Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Happydays2020 · 25-10-2020 12:26PM

Boggles wrote: »

And they since revised it down based on restrictions the government brought in, specifically in the 3 counties where the virus was out of control.

The target is moving as will the predictions be variable.

But we have seen this movie plenty times.

Sure hospitalizations and ICU numbers are fine, then boom, they aren't.

Most recent case is Belgium, we are just going focus our intention more on hospitalizations, easy to do that when things look good.

‘Worse than in March’: Belgian hospital figures double every week

So personally I would be quite careful about writing off predictions or creating my own considering things behind the scenes are at best starting to creek.

That is all fine and I take your point about how precarious this is. And reiterate my personal view that a preemptive level 5 circuit breaker is warranted. I may have different views if they decide to extend this.

But the reality is that is the letter that was sent to government recommending level 5 and instantly putting 100k plus people on welfare and many many businesses at risk of permanent failure.

The Government, based on this letter, and indeed after a series of meetings with Prof Nolan followed the advice. ICU capacity has been a key metric.

stephenjmcd · 25-10-2020 12:29PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

That is all fine and I take your point about how precarious this is. And reiterate my personal view that a preemptive level 5 circuit breaker is warranted. I may have different views if they decide to extend this.

But the reality is that is the letter that was sent to government recommending level 5 and instantly putting 100k plus people on welfare and many many businesses at risk of permanent failure.

The Government, based on this letter, and indeed after a series of meetings with Prof Nolan followed the advice. ICU capacity has been a key metric.

It was the state of play a week ago and was part of the reasons why level 5 was brought in. That much can't be disputed you are correct.

It doesn't look like materialising at the moment thankfully.

speckle · 25-10-2020 12:29PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

The whole thing has been a bit much for me and I cannot understand these rules.

If 25 people can gather for wedding, why not 40? Or 50?

And why is there restrictions on home visits?

I’m not a “denier” or anything like that I just cannot understand the logic of it.

Six family members (from two households) are going to my parents house today. One works in a hospital and they are travelling more than 5km.

Is that violating the restrictions?

What I find intetesting in your delimma , is yet again another post here, referring to a hospital worker not taking more care.

Thierry12 · 25-10-2020 12:30PM

eigrod wrote: »

Hospitalisations down to 295

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

Level 3 showing who's boss

Good stuff

Psychiatric Patrick · 25-10-2020 12:31PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Or call the Guards on them. At least that would sort out the full family having to spend Christmas together.

So I can call the Guards?

So should I send the Guards to the house? Can I say I am neighbour and there are two cars and a lot of people?

Be a bit late as they’d be in the house.

I don’t know the licence plates of the car of the sibling coming in vein the country. Can I give the names with a call to a station and they pass it on to the checkpoint?

The only person I care about is my mother and with her condition that many people in the house is a terrible idea regardless of the virus. My relationship with my father is in a bad way though and he cannot know it was me.

dublin99 · 25-10-2020 12:33PM

Just saw on the Hong Kong Covid news that of the 6 cases confirmed today (25 October), case number 5296 is an eight year girl who has arrived from Ireland. She was tested on arrival at Hong Kong Airport. She would have taken at least 2 flights to get to Hong Kong.

"The patient arrived in Hong Kong from Ireland, having exhibited no symptoms." (Source: https://wars.vote4.hk/en)

This is of particular concern as she has no symptoms and it is quite possible that there are more school age children who are asymtomatic but spreaders.

I have no idea how to report this case but assuming she attended school in Ireland till she left for Hong Kong, the contact tracing people in Ireland should be alerted and get her details (especially information of her school/class etc) in order to establish any close contacts in her pod.

Please do alert the right people if anyone reads this post knows how to report this case!

speckle · 25-10-2020 12:33PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Nope. Methanol is not effective in breaking down the covid virus.

Just like from the early days when we discussed why some bleach/cleaners worked and others did not depending on the active ingredient.

Psychiatric Patrick · 25-10-2020 12:35PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Don't you live with your parents... As your mother's carer... Or is that another one of your personalities?

Yes I do live there and I am the carpet but today my niece was supposed to come (on her own) and I was supposed to be going out for the afternoon - friends house is empty (works aboard) and I was going to watch a movie.

BobbyMalone · 25-10-2020 12:35PM

mloc123 wrote: »

You didn't lose track of anything... You are just intentionally trying to muddy the situation. The guidelines for weeks now have been very clear, nobody is to visit another person's house.

If you cannot understand such a simple guideline, you must be very slow.

Important to note that there are exceptions to these rules. I think these were introduced along with (or after?) we went to level 5, but were not part of the level 3+ advice issued just before level 5.

Thierry12 · 25-10-2020 12:36PM

dublin99 wrote: »

Just saw on the Hong Kong Covid news that of the 6 cases confirmed today (25 October), case number 5296 is an eight year girl who has arrived from Ireland. She was tested on arrival at Hong Kong Airport. She would have taken at least 2 flights to get to Hong Kong.

"The patient arrived in Hong Kong from Ireland, having exhibited no symptoms." (Source: https://wars.vote4.hk/en)

This is of particular concern as she has no symptoms and it is quite possible that there are more school age children who are asymtomatic but spreaders.

I have no idea how to report this case but assuming she attended school in Ireland till she left for Hong Kong, the contact tracing people in Ireland should be alerted and get her details (especially information of her school/class etc) in order to establish any close contacts in her pod.

Please do alert the right people if anyone reads this post knows how to report this case!

Interesting

I'd love to see Dr Tony prove to us how young kids are immune

They have a nose, mouth, eyes like the rest of us

How can they not get infected?

Do NPHET and Government need schools open cause they need babysitters and don't want look after them or something?

Risteard81 · 25-10-2020 12:36PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I read of the UK are bringing in AI cameras in their shops. It will recognise if you have a mask and won't let you in if you don't. Some Asian countries has them as well. We should as well, it avoids confronting these aggressive arseholes in shops.

What about people who are exempt?

speckle · 25-10-2020 12:36PM

dublin99 wrote: »

Just saw on the Hong Kong Covid news that of the 6 cases confirmed today (25 October), case number 5296 is an eight year girl who has arrived from Ireland. She was tested on arrival at Hong Kong Airport. She would have taken at least 2 flights to get to Hong Kong.

"The patient arrived in Hong Kong from Ireland, having exhibited no symptoms." (Source: https://wars.vote4.hk/en)

This is of particular concern as she has no symptoms and it is quite possible that there are more school age children who are asymtomatic but spreaders.

I have no idea how to report this case but assuming she attended school in Ireland till she left for Hong Kong, the contact tracing people in Ireland should be alerted and get her details (especially information of her school/class etc) in order to establish any close contacts in her pod.

Please do alert the right people if anyone reads this post knows how to report this case!

Cases are reported internationaly. Hong Kong would get on to their equivalent public health contact tracing team here.
And one would hope the family would ring back/email the school.

How long does it take to get to hong kong could the child have picked it up on route?

The HorsesMouth · 25-10-2020 12:37PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

RedC poll shows 66% in favour of level 5. Higher than i thought it would be.

That poll says more about the fear mongering that our media have instilled in the population than anything else.

owlbethere · 25-10-2020 12:37PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

The whole thing has been a bit much for me and I cannot understand these rules.

If 25 people can gather for wedding, why not 40? Or 50?

And why is there restrictions on home visits?

I’m not a “denier” or anything like that I just cannot understand the logic of it.

Six family members (from two households) are going to my parents house today. One works in a hospital and they are travelling more than 5km.

Is that violating the restrictions?

The restrictions on the weddings capped at 25, is to ensure there isn't a large outbreak of the virus. The less that attends the better because there is less chance of someone attending who might have the virus. Also in case a member of the party shows up with the virus and the whole group becomes infected.

As for the restrictions on home visits - it's not great or ideal but it is what it is. There's an incubation period of up to 14 days with the virus. It's in case there's a member of a household who has the virus or the visitors have picked up the virus and are infectious and the virus spreads.
I remember going babysitting for a family about 15 or 16 years ago and a member of the family was sick with the flu and in bed. I wasn't in his room but within a few days I came down with the same dose. It is easy for illness to spread within families and households and between households by visiting. The public health authorities are trying to get the virus cases down low.

Happydays2020 · 25-10-2020 12:38PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

So I can call the Guards?

So should I send the Guards to the house? Can I say I am neighbour and there are two cars and a lot of people?

Be a bit late as they’d be in the house.

I don’t know the licence plates of the car of the sibling coming in vein the country. Can I give the names with a call to a station and they pass it on to the checkpoint?

The only person I care about is my mother and with her condition that many people in the house is a terrible idea regardless of the virus. My relationship with my father is in a bad way though and he cannot know it was me.

Prob not a good idea to get the Guards involved.

If you have any relationship with your siblings ask them to socially distance if your mother is vulnerable and to keep the house ventilated when there.

The isolation involved in lock downs is really difficult for people. And the best thing they can do is to follow the safest practices while there (short of not going at all).

Boggles · 25-10-2020 12:39PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

That is all fine and I take your point about how precarious this is. And reiterate my personal view that a preemptive level 5 circuit breaker is warranted. I may have different views if they decide to extend this.

But the reality is that is the letter that was sent to government recommending level 5 and instantly putting 100k plus people on welfare and many many businesses at risk of permanent failure.

The Government, based on this letter, and indeed after a series of meetings with Prof Nolan followed the advice. ICU capacity has been a key metric.

So you agree with NPHET and the government?

Personally I can't agree with any of the levels because it is complete nonsense.

But I think we are there or there abouts in our collective views.

Psychiatric Patrick · 25-10-2020 12:46PM

mloc123 wrote: »

You didn't lose track of anything... You are just intentionally trying to muddy the situation. The guidelines for weeks now have been very clear, nobody is to visit another person's house.

If you cannot understand such a simple guideline, you must be very slow.

Are you sniffing something?

What are you talking about ? “muddy the waters”

I said I didn’t understand the new restrictions and I asked if this gathering at my parents house was against the rules.

You acting as though I’m trying to make “excuses” because we “got caught having a party” - that makes zero sense. Why would I mention the gathering here in be first place?

The only slow mind here is yourself.

Happydays2020 · 25-10-2020 12:46PM

Boggles wrote: »

So you agree with NPHET and the government?

Personally I can't agree with any of the levels because it is complete nonsense.

But I think we are there or there abouts in our collective views.

I think the NPHET model is not fit for purpose at this point in time. I also think that they should not over blow things in their letters but use scenarios m at least so they can retain credibility and not make themselves vulnerable in terms of public trust.

And I think (despite the accuracy of modelling not fully supporting the level 5 recommendation at this point in time) that a circuit breaker may well be a good policy. Intuitively it makes sense and we may well benefit from this in slowing the virus over winter.

mloc123 · 25-10-2020 12:47PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Interesting

I'd love to see Dr Tony prove to us how young kids are immune

They have a nose, mouth, eyes like the rest of us

How can they not get infected?

Do NPHET and Government need schools open cause they need babysitters and don't want look after them or something?

Who said they are immune?

Boggles · 25-10-2020 12:49PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I think the NPHET model is not fit for purpose at this point in time. I also think that they should not over blow things in their letters but use scenarios m at least so they can retain credibility and not make themselves vulnerable in terms of public trust.

And I think (despite the accuracy of modelling not fully supporting the level 5 recommendation at this point in time) that a circuit breaker may well be a good policy. Intuitively it makes sense and we may well benefit from this in slowing the virus over winter.

Maybe we should let the time frame of the prediction run it's course.

Maybe they are spot on but out 7-10 days.

There is green shoots of stabilization, but I wouldn't be calling it mission accomplished. We saw something similar in Dublin.

You can have all the models in the world, but cannot predict peoples behavior which is the main driver of this virus.

Also we are not at Level 5, we are pretending we are.

Psychiatric Patrick · 25-10-2020 12:51PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The restrictions on the weddings capped at 25, is to ensure there isn't a large outbreak of the virus. The less that attends the better because there is less chance of someone attending who might have the virus. Also in case a member of the party shows up with the virus and the whole group becomes infected.

As for the restrictions on home visits - it's not great or ideal but it is what it is. There's an incubation period of up to 14 days with the virus. It's in case there's a member of a household who has the virus or the visitors have picked up the virus and are infectious and the virus spreads.
I remember going babysitting for a family about 15 or 16 years ago and a member of the family was sick with the flu and in bed. I wasn't in his room but within a few days I came down with the same dose. It is easy for illness to spread within families and households and between households by visiting. The public health authorities are trying to get the virus cases down low.

Shouldn’t weddings be capped at bride and groom?

25 is a risk and how far will those infected at the wedding spread it before it is discovered.

I’m not saying if there can be weddings that people should be allowed run in and out of houses but hat here should be no weddings. It is nonsense that they are allowed.

growleaves · 25-10-2020 12:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

Also we are not at Level 5, we are pretending we are.

What level are we at, out of interest?

amadangomor · 25-10-2020 12:51PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

What about people who are exempt?

They should have the cop on to stay away from indoor public places and online shop.

mloc123 · 25-10-2020 12:52PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Are you sniffing something?

What are you talking about ? “muddy the waters”

I said I didn’t understand the new restrictions and I asked if this gathering at my parents house was against the rules.

You acting as though I’m trying to make “excuses” because we “got caught having a party” - that makes zero sense. Why would I mention the gathering here in be first place?

The only slow mind here is yourself.

Sorry. I thought you were acting dumb on here for a wind up.

dublin99 · 25-10-2020 12:52PM

speckle wrote: »

Cases are reported internationaly. Hong Kong would get on to their equivalent public health contact tracing team here.
And one would hope the family would ring back/email the school.

How long does it take to get to hong kong could the child have picked it up on route?

The way the official channels work can be cumbersome and subject to delays. It is a bank holiday in Hong Kong (as well as here) on Monday so probably nothing happens till Tuesday.

Flying from Dublin to Hong Kong takes 15 -20 hours depending on connecting airport and layover time. I would say it is unlikely she caught it en route as the viral load would have been too low to be picked up less than 24 hours after being infected. It would be interesting to see if her family members travelling with her (and probably sitting together on the flights) will test positive in a few days. I believe they are in quarantine and are being monitered.

ACitizenErased · 25-10-2020 12:53PM

“We’re pretending we’re at level 5”

What??? Tell that to all the closed retail stores, restaurants and pubs.

Boggles · 25-10-2020 12:54PM

growleaves wrote: »

What level are we at, out of interest?

No idea, they keep changing the document to suit their scattered approach.

Considering the plan fell apart 2 minutes after it was launched, I don't think we are actually following it anymore to be fair.

Make it up as we go along is more apt than "Living with Covid".

eagle eye · 25-10-2020 12:56PM

manniot2 wrote:

In their head

Very stupid.

manniot2 wrote:

He actually said on the late late that icu capacity and tracing were not important. What was important was community spread. He knows he has the power to shut us down whenever he wants, deflect the blame from the farce of a health service we have

He doesn't have the power to shut us down. As part of NPHET he has the job of making recommendations.

They government decide what happens as they did when they ignored NPHET's advice a couple of weeks ago.

Boggles · 25-10-2020 12:56PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“We’re pretending we’re at level 5”

What??? Tell that to all the closed retail stores, restaurants and pubs.

Emotive nonsense aside, there was a lot more retail supposed to be closed under the original level 5.

It's a fluid document, handy really when it needs to be flushed.

Which is hopefully soon.

25-10-2020 12:58PM

zinfandel wrote: »

would it not be better having all the covid patients together and keeping the single rooms for non covid?

To be fair, there isn't that many covid patients in hospital as most cases are mild. It's more an issue with staff than issues of bed space at the moment.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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