Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

fullstop · 23-10-2020 11:56pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

But they simply aren't even doing that.

Yes - In absolute terms they might have the highest number of tests for a given period , but in terms of Tests per Million or any other per capita calculation they aren't even close to best in class.

In before stefanovic replies “per capita what, there are many per capitals”. Everything else seems to be a rehashed trump quote.

fullstop · 24-10-2020 12:01am

stefanovich wrote: »

Yes. You should blame the health expert giving the advice.

“Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.”

Donald trump, 08/11/13.

Cause I know you love a quote from Donnie

westdublin · 24-10-2020 12:03am

fullstop wrote: »

“Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.”

Donald trump, 08/11/13.

I take full responsibility but it wasn't my fault it was China's

Donald Trump 23/10/20

fullstop · 24-10-2020 12:10am

NaFirinne wrote: »

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/top-scientific-journals-reject-controversial-danish-study-on-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-coronavirus-report/ar-BB1aiLvF

So the study failed peer review?

Isn’t that the best thing about scientific papers and peer review...bull**** can get filtered out

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-10-2020 12:13am

westdublin wrote: »

I take full responsibility but it wasn't my fault it was China's

Donald Trump 23/10/20

"Yes people are dying, it is what it is"

Donald J Trump.

UrbanSprawl · 24-10-2020 12:15am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

"Yes people are dying, it is what it is"

Donald J Trump.

Not our problem ..the trump thing is a global sensation and they would fools not tp re elect him

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-10-2020 12:16am

westdublin wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1319744882806673408

I am hoping its someone takes the piss

Trump releases his plan for beating Covid-19

After eight months of this pandemic, we finally found President Trump's plan to beat COVID-19.

https://t.co/KO4g328Uvr

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1319723264927649792?s=19

Capt'n Midnight · 24-10-2020 12:17am

westdublin wrote: »

Build a Great Cybersecurity Defense System and Missile Defense System
Someone better check the passwords when they are done

https://guce.techcrunch.com/copyConsent?sessionId=3_cc-session_d6253eb7-acea-4cdb-a49b-03f0326515dd&lang=en-IE

Fun Fact : for 20 years the launch code for US Minuteman nuclear missiles was 00000000

And it's not the first time the claim has been made of hacking his twitter
https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/dutch-ethical-hacker-logs-into-trump-s-twitter-account~badaa815/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.techradar.com%2F

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-10-2020 12:19am

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

Not our problem ..the trump thing is a global sensation and they would fools not tp re elect him

This post makes no sense at all.

extra gravy · 24-10-2020 12:27am

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

Not our problem ..the trump thing is a global sensation and they would fools not tp re elect him

If by "global sensation", you mean a washed up celebrity who's an international laughing stock then you're spot on.

rossie1977 · 24-10-2020 1:22am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

you seriously think Hilary was fine ? Seriously ?

The americans got Trump ahead of her, what does that tell you.

Doesn't tell you anything. Clinton would have won easily had it not been for Comey reopening email investigation 10 days before election and then the media focusing on nothing but that in the run-in.

Clinton for her part was one of the most highly qualified candidates for president in decades.

AbusesToilets · 24-10-2020 2:53am

rossie1977 wrote: »

Doesn't tell you anything. Clinton would have won easily had it not been for Comey reopening email investigation 10 days before election and then the media focusing on nothing but that in the run-in.

Clinton for her part was one of the most highly qualified candidates for president in decades.

And also one of the worst

extra gravy · 24-10-2020 4:17am

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1319813826284486657?s=19

Not knowing the difference between a missile and a toothbrush, if Biden said this he'd be declared to be in mental decline. Poor dumb Donnie showing his ignorance again.

kowloon · 24-10-2020 1:45pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Trump releases his plan for beating Covid-19

After eight months of this pandemic, we finally found President Trump's plan to beat COVID-19.

https://t.co/KO4g328Uvr

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1319723264927649792?s=19

Well there is this: https://trumpcovidplan.com/

Kermit.de.frog · 24-10-2020 2:10pm

edit: moved to other thread..

PropJoe10 · 24-10-2020 3:38pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

Doesn't tell you anything. Clinton would have won easily had it not been for Comey reopening email investigation 10 days before election and then the media focusing on nothing but that in the run-in.

Clinton for her part was one of the most highly qualified candidates for president in decades.

Hillary Clinton and the Clinton family in general is unpopular and untrusted by a fair % of the US population, and certainly among independents. I don't believe that Biden, regardless of his many faults, is as inherently unpopular as Clinton was. Time will tell, but I think swing and undecided voters are more likely to go and vote for Biden rather than seeing Clinton on the ballot and deciding to stay at home.

Capt'n Midnight · 24-10-2020 6:10pm

The last few months of Trump's presidency will see more Covid deaths. How he handles it will affect a lot of people. And more importantly his legacy.

Current projections are over half a million deaths by the end of February. Even 85% public mask usage could reduce that by 95,000 or 95% usage by 129,000

European countries go in to full lockdown for far less, Asian countries have tiny death rates because they lockdown early and hard and contract tracing is done rigorously.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-masks-covid-deaths.html

Igotadose · 24-10-2020 6:53pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The last few months of Trump's presidency will see more Covid deaths. How he handles it will affect a lot of people. And more importantly his legacy.

Current projections are over half a million deaths by the end of February. Even 85% public mask usage could reduce that by 95,000 or 95% usage by 129,000

European countries go in to full lockdown for far less, Asian countries have tiny death rates because they lockdown early and hard and contract tracing is done rigorously.

Trump2020 *rallies* lead to uptick in Covid-19 cases. Where the #IMPOTUS goes, sickness and death (cf. Cain, Herman) are not far behind.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/10/22/trumps-campaign-made-stops-nationwide-then-coronavirus-cases-surged/3679534001/

briany · 24-10-2020 9:49pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

Doesn't tell you anything. Clinton would have won easily had it not been for Comey reopening email investigation 10 days before election and then the media focusing on nothing but that in the run-in.

Clinton for her part was one of the most highly qualified candidates for president in decades.

I just think that a lot of people fundamentally didn't like Hillary Clinton. I should rephrase that, actually, to say that although she won the popular vote, her appeal was not extensive enough to put her over the line within the system by which the USA picks its president.

Clinton represented the same-old, same-old and she came off as smug and condescending. As well as that, the Democratic base at the time was very divided between her and Bernie Sanders (remember Bernie or Bust?).

I doubt the email thing was truly pivotal for too many people, but it was a nice stick to beat her with. You had that one scandal, that one bit of dirt, vs. the other guy who was covered in dirt, and who had routinely done or said things which would torpedo a normal campaign before it even got going (on tape bragging about grabbing woman by the pu$$y, bragging about avoiding taxes, belittling a gold star family, and a former prisoner of war). Why didn't all that shag Trump like the emails shagged apparently shagged Hillary? Because Trump had a message such that people were willing to overlook almost everything about him. Hillary had no message, and I think that was decisive for her chances at winning.

Trump's presidency has handed the Democrats a message, even though the Dem platform hasn't shifted much. Stability and normality is what Biden can promise, and that looks much more attractive after 4 years of Trump craziness, much as the girl runs back to her 'boring' old flame once the bohemian lad she ran off with turned out to be an abusive alcoholic.

24-10-2020 11:06pm

briany wrote: »

I just think that a lot of people fundamentally didn't like Hillary Clinton. I should rephrase that, actually, to say that although she won the popular vote, her appeal was not extensive enough to put her over the line within the system by which the USA picks its president.

And as I've spent the last 4 years driving into the ground; she's a woman.

briany · 25-10-2020 3:20am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And as I've spent the last 4 years driving into the ground; she's a woman.

If America could handle a mixed race man as president, then it could handle a white woman. The key is having a message or platform that resonates with voters. Hillary went too hard on the whole being a woman thing and not hard enough on what good she'd actually do. Something that Trump outflanked her on, not that a lot of his promises even made sense.

listermint · 25-10-2020 7:35am

briany wrote: »

If America could handle a mixed race man as president, then it could handle a white woman. The key is having a message or platform that resonates with voters. Hillary went too hard on the whole being a woman thing and not hard enough on what good she'd actually do. Something that Trump outflanked her on, not that a lot of his promises even made sense.

1. America couldn't handle it case in point the tea party movement and it's take over of the Republican party.

2. Donald trump out flanked her by telling lies and playing on insecurities with promised which none of he has fulfilled in his 4 years. He lied people were duped. I suppose the lesson for Hilary is to lie tell every voter a different variant of what they want to hear do none of it rinse and repeat. Also have no morals, there's that.

Midlife · 25-10-2020 9:01am

briany wrote: »

If America could handle a mixed race man as president, then it could handle a white woman. The key is having a message or platform that resonates with voters. Hillary went too hard on the whole being a woman thing and not hard enough on what good she'd actually do. Something that Trump outflanked her on, not that a lot of his promises even made sense.

I think the country couldn't handle a woman as president.

Interesting that they could handle a black man but not a woman but that's the way it is.

RobAMerc · 25-10-2020 9:16am

Midlife wrote: »

I think the country couldn't handle a woman as president.

Interesting that they could handle a black man but not a woman but that's the way it is.

I think as many voted for her purely because she was a woman as voted against for the same reason. So thats not an argument unless you are trying to push an agenda.
People wanted change - Hilary was seen as establishment ( and rightly so )

I truely believe there will be a landslide against Trump now that people better understand there needs to be a certain amount of "sameness" about the people in charge - if for nothing more than they know how to get things done in that system.

Midlife · 25-10-2020 9:30am

RobAMerc wrote: »

I think as many voted for her purely because she was a woman as voted against for the same reason. So thats not an argument unless you are trying to push an agenda.
People wanted change - Hilary was seen as establishment ( and rightly so )

I truely believe there will be a landslide against Trump now that people better understand there needs to be a certain amount of "sameness" about the people in charge - if for nothing more than they know how to get things done in that system.

Not really an argument just an opinion. As is yours.

For example there was some commentary that Kamala couldn't be too aggressive in the VP debate because you can't be a pushy woman. Of course you can be a pushy man.

Hilary's husband's past transgressions held against her but 3rd marriage Don didn't really have these problems.

There are different standards for men and women in the US and its still a deeply mysognist country in many ways. I think this was part of the reason she was not elected.

I'm not saying that people voted for or against Hilary for just this reason but I believe if she were an old guy with the same policies, she would have won.

drunkmonkey · 25-10-2020 9:32am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Even 85% public mask usage could reduce that by 95,000 or 95% usage by 129,000

There's absolutely no evidence to say masks will have such an impact, infact the evidence points in the other direction. The Danish study is the gold standard and will soon be peer reviewed and a lot of people won't like what it says.

Fauci himself didn't agree with them at the start until it turned political, Luke O'Neill, Tony Houlihan, Killian De Gascun, Ciara Kelly all knew the dangers of them before the media decided to push lab based science over fact based scientific evidence.

https://twitter.com/henrik_ullum/status/1319157496720785410?s=20

Twitter removing Atlas's post was political, Atlas referenced the exact same person for his stance that spoke at the Special Committee on Covid-19 Response here, who also didn't think mandatory masks were a good idea as there was no fact based evidence to support their use for the general population and made observations that they could increase the transmission.

Masking lack of evidence with politics

Midlife · 25-10-2020 9:37am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There's absolutely no evidence to say masks will have such an impact, infact the evidence points in the other direction. The Danish study is the gold standard and will soon be peer reviewed and a lot of people won't like what it says.

Fauci himself didn't agree with them at the start until it turned political, Luke O'Neill, Tony Houlihan, Killian De Gascun, Ciara Kelly all knew the dangers of them before the media decided to push lab based science over fact based scientific evidence.

https://twitter.com/henrik_ullum/status/1319157496720785410?s=20

Twitter removing Atlas's post was political, Atlas referenced the exact same person for his stance that spoke at the Special Committee on Covid-19 Response here, who also didn't think mandatory masks were a good idea as there was no fact based evidence to support their use for the general population and made observations that they could increase the transmission.

Masking lack of evidence with politics

So to confirm. You googling stuff is better than the current peer review process?

That's essentially what you're saying.

I haven't read the article but there exists in science a rigorous peer review process and in this case we should ignore that and listen to the recommendations of a guy on boards instead. This is basically the point of your post.

Christy42 · 25-10-2020 9:39am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There's absolutely no evidence to say masks will have such an impact, infact the evidence points in the other direction. The Danish study is the gold standard and will soon be peer reviewed and a lot of people won't like what it says.

Fauci himself didn't agree with them at the start until it turned political, Luke O'Neill, Tony Houlihan, Killian De Gascun, Ciara Kelly all knew the dangers of them before the media decided to push lab based science over fact based scientific evidence.

https://twitter.com/henrik_ullum/status/1319157496720785410?s=20

Twitter removing Atlas's post was political, Atlas referenced the exact same person for his stance that spoke at the Special Committee on Covid-19 Response here, who also didn't think mandatory masks were a good idea as there was no fact based evidence to support their use for the general population and made observations that they could increase the transmission.

Masking lack of evidence with politics

Wait the gold standard is a piece that hasn't been peer reviewed yet? How do you work that one out?

Or do you just like it because that is what it has to say? That is the only way your post makes sense.

Why is wearing a mask political? It isn't even hard. Sure some restrictions are tough, I get it. Wearing a mask is so bloody easy. It doesn't benefit any rich people for you to wear a mask any more than my frequent trouser wearing helps them.

Fauci's point was that medical professionals need the masks more given the US was in a terrible state ppe wise to start the pandemic it made sense not to have ordinary people using masks needed by the medical profession.

Fiery mutant · 25-10-2020 9:43am

How can you claim that something that hasn’t been peer reviewed is the ‘gold standard’?

drunkmonkey · 25-10-2020 9:43am

Midlife wrote: »

So to confirm. You googling stuff is better than the current peer review process?

That's essentially what you're saying.

I haven't read the article but there exists in science a rigorous peer review process and in this case we should ignore that and listen to the recommendations of a guy on boards instead. This is basically the point of your post.

Ok maybe have a look at the evidence yourself before commenting.
You've done the exact same thing as twitter.

Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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