe not doing a crossword with them) but certainly engaging in conversations with patients, allowing patients to vent/ answer queries patients may have about their medical care. It's part of a holistic approach and to help patients make appropriate decisions about their own health care.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1046/j.1466-769X.2002.00107.x

That is standard practice and has nothing to do with what the poster said. Read their post again.

normanoffside · 27-10-2020 02:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Have family members working in hospitals, if someone tests positive when in hospital its a new case and they're counted as a covid admission as they're now being treated for it, regardless of whatever they were in for initially.

If its deemed to be picked up in hospital it'll be notified in HPSC data as acquired in hospital.

Cavan and Naas for example will have been notified as hospital outbreaks and anyone who picked it up in there is now counted in the hospitals covid numbers for the duration of their covid treatment until discharged

Hi, yeah I get all that.
That Guy Conor on Twitter tracks all the covid admissions and discharges and by his figures 45% acquired it in hospital as the admissions minus the discharges in total only add up to 55% of the total in hospital.

He has pointed out on many days for example that there have been say 16 admissions and 15 discharges but the number of patients with Covid in hospital have gone up by 10 or 20.

As previously said, someone needs to be asking these questions at the press conferences to get some clarity.

Strumms · 27-10-2020 02:29PM

polesheep wrote: »

I can hear the "beep beep" as you back up.

Well, you want to get your ears tested so, or the beeping noises you are hearing might be symptomatic of some other problems of yours that need addressing :eek:

Either way, carers or nurses taking 3 minutes out of a xx hour shift to have a bit of craic with patients and each other is not prohibited ...I had doctors supporting the same football team spend a few mins yapping about the world of football, etc... find something else to get uptight about. It’s a fûckin pandemic !

stephenjmcd · 27-10-2020 02:31PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Hi, yeah I get all that.
That Guy Conor on Twitter tracks all the covid admissions and discharges and by his figures 45% acquired it in hospital as the admissions minus the discharges in total only add up to 55% of the total in hospital.

He has pointed out on many days for example that there have been say 16 admissions and 15 discharges but the number of patients with Covid in hospital have gone up but 10 or 20.

As previously said, someone needs to be asking these questions at the press conferences to get some clarity.

Yeah someone needs to ask alright to get it clarified.

I'm not sure its quite that high, as another poster pointed out there HPSC data is around 30% in the last report which given outbreaks would sound about right to me, could well have increased though due to Naas

eigrod · 27-10-2020 02:32PM

https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1321082060300296194?s=21

polesheep · 27-10-2020 02:35PM

Strumms wrote: »

Well, you want to get your ears tested so, or the beeping noises you are hearing might be symptomatic of some other problems of yours that need addressing :eek:

Either way, carers or nurses taking 3 minutes out of a xx hour shift to have a bit of craic with patients and each other... find something else to get uptight about. It’s a fûckin pandemic !

Nice reversal. Well done. Nurses often have a bit of banter with patients as they carry out their duties. It's good for morale. BTW I'm not uptight at all.

caveat emptor · 27-10-2020 02:47PM

Regards the hospital admission thing. It would be interesting to know how many people in hospital contracted while in hospital (nosocomial) vs those admitted directly with Covid. Infection control isn't working if have of current cases acquired it while there for something unrelated.

I think though we are assuming that everyone who presents at hospital is definitely known to be covid positive or not.

Say for instance somebody goes to A&E with a bad gastro infection, arrhythmia of the heart or chest tightness or a severe fever and is in real difficulty.
Will they not admit them until they know for certain it is covid? No, they'll admit them run tests and then designate covid if positive and the number will increase yet admittance figure doesn't match. I've been admitted to hospital for flu in the past. I had fever the day before, presented with very elevated heart rate, dehydration and general malaise. I was admitted even though they didn't have a clue what it was. I eventually got to see a doctor who said influenza most probably. Got a given a drip etc and started to come back next day.

In that instance I wasn't admitted for influenza yet the following day I'd be in the count for people in hospital with influenza. I was pretty run down at the time and I hadn't a clue why I couldn't retain liquids. Fever was the only flu like symptom.

I'm not sure if this is the case but either way one of two things is true but not both.

A sizeable number of people in hospital acquired the infection in hospital and infection control is a serious issue.
The admittance for covid vs those admitted with symptoms to hospital later get diagnosed causing the figures to not match.

I know we've dismissed the "suspected" covid numbers on here but that could explain it. I know people who have remained at home to weather the storm and couldn't get tested even if they wanted to (in march) I agree the question needs answering. Just hope we ask the right question.

US2 · 27-10-2020 02:49PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Have family members working in hospitals, if someone tests positive when in hospital its a new case and they're counted as a covid admission as they're now being treated for it, regardless of whatever they were in for initially.

If its deemed to be picked up in hospital it'll be notified in HPSC data as acquired in hospital.

Cavan and Naas for example will have been notified as hospital outbreaks and anyone who picked it up in there is now counted in the hospitals covid numbers for the duration of their covid treatment until discharged

What if they're asymptomatic which they probably are if they're attending hospital appointments.

Funsterdelux · 27-10-2020 02:52PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

Manly illusions shattered

I never specified the type!;)

WoollyRedHat · 27-10-2020 02:53PM

khalessi wrote: »

So the Department received a letter in August about the hand sanitiser

https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/2020/10/23/school-hand-sanitiser-concerns-raised-in-local-mans-letter-to-minister-in-august/

I've heard they're going to wash their hands of it.

wirelessdude01 · 27-10-2020 02:58PM

eigrod wrote: »

https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1321082060300296194?s=21

Looks like Ronan Glynn has been sidelined even since some form of focus has gone onto schools.

stephenjmcd · 27-10-2020 03:00PM

US2 wrote: »

What if they're asymptomatic which they probably are if they're attending hospital appointments.

Well if your being admitted your tested, anyone that's going in for a procedure is tested in advance.

stephenjmcd · 27-10-2020 03:02PM

With regards to the discussion on hospitals and outbreaks.

There should be a new HPSC report today for last week, but for week 42 which was up to 17th October in that week there were 7 notified outbreaks in hospital settings with 27 outbreaks still classified as open. They close after 28 days of no linked cases.

GT89 · 27-10-2020 03:02PM

Strumms wrote: »

Not in terms of them doing their job there isn’t. 5 minutes out of an 8 hour shift to do something fun, with and for patients. Take it from somebody who knows, there is enough to be pissed off about in our hospitals and health services but that ain’t one.

So if it's to boost patient morale why are they posting it publically for the whole internet to see?

ACitizenErased · 27-10-2020 03:03PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Looks like Ronan Glynn has been sidelined even since some form of focus has gone onto schools.

Or he's taking a well-deserved break?

road_high · 27-10-2020 03:05PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Or he's taking a well-deserved break?

Well deserved break from achieving precisely the sum total of nothing- Nphet are amazing ...clap clap

caveat emptor · 27-10-2020 03:10PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Looks like Ronan Glynn has been sidelined even since some form of focus has gone onto schools.

Yeah the new school's doctor is a very safe pair of hands. Never strays off message.

gw80 · 27-10-2020 03:10PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Have family members working in hospitals, if someone tests positive when in hospital its a new case and they're counted as a covid admission as they're now being treated for it, regardless of whatever they were in for initially.

If its deemed to be picked up in hospital it'll be notified in HPSC data as acquired in hospital.

Cavan and Naas for example will have been notified as hospital outbreaks and anyone who picked it up in there is now counted in the hospitals covid numbers for the duration of their covid treatment until discharged

So if someone tests positive for covid in hospital but are asymptomatic,are the kept in and treated for it anyway?

TonyMaloney · 27-10-2020 03:12PM

gw80 wrote: »

So if someone tests positive for covid in hospital but are asymptomatic,are the kept in and treated for it anyway?

They'd need to be isolated anyway.

We have a capacity crisis. It's not due to hospitals being full of asymptomatic people.

stephenjmcd · 27-10-2020 03:13PM

gw80 wrote: »

So if someone tests positive for covid in hospital but are asymptomatic,are the kept in and treated for it anyway?

Thats up to the doctors to decide.

In general if your asymptomatic you'd be discharged home to isolate for the 10 days but if they feel it best your kept in then your kept in, there's a few factors at play such as did the person come from a nursing home for example, but you'd still be classed as a covid admission while your there, so if your still there when the data is collected for the HSE report then you'll show in the report as an admission.

Could be gone out of the report by 8am the next morning if you've been discharged in the meantime.

stephenjmcd · 27-10-2020 03:19PM

NI reporting 722 cases and 13 deaths

polesheep · 27-10-2020 03:19PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Looks like Ronan Glynn has been sidelined even since some form of focus has gone onto schools.

I wonder if it has to do with the Greens demanding that more women be involved.

Strumms · 27-10-2020 03:20PM

GT89 wrote: »

So if it's to boost patient morale why are they posting it publically for the whole internet to see?

Don’t know, you’d need to ask em. Perhaps it’s to give people outside of hospitals an insight into the work they do, to share some more fun aspects of the job ? I’m not of the mind to care. Good luck to em. Must be extremely difficult and stressful working in and being in hospital during covid times... if they want to do something fun, record it, publish it.... fine by me, it’s not North Korea.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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