Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Kermit.de.frog · 26-10-2020 09:07AM

vickers209 wrote: »

Wife was saying that she heard of someone had a 21st party in a dublin house saturday night,

Guards arrived at i they told owner of the house they be getting a fine in the post and left
Party continued on for rest of the night no attempt to shut it down

They'll reconsider their moral compass when they see the bill.

Gruffalux · 26-10-2020 09:15AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They'll reconsider their moral compass when they see the bill.

Don't know about that. 50 people say at a party. Everyone throws 20 quid in the kitty on the way in to offset potential fines. Etcetera.

Gael23 · 26-10-2020 09:18AM

Tribunal into the Cervical Check scandal to start shortly, should be interesting

Hector Savage · 26-10-2020 09:37AM

What the hell is going on in Melbourne ? no new cases, no new deaths yet restrictions still in place ?

Hector Savage · 26-10-2020 09:38AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

France enters a nightmare, Italy not far behind.

In Ireland, we need to keep on our current course which is the correct one. Countries in Europe now have serious decisions to make that we too would have to make but for the actions taken here proactively.

The price is not paid today across the continent - it's paid in two weeks time in overwhelmed hospitals and increased deaths and also severe restrictions on people's lives.

We are in a far better place thankfully even though we should have taken action earlier. But that's spilt milk...

Let's see in 2 weeks so ....

Quit your scaremongering, these are case numbers, the vast majority of these people will barely feel it.

PowerToWait · 26-10-2020 09:41AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Tribunal into the Cervical Check scandal to start shortly, should be interesting

Interesting to see the mob who couldn’t tell you the first thing about that scandal, and cared not a whit, use it as a stick with which to beat Tony Holohan.

pjohnson · 26-10-2020 09:44AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Let's see in 2 weeks so ....

Quit your "scaremongering", these are case numbers, the vast majority of these people will barely feel it.

Do some genuinely think 'scaremongering' is a new word for facts?

iamwhoiam · 26-10-2020 09:44AM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

In particular children’s shoes should be deemed as essential. I feel they are essential particularly for children at the stage where they are growing at a fast rate eg age 1-5 years. They can go up a size in the space of a few weeks. It’s one thing them wearing clothes too small but wearing shoes too small can be harmful to feet .

I’m surprised that certain clothing eg coats and shoes haven’t been deemed as essential this time around. It can be argued they can be bought on line but it’s important shoes are tried on to check size fits. It really is bizarre. It seems some retail shops have had enough and are offering click and collect as opposed to closing down completely. The shops that are on street entrances as opposed to shopping centres can hopefully do this.

I thought the reason we opened up so slow was to determine the “safe services” that didn’t cause increase in cases. I don’t understand why retail has been closed this time around. Perhaps they are trying to keep people from leaving their areas? It doesn’t make sense as to why we opened up so slow and not use the experience and data. Retailers overall did a fantastic job from what I saw. Same as barbers etc.

I absolutely think shoe shops should be open . My grandchild is just about starting to walk . She will need to be measured and fitted for shoes very soon . That cannot be done online

leanin2019 · 26-10-2020 09:45AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

What the hell is going on in Melbourne ? no new cases, no new deaths yet restrictions still in place ?

And we thought Australia was the go to place with a much better health system than Ireland

screamer · 26-10-2020 09:46AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Interesting to see the mob who couldn’t tell you the first thing about that scandal, and cared not a whit, use it as a stick with which to beat Tony Holohan.

Regardless of your feelings towards “the mob” heads needs to roll over that disgraceful situation. Time will tell whose heads roll, but those women and indeed the women of Ireland deserve better.

Ficheall · 26-10-2020 09:48AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Let's see in 2 weeks so ....

Quit your scaremongering, these are case numbers, the vast majority of these people will barely feel it.

What is the threshold for deaths that you would feel warrants concern? Ballpark figure.

leanin2019 · 26-10-2020 09:49AM

"Silent majority" backs lockdown - Business Post

A "silent majority" of the population backs strict level 5 restrictions and the use of fines to stop the spread of the COVID-19 virus, the latest Business Post/Red C poll shows.

Some 66 percent of people support the move to lock down the country, with just 18 percent opposed. An equal number backs the use of fines...

pjohnson · 26-10-2020 09:50AM

screamer wrote: »

Regardless of your feelings towards “the mob” heads needs to roll over that disgraceful situation. Time will tell whose heads roll, but those women and indeed the women of Ireland deserve better.

They possible deserve their own thread on the matter.

Beanybabog · 26-10-2020 09:51AM

Graces7 wrote: »

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Logical; if the shops are all open then many more people will be out and mingling, which is dangerous for infection< If eg clothes shops etc are closed then people will stay home. Any environment where people are in confined spaces together carries a high infection risk

My OH has it and he works from home, and doesn’t appear to be a contact of a case (he passed it on but we assume he had it first). We assume it’s a case of community transmission and the only places he’s gone are the gym and supermarket. Also the playground but I assume that’s more unlikely. I reckon when case numbers are so high no indoor spaces are low risk

PowerToWait · 26-10-2020 09:54AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Let's see in 2 weeks so ....

Quit your scaremongering, these are case numbers, the vast majority of these people will barely feel it.

I think it’s about time more people got a dose of reality. This is a scary time. Adults need to face up to it and stop whinging about ‘scare mongering’ like a petulant toddler.

A small percentage will become gravely ill. This small percentage is nonetheless a large number of people. They will require hospitalisation, for weeks and months. This then has serious implications for the non-COVID diagnoses, treatments and care.

So, thousands will die of covid and thousands more will die because of covid.

These are the facts of the situation, and will not change because some people don’t like it.

niallo27 · 26-10-2020 09:55AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Let's see in 2 weeks so ....

Quit your scaremongering, these are case numbers, the vast majority of these people will barely feel it.

pjohnson wrote: »

Do some genuinely think 'scaremongering' is a new word for facts?

Facts, what facts point out that in 2 weeks hospitals would be overwhelmed. We were told 2 weeks ago Belgium would be overwhelmed, we were told we were on the verge here but Leo said yesterday hospital's have never been quiter. Every 2 weeks we are told some country is 2 weeks from being overwhelmed. Nobody belives it anymore.

manniot2 · 26-10-2020 10:00AM

pjohnson wrote: »

They possible deserve their own thread on the matter.

More sidelining and silencing proposed here. Sorry to break it to the Tony lovers but he was front and centre of that scandal and will be in any tribunal that is allowed the appropriate remit

Hector Savage · 26-10-2020 10:00AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Do some genuinely think 'scaremongering' is a new word for facts?

The facts here are cases, which vast majority are mild or asymptomatic.
So yes, the conclusions he is trying to draw are scare mongering, let's see the facts in 2 weeks so if he says hospitals will be completely overwhelmed and deaths through the roof.

Bookmark it

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 10:00AM

screamer wrote: »

Regardless of your feelings towards “the mob” heads needs to roll over that disgraceful situation. Time will tell whose heads roll, but those women and indeed the women of Ireland deserve better.

It needs to be discussed on its own if so.

We have a global pandemic and I'm tired at sniping at random medical experts.

Im not listening to that idiot because cervical check. It's kind of irrelevant to coronavirus.

OscarMIlde · 26-10-2020 10:01AM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

In particular children’s shoes should be deemed as essential. I feel they are essential particularly for children at the stage where they are growing at a fast rate eg age 1-5 years. They can go up a size in the space of a few weeks. It’s one thing them wearing clothes too small but wearing shoes too small can be harmful to feet .

I’m surprised that certain clothing eg coats and shoes haven’t been deemed as essential this time around. It can be argued they can be bought on line but it’s important shoes are tried on to check size fits. It really is bizarre. It seems some retail shops have had enough and are offering click and collect as opposed to closing down completely. The shops that are on street entrances as opposed to shopping centres can hopefully do this.

I thought the reason we opened up so slow was to determine the “safe services” that didn’t cause increase in cases. I don’t understand why retail has been closed this time around. Perhaps they are trying to keep people from leaving their areas? It doesn’t make sense as to why we opened up so slow and not use the experience and data. Retailers overall did a fantastic job from what I saw. Same as barbers etc.

I'm fairly certain in both Tesco and Dunnes where I live the children's clothes section and underwear/socks/pyjamas were not cordoned off, as they were deemed essential items.

Sweet.Science · 26-10-2020 10:01AM

manniot2 wrote: »

More sidelining and silencing proposed here. Sorry to break it to the Tony lovers but he was front and centre of that scandal and will be in any tribunal that is allowed the appropriate remit

I really hope it all comes out in the wash

Some neck being in front of our screens all year.

circadian · 26-10-2020 10:03AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Facts, what facts point out that in 2 weeks hospitals would be overwhelmed. We were told 2 weeks ago Belgium would be overwhelmed, we were told we were on the verge here but Leo said yesterday hospital's have never been quiter. Every 2 weeks we are told some country is 2 weeks from being overwhelmed. Nobody belives it anymore.

Belgium is experiencing a shortage of key workers including medical staff as a result.

pjohnson · 26-10-2020 10:05AM

manniot2 wrote: »

More sidelining and silencing proposed here. Sorry to break it to the Tony lovers but he was front and centre of that scandal and will be in any tribunal that is allowed the appropriate remit

Ehhh more to do with how forums/threads work re. topic/content. But trying to use the cervical scandal solely as a stick to beat Tony with, burying the convo deep in covid threads without actually giving a shîte about the scandal.

Not suprising given the true agenda some posters have. Its of no relevance to anything virus related which is "supposedly" what this thread is.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 10:06AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Facts, what facts point out that in 2 weeks hospitals would be overwhelmed. We were told 2 weeks ago Belgium would be overwhelmed, we were told we were on the verge here but Leo said yesterday hospital's have never been quiter. Every 2 weeks we are told some country is 2 weeks from being overwhelmed. Nobody belives it anymore.

Belgium have essentially cancelled non covid care (with chemo dialysis and emergency treatment continuing).

No knee replacements, no hip replacements, no stents, no routine pacemakers, no mastectomy etc.

I think that's a pretty fair description of overwhelmed.

Hector Savage · 26-10-2020 10:06AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54687096

"Not going to control pandemic" ... exactly, impossible in a country like the USA with few safety nets.

Imagine an American worker, option A : you chance getting a disease that you will 99.9% recover from, but you can feed your family and pay the mortgage and other bills ...

Option B: you are restricted, you lose your job and you have a 100% chance of losing your home, not being able to feed your kids etc ...
Lots of Americans are one paycheque away from being on the street.

And then people sneer at these people and call them irresponsible, what would they do in their shoes ?

niallo27 · 26-10-2020 10:08AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Belgium have essentially cancelled non covid care (with chemo dialysis and emergency treatment continuing).

No knee replacements, no hip replacements, no stents, no routine pacemakers, no mastectomy etc.

I think that's a pretty fair description of overwhelmed.

I think people have different thoughts on overwhelmed, most compare it to what happened in Italy and not to a normal winter in Irish hospitals.

pjohnson · 26-10-2020 10:09AM

niallo27 wrote: »

I think people have different thoughts on overwhelmed, most compare it to what happened in Italy and not to a normal winter in Irish hospitals.

And what would you call Belgium?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 10:09AM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

I'm fairly certain in both Tesco and Dunnes where I live the children's clothes section and underwear/socks/pyjamas were not cordoned off, as they were deemed essential items.

A lot of Dunnes have closed elements of their shop over the weekend. In a shopping centre I visited on Saturday and Sunday stuff closed between my visits.

AlphaDelta1 · 26-10-2020 10:12AM

Europe is becoming overwhelmed and its not even November yet. This virus is absolutely relentless

yosser hughes · 26-10-2020 10:12AM

The HSE paid over €9 million to the company that supplied the hand sanitizers. No formal tender process took place.
More ineptitude and waste.
This is Paul Reid's patch.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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