Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 9:36pm

Water John wrote: »

Not starting a war has been a matter of luck, for all of us. When you think one of his cabinet, was going to church regularly to pray as that was all he had to stop Trump starting a war, if he was in the humour.

I have to disagree with you. It's the industrial war complex who own the swamp and MSM. Trump is not as influenced by them as either party.

He has started peace talks in earnest with the Taliban. Got signed deals that are intended to normalize relations in the Middle East and in Serbia. Pulled out of the Iran deal. Only one reason they are trying to get the bomb.

The previous administration created ISIS and dropped more bombs than any in living memory. I once heard they actually ran out of bombs because they dropped so many, which is how Obama got the nickname of Oboma. So I don't think it was a matter of luck. Trump has made US energy independent by increasing fracking. Weather you agree with this or not, they are now not dependent on oil from the middle east. This could mean no more American led wars there.

Quin_Dub · 22-10-2020 9:37pm

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OS_Head · 22-10-2020 9:41pm

salmocab wrote: »

Did he ban all travel from China?

From what I remember, He did ban all travel from China in February. Though, many people traveled via to other countries like Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore to get to the States.

VinLieger · 22-10-2020 9:47pm

OS_Head wrote: »

From what I remember, He did ban all travel from China in February. Though, many people traveled via to other countries like Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore to get to the States.

He wasnt accused of racism for banning travel he was accised of racism for calling it the China Virus.

Also even though he did ban travel from China he then spent the next month minimising the virus and doing nothing while it spread quietly through the US completely negating any postives from the travel ban.

22-10-2020 9:47pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

Bush Derangement Syndrome was a real thing. TDS in comparison is a joke. Trump simply is that bad.

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 9:47pm

moon2 wrote: »

He has been impeached

The Senate acquitted Trump of these charges on February 5, 2020. Turns out MSM and the Democrats led by Clinton spent the previous 3 years trying to set him up. It was all false, made up and not true. If it were, he wouldn't be the president now.

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 9:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Bush Derangement Syndrome was a real thing. TDS in comparison is a joke. Trump simply is that bad.

Well you're simply attacking his perceived character (which I'm not a huge fan of either, but I'm coming round, I like the way he trolls the left) and what you've been told by MSM. If you really want to judge his time in office you should pay attention to his actions and achievements.

salmocab · 22-10-2020 9:51pm

OS_Head wrote: »

From what I remember, He did ban all travel from China in February. Though, many people traveled via to other countries like Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore to get to the States.

No I think he banned non Americans coming in from China but there were plenty of flights.

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 9:55pm

salmocab wrote: »

No I think he banned non Americans coming in from China but there were plenty of flights.

It's probably unconstitutional to ban you're own citizens from coming home. I know you think he's bad, though correct me if i'm wrong, but he wouldn't that. He says he's for the citizens of the US, first and foremost.

Igotadose · 22-10-2020 9:57pm

OS_Head wrote: »

The Senate acquitted Trump of these charges on February 5, 2020. Turns out MSM and the Democrats led by Clinton spent the previous 3 years trying to set him up. It was all false, made up and not true. If it were, he wouldn't be the president now.

Still impeached though. Acquitted of crimes. Led by Clinton? Srsly? Lol

John Divney · 22-10-2020 9:57pm

VinLieger wrote: »

He wasnt accused of racism for banning travel he was accised of racism for calling it the China Virus.

No he was literally accused of racism for the ban. Pelosi went to the Chinese NY to stick it to him ffs. The whole NY health Officials chastised him for it also

VinLieger · 22-10-2020 10:00pm

OS_Head wrote: »

It's probably unconstitutional to ban you're own citizens from coming home. I know you think he's bad, though correct me if i'm wrong, but he wouldn't that. He says he's for the citizens of the US, first and foremost.

He says a lot, very rarely is anything true.

The majority of the people on the Grand Princess were american yet he publicly stated he didnt want to let them off cus he didnt want the US numbers to go up, he cared more about covid numbers than his citizens and this is just one example.

Igotadose · 22-10-2020 10:01pm

John Divney wrote: »

No he was literally accused of racism for the ban. Pelosi went to the Chinese NY to stick it to him ffs. The whole NY health Officials chastised him for it also

Pelosi went to Chinatown to help defuse the rise in racist attacks on Asian Americans that went up coincident with tge travel ban. Same day Trump said Covid would disappear. And btw US citizens in China weren't banned from returning.

abff · 22-10-2020 10:02pm

OS_Head wrote: »

The Senate acquitted Trump of these charges on February 5, 2020. Turns out MSM and the Democrats led by Clinton spent the previous 3 years trying to set him up. It was all false, made up and not true. If it were, he wouldn't be the president now.

Mitch McConnell announced that the senate was going to acquit Trump before they even heard the evidence. Hardly a fair court and certainly far from providing any assertion that he was innocent of the charges. They acted totally politically without any regard for the facts of the case.

22-10-2020 10:03pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Well you're simply attacking his perceived character (which I'm not a huge fan of either, but I'm coming round, I like the way he trolls the left) and what you've been told by MSM. If you really want to judge his time in office you should pay attention to his actions and achievements.

Perceived character? I've watched his press conferences and read his tweets. Straight from the man himself. He's an utterly incompetent man child.

John Divney · 22-10-2020 10:06pm

Igotadose wrote: »

Pelosi went to Chinatown to help defuse the rise in racist attacks on Asian Americans that went up coincident with tge travel ban. Same day Trump said Covid would disappear. And btw US citizens in China weren't banned from returning.

She went to tell people to go outside, she said the ban was racist. This is on record. The whole establishment said it was racist and that the virus was not dangerous at that time.

Foxtrol · 22-10-2020 10:06pm

Midlife wrote: »

Bringing attention to the fact that elites are screwing the American working people over. Pretty much the reason people switched from Bernie to Trump.

I'm just not sure that anything was done about it bar bringing attention to it.

No foreign wars.

Getting rid of NAFTA.

Economy on a heater.

So outweighed by the rubbish though.

The replacement was basically the same thing with very minor tweaks.

He made some first steps towards criminal justice reform. Like everything else he had so much political capital he could have done so much more that would have helped him win the election but didn't bother.

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 10:07pm

VinLieger wrote: »

He wasnt accused of racism for banning travel he was accised of racism for calling it the China Virus.

Also even though he did ban travel from China he then spent the next month minimising the virus and doing nothing while it spread quietly through the US completely negating any postives from the travel ban.

What were Bidens words on the travel ban? "Hysterical Xenophobia!". It was all over leftist media. I believe he continued to call it the China Virus because they were calling him racist anyway.

Besides, saying something is politically correct or not, simply by saying it is, is not how that works. The WHO changed the naming of diseases back in 2015. So was the WHO and everyone else racist only a few years ago. I think not.

Beechwoodspark · 22-10-2020 10:09pm

Apparently Biden is going to throw all sorts of sh1t at trump tonight regarding

Numerous Affairs with hookers including victims of trafficking
Alleged abortions he demanded and paid for
Drug abuse by Trump, his ex wife and his children
Alleged drug trafficking by Eric Trump
“Kompromat” by Russia - videos of trump in extremely compromised positions
Serious fraud by Trump companies involving his children
Secret Chinese bank accounts and debts owed to Chinese
Huge debts he owes to Russia individuals and North Korea
Huge debts he owes to Deutsche Bank
Blatant incidents of racism and sexism

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 10:22pm

Igotadose wrote: »

Still impeached though. Acquitted of crimes. Led by Clinton? Srsly? Lol

FBI Lied To FISA Court In Russiagate Investigation. How did Russiagate get started? It started under false premises with the FBI and the FISA applications.

duploelabs · 22-10-2020 10:26pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Apparently Biden is going to throw all sorts of sh1t at trump tonight regarding

Numerous Affairs with hookers including victims of trafficking
Alleged abortions he demanded and paid for
Drug abuse by Trump, his ex wife and his children
Alleged drug trafficking by Eric Trump
“Kompromat” by Russia - videos of trump in extremely compromised positions
Serious fraud by Trump companies involving his children
Secret Chinese bank accounts and debts owed to Chinese
Huge debts he owes to Russia individuals and North Korea
Huge debts he owes to Deutsche Bank
Blatant incidents of racism and sexism

Why are you pasting this statement on multiple forums, have you a source for this?

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 10:26pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Apparently Biden is going to throw all sorts of sh1t at trump tonight regarding

Numerous Affairs with hookers including victims of trafficking
Alleged abortions he demanded and paid for
Drug abuse by Trump, his ex wife and his children
Alleged drug trafficking by Eric Trump
“Kompromat” by Russia - videos of trump in extremely compromised positions
Serious fraud by Trump companies involving his children
Secret Chinese bank accounts and debts owed to Chinese
Huge debts he owes to Russia individuals and North Korea
Huge debts he owes to Deutsche Bank
Blatant incidents of racism and sexism

And he put a lid on his campaign 5 days ago to memorize all that. I think you'd be better putting the word "alleged" in front of each of your bullet points.

looksee · 22-10-2020 10:27pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Well you're simply attacking his perceived character (which I'm not a huge fan of either, but I'm coming round, I like the way he trolls the left) and what you've been told by MSM. If you really want to judge his time in office you should pay attention to his actions and achievements.

This is the President of the United States you are talking about.

'He trolls the left' is not a commendation for someone with his responsibilities and duty to the entire country, not just the bits he likes - ie the ones that flatter him.

ancapailldorcha · 22-10-2020 10:33pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

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22-10-2020 10:47pm

stefanovich wrote: »

Trump's rallies are packed. Biden's are usually a few cars, some farm animals maybe. Terrible optics.

Where have I heard that before?

Midlife · 22-10-2020 10:53pm

OS_Head wrote: »

I think it's been unfair to all the leaders of the world. The best estimates from etymologists back when it started was it would kill over 2 million Americans and by this stage up to 15 million people world wide. These number are pretty wide of the mark. Notwithstanding that any one person can be held responsible for any of those numbers. We are all in this together and we are all responsible in certain ways. When Trump banned all travel from China, he was accused of being racist and over reactionary. He tried to stop all traffic into New York from Europe. It was opposed by Cuomo who went on to preside over one of the worst affected regions of this pandemic. Trump sent him the hospital ship which he didn't use. Instead he put the sick into nursing homes. He, MSM and the Democrat blame their deaths on Trump. No matter what decisions and statement he made they were either opposed or taking out of context. Pelosi walking down Chinatown telling everyone it's safe, or de Blasio telling the media it was safe and the flu was worse. So putting the blame on Trump for the pandemic is pretty reaching IMO. But the Democrats will say anything to get elected.

Do you have anything to say about his response?

Anything about him trying to open up early, not promoting basic guidelines, saying he knows more than scientists and holding large scale events??

It's been an unlucky time for world leaders but this doesn't mean they get a free pass.

If you're asking us to say what we credit him for then you can at least be honest with yourself and be critical of him.

The truth is he messed up this response both in terms of leading the country and protecting people and also in terms of publicity. It has shown him up to not really have a clue. His famed 'instincts' and distrust for science are way off. IMO covid just showed it up in real time, eventually everyone will see his tax break, the environmental regulations, the national debt, all short term wins for long term losses.

Brian? · 22-10-2020 11:07pm

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I just watched Trump's upload of the interview with Leslie Stahl.

AH, FFS!

The man is SERIOUSLY unwellðŸ˜¥

It's actually frightening to see a POTUS who is so totally delusional, and living in an alternate reality! He ACTUALLY believes all this stuff!!

Jeebus wept!

Link?

PropJoe10 · 22-10-2020 11:12pm

OS_Head wrote: »

And he put a lid on his campaign 5 days ago to memorize all that. I think you'd be better putting the word "alleged" in front of each of your bullet points.

Just like the "allegations" made against Biden recently, I assume? Those are still alleged as well, right?

Graham · 22-10-2020 11:19pm

Brian? wrote: »

Link?

Here's the unedited interviews

Stahl / Trump

Stahl / Pence

ECO_Mental · 22-10-2020 11:46pm

OS_Head wrote: »

And he put a lid on his campaign 5 days ago to memorize all that. I think you'd be better putting the word "alleged" in front of each of your bullet points.

I think the Biden campaign strategy is "Let Trump be Trump...."

and its working great! :P:D:P:D

Christy42 · 23-10-2020 12:33am

John Divney wrote: »

No he was literally accused of racism for the ban. Pelosi went to the Chinese NY to stick it to him ffs. The whole NY health Officials chastised him for it also

I love the entire China ban thing. Imagine being given a single document to do up for work and trying to say you did something by writing one word.

Banning some but not all of Chinese travel followed by nothing for months on end. Worse than nothing, actively encouraging people to break local restrictions and to insist that nothing was wrong as 220,000+ people died.

We now also have the optics of a US president openly scared of hard questions. And somehow he thought being scared of questions makes him look good?

spacecoyote · 23-10-2020 12:44am

Christy42 wrote: »

I love the entire China ban thing. Imagine being given a single document to do up for work and trying to say you did something by writing one word.

Banning some but not all of Chinese travel followed by nothing for months on end. Worse than nothing, actively encouraging people to break local restrictions and to insist that nothing was wrong as 220,000+ people died.

We now also have the optics of a US president openly scared of hard questions. And somehow he thought being scared of questions makes him look good?

The PGA Tour Exhibition was on in the US in Florida I think, in January, and, from a mate that was at it, there was an enormous Chinese contingent attending it. So its highly likely some cases came in through that event and the horse had well and truly bolted by the time Trump attempted to close things down.

If theres truth that he had the Intel a lot earlier and sat on it then theres a number of events that could have been cancelled or more effectively managed

Rjd2 · 23-10-2020 2:32am

Little time for Hunter Biden but this debate about him and his father regarding Ukraine etc is a total waste of time for Trump.

Its way to online and isn't going to resonate with the masses.

He needs to change the subject asap.

Caegan · 23-10-2020 2:46am

Watching the debate and all I can think is as low as Trump has dragged the office of the Presidency, he just drags it lower and lower.

LuckyLloyd · 23-10-2020 3:04am

Very strong performance from Biden. Getting stronger and clearer as it wears on. He’s done more than he needed to.

Call me Al · 23-10-2020 3:51am

I wonder what effect Biden's policy on zero carbon emissions wrt the oil industry will have on his Texas vote.
He was very direct with his piece on subsidies to the oil industry.

Tell me how · 23-10-2020 4:31am

Call me Al wrote: »

I wonder what effect Biden's policy on zero carbon emissions wrt the oil industry will have on his Texas vote.
He was very direct with his piece on subsidies to the oil industry.

Probably won't impact Texas's likelihood to vote red.

Biden hoping it will be heard by the people who believe climate change is an existential threat.

Wanderer78 · 23-10-2020 6:27am

The Phantom Pain wrote:

Nope, that's the strategy Clinton used and she lost. Watching that debate I came away as I always do whenever someone debates Trump - feeling that no one should vote for the fool but also seeing no reason why anyone should vote for his opposition. Biden can barely string a sentence together and has no charisma - these are the things voters look for, not policy. Sad but true. It's painful to watch.

Some would look for these things in a candidate, some wouldn't give a rat's arse, I'd say Biden will just about get it over the line

Midlife · 23-10-2020 6:58am

OS_Head wrote: »

I think it's been unfair to all the leaders of the world. The best estimates from etymologists back when it started was it would kill over 2 million Americans and by this stage up to 15 million people world wide. These number are pretty wide of the mark. Notwithstanding that any one person can be held responsible for any of those numbers. We are all in this together and we are all responsible in certain ways. When Trump banned all travel from China, he was accused of being racist and over reactionary. He tried to stop all traffic into New York from Europe. It was opposed by Cuomo who went on to preside over one of the worst affected regions of this pandemic. Trump sent him the hospital ship which he didn't use. Instead he put the sick into nursing homes. He, MSM and the Democrat blame their deaths on Trump. No matter what decisions and statement he made they were either opposed or taking out of context. Pelosi walking down Chinatown telling everyone it's safe, or de Blasio telling the media it was safe and the flu was worse. So putting the blame on Trump for the pandemic is pretty reaching IMO. But the Democrats will say anything to get elected.

Also your two million figure is dishonest.

That was a figure if no measures were taken, if no social distancing happened, if everyone kept doing the same thing.

That was not as you say expected deaths.

IMO you're leading with your feelings and not being rational. Be honest with the information. Challenge your opinions on this stuff.

SimonTemplar · 23-10-2020 10:17am

The Trump campaign would have hoped for Biden to make a big headline mistake and for the Hunter stuff to make a significant impact but neither happened.

Quin_Dub · 23-10-2020 10:24am

SimonTemplar wrote: »

The Trump campaign would have hoped for Biden to make a big headline mistake and for the Hunter stuff to make a significant impact but neither happened.

Indeed , a good analogy I heard this morning.

If this were Soccer , Biden went in to the debate with a 3-0 lead after the first leg.

Trump was better , certainly far less awful than the 1st debate , but at best he might have pulled back a goal.

Biden still has the lead.

Will be telling to see the polling over the next few days - Not many polls released earlier this week as most I think held back until after the debate.

An Ciarraioch · 23-10-2020 10:34am

Now the first two would be Dem-leaning, but not aware of YouGov having the same issue, so appears Biden was considered to have won last night's debate:

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1319501422929510404

Christy42 · 23-10-2020 10:46am

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

Nope, that's the strategy Clinton used and she lost.
Watching that debate I came away as I always do whenever someone debates Trump - feeling that no one should vote for the fool but also seeing no reason why anyone should vote for his opposition. Biden can barely string a sentence together and has no charisma - these are the things voters look for, not policy. Sad but true. It's painful to watch.

Trump had nothing to defend 4 years ago which is a big difference. Then he could claim he would do everything perfect. Now he has to defend his own record. The child separation policies the 220k+ dead from a tepid covid response. A complete lack of action on healthcare.

bad2dabone · 23-10-2020 11:01am

Christy42 wrote: »

Trump had nothing to defend 4 years ago which is a big difference. Then he could claim he would do everything perfect. Now he has to defend his own record. The child separation policies the 220k+ dead from a tepid covid response. A complete lack of action on healthcare.

But the healthcare stuff will be ready in two weeks!

I genuinely struggle to think how one could be happy with his performance so far as president and want it to continue for for more years.

robinph · 23-10-2020 11:12am

bad2dabone wrote: »

But the healthcare stuff will be ready in two weeks!

A quick Google for "new healthcare plan in two weeks" throws up articles from Feb 2017, June 2018 and July and September 2020 at least where it had been recently mentioned by Trump.

Water John · 23-10-2020 11:22am

Seems another pizzgate story doing the rounds. This time attaching it to Hunter Biden. Seems to be sourced to Steve Bannon. Most media won't touch it but getting pushed by GOP.

Could they not even come up with a new idea?
'Some of the same people who pushed a false conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton that first emerged in 2016 are now targeting Hunter Biden, Joe Biden’s son, with similar falsehoods. Their online posts are garnering astronomical numbers of shares on social media.

The fantastical rumors, which NBC News is declining to repeat verbatim, echo specific plot points central to “pizzagate,” a viral disinformation campaign that predates QAnon but also falsely alleges a vast conspiracy of child abuse.' NBC News

Roanmore · 23-10-2020 11:28am

Water John wrote: »

Seems another pizzgate story doing the rounds. This time attaching it to Hunter Biden. Seems to be sourced to Steve Bannon. Most media won't touch it but getting pushed by GOP.

Could they not even come up with a new idea.

Think that came from Don Jr. yesterday on Twitter. He said the money the Biden's are getting from China has come from from human trafficking and paedophile rings. Seems to be an increase in Facebook articles saying much the same thing.
Carole Cadwalladr had a story on it, over 30% of the people who were targetted with this story believed it.

Quin_Dub · 23-10-2020 11:32am

robinph wrote: »

A quick Google for "new healthcare plan in two weeks" throws up articles from Feb 2017, June 2018 and July and September 2020 at least where it had been recently mentioned by Trump.

Google "Trump two weeks" - That shows many many more entries in the "It'll be ready in two weeks" storyline from Trump.

Basically everything he's asked , the response is either "We're looking at that very strongly" or "We'll be coming out with XYZ in two weeks"

stefanovich · 23-10-2020 11:33am

Christy42 wrote: »

Trump had nothing to defend 4 years ago which is a big difference. Then he could claim he would do everything perfect. Now he has to defend his own record. The child separation policies the 220k+ dead from a tepid covid response. A complete lack of action on healthcare.

Yes, we in Europe did such a great job we are now a 200K cases a day.

bad2dabone · 23-10-2020 11:42am

stefanovich wrote: »

Yes, we in Europe did such a great job we are now a 200K cases a day.

It's a worrying number, no doubt, but for context what's the population of the area we're seeing 200k cases in?

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