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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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    #5792
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,854 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    OS_Head wrote: »
    Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

    Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

    I would say defeating ISIS's caliphate and the killing of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
    He has also provided great comedy value people like Samantha Bee, john oliver etc have really knocked it out of the park, in a really factual and entertaining way.

    Bar that I am struggling.


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    #5793
    Midlife
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    OS_Head wrote: »
    And if you continue to remember the rest of my point (that the moderators have deleted) is that this thread is, in my opinion, just so others can spew out MSM's TDS talking points. I was hoping for a little more insight from what I presumed were Irish posters. Being a little detached from what was going on across the pond and unaffected by the TDS that seems to prevail everywhere. Seem's I was wrong. The TDS is strong here. Pointing this out, colourful language or not, gets the post deleted. So yeah, TDS infected echo chamber, I stand by my first statement.

    But Trump deliberately says controversial things and lies a lot. He does this on purpose to keep the stories tucking over and things focussed on him. It's impossible to have a discussion because it's impossible to stay on one topic for long enough.

    But if you wish to have a discussion, please start one. Do you think focusing on the coronavirus is unfair to him? Do you think he's done a good job in this regard?


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    #5794
    dogbert27
    Registered Users Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    OS_Head wrote: »
    Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

    Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

    Alec Baldwin being Trump on SNL


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    #5795
    OS_Head
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭OS_Head


    Well OK, here's mine. He is the first president not start a new war since Reagan. I believe the Democrats, the Deep state and MSM are colluding to aid the corporate and industrial war complex.

    But let me make this easier for anyone willing to partake. Is there anything that Trump should be impeached for, if so then elaborate just a little.


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    #5796
    moon2
    Registered Users Posts: 677 ✭✭✭moon2


    OS_Head wrote: »
    Well OK, here's mine. He is the first president not start a new war since Reagan. I believe the Democrats, the Deep state and MSM are colluding to aid the corporate and industrial war complex.

    But let me make this easier for anyone willing to partake. Is there anything that Trump should be impeached for, if so then elaborate just a little.

    He has been impeached :)


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    #5797
    Midlife
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    OS_Head wrote: »
    Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

    Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

    Bringing attention to the fact that elites are screwing the American working people over. Pretty much the reason people switched from Bernie to Trump.

    I'm just not sure that anything was done about it bar bringing attention to it.

    No foreign wars.

    Getting rid of NAFTA.

    Economy on a heater.

    So outweighed by the rubbish though.


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    #5798
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    OS_Head wrote: »
    Well OK, here's mine. He is the first president not start a new war since Reagan. I believe the Democrats, the Deep state and MSM are colluding to aid the corporate and industrial war complex.

    But let me make this easier for anyone willing to partake. Is there anything that Trump should be impeached for, if so then elaborate just a little.

    Not starting a war has been a matter of luck, for all of us. When you think one of his cabinet, was going to church regularly to pray as that was all he had to stop Trump starting a war, if he was in the humour.


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    #5799
    OS_Head
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭OS_Head


    Midlife wrote: »
    But if you wish to have a discussion, please start one. Do you think focusing on the coronavirus is unfair to him? Do you think he's done a good job in this regard?

    I think it's been unfair to all the leaders of the world. The best estimates from etymologists back when it started was it would kill over 2 million Americans and by this stage up to 15 million people world wide. These number are pretty wide of the mark. Notwithstanding that any one person can be held responsible for any of those numbers. We are all in this together and we are all responsible in certain ways. When Trump banned all travel from China, he was accused of being racist and over reactionary. He tried to stop all traffic into New York from Europe. It was opposed by Cuomo who went on to preside over one of the worst affected regions of this pandemic. Trump sent him the hospital ship which he didn't use. Instead he put the sick into nursing homes. He, MSM and the Democrat blame their deaths on Trump. No matter what decisions and statement he made they were either opposed or taking out of context. Pelosi walking down Chinatown telling everyone it's safe, or de Blasio telling the media it was safe and the flu was worse. So putting the blame on Trump for the pandemic is pretty reaching IMO. But the Democrats will say anything to get elected.


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    #5800
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,653 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Water John wrote: »
    Not starting a war has been a matter of luck, for all of us. When you think one of his cabinet, was going to church regularly to pray as that was all he had to stop Trump starting a war, if he was in the humour.

    Indeed, the killing of Bagdahdi and the way it was done whether justified or not brought the US incredibly close to war.


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    #5801
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,285 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    OS_Head wrote: »
    I think it's been unfair to all the leaders of the world. The best estimates from etymologists back when it started was it would kill over 2 million Americans and by this stage up to 15 million people world wide. These number are pretty wide of the mark. Notwithstanding that any one person can be held responsible for any of those numbers. We are all in this together and we are all responsible in certain ways. When Trump banned all travel from China, he was accused of being racist and over reactionary. He tried to stop all traffic into New York from Europe. It was opposed by Cuomo who went on to preside over one of the worst affected regions of this pandemic. Trump sent him the hospital ship which he didn't use. Instead he put the sick into nursing homes. He, MSM and the Democrat blame their deaths on Trump. No matter what decisions and statement he made they were either opposed or taking out of context. Pelosi walking down Chinatown telling everyone it's safe, or de Blasio telling the media it was safe and the flu was worse. So putting the blame on Trump for the pandemic is pretty reaching IMO. But the Democrats will say anything to get elected.

    Did he ban all travel from China?


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    #5802
    OS_Head
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭OS_Head


    Water John wrote: »
    Not starting a war has been a matter of luck, for all of us. When you think one of his cabinet, was going to church regularly to pray as that was all he had to stop Trump starting a war, if he was in the humour.

    I have to disagree with you. It's the industrial war complex who own the swamp and MSM. Trump is not as influenced by them as either party.

    He has started peace talks in earnest with the Taliban. Got signed deals that are intended to normalize relations in the Middle East and in Serbia. Pulled out of the Iran deal. Only one reason they are trying to get the bomb.

    The previous administration created ISIS and dropped more bombs than any in living memory. I once heard they actually ran out of bombs because they dropped so many, which is how Obama got the nickname of Oboma. So I don't think it was a matter of luck. Trump has made US energy independent by increasing fracking. Weather you agree with this or not, they are now not dependent on oil from the middle east. This could mean no more American led wars there.


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    #5803
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,020 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    All, Just a reminder about the forum rules and the expectation of the standards required here.

    Please review the forum rules and keep the standards up.


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    #5804
    OS_Head
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭OS_Head


    salmocab wrote: »
    Did he ban all travel from China?

    From what I remember, He did ban all travel from China in February. Though, many people traveled via to other countries like Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore to get to the States.


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    #5805
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,653 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    OS_Head wrote: »
    From what I remember, He did ban all travel from China in February. Though, many people traveled via to other countries like Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore to get to the States.

    He wasnt accused of racism for banning travel he was accised of racism for calling it the China Virus.

    Also even though he did ban travel from China he then spent the next month minimising the virus and doing nothing while it spread quietly through the US completely negating any postives from the travel ban.


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    #5806
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    OS_Head wrote: »
    Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

    Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

    Bush Derangement Syndrome was a real thing. TDS in comparison is a joke. Trump simply is that bad.


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    #5807
    OS_Head
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭OS_Head


    moon2 wrote: »
    He has been impeached :)

    The Senate acquitted Trump of these charges on February 5, 2020. Turns out MSM and the Democrats led by Clinton spent the previous 3 years trying to set him up. It was all false, made up and not true. If it were, he wouldn't be the president now.


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    #5808
    OS_Head
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭OS_Head


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bush Derangement Syndrome was a real thing. TDS in comparison is a joke. Trump simply is that bad.

    Well you're simply attacking his perceived character (which I'm not a huge fan of either, but I'm coming round, I like the way he trolls the left) and what you've been told by MSM. If you really want to judge his time in office you should pay attention to his actions and achievements.


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    #5809
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,285 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    OS_Head wrote: »
    From what I remember, He did ban all travel from China in February. Though, many people traveled via to other countries like Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore to get to the States.

    No I think he banned non Americans coming in from China but there were plenty of flights.


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    #5810
    OS_Head
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭OS_Head


    salmocab wrote: »
    No I think he banned non Americans coming in from China but there were plenty of flights.

    It's probably unconstitutional to ban you're own citizens from coming home. I know you think he's bad, though correct me if i'm wrong, but he wouldn't that. He says he's for the citizens of the US, first and foremost.


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    #5811
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    OS_Head wrote: »
    The Senate acquitted Trump of these charges on February 5, 2020. Turns out MSM and the Democrats led by Clinton spent the previous 3 years trying to set him up. It was all false, made up and not true. If it were, he wouldn't be the president now.

    Still impeached though. Acquitted of crimes. Led by Clinton? Srsly? Lol


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    #5812
    John Divney
    Registered Users Posts: 998 ✭✭✭John Divney


    VinLieger wrote: »
    He wasnt accused of racism for banning travel he was accised of racism for calling it the China Virus.

    No he was literally accused of racism for the ban. Pelosi went to the Chinese NY to stick it to him ffs. The whole NY health Officials chastised him for it also


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    #5813
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,653 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    OS_Head wrote: »
    It's probably unconstitutional to ban you're own citizens from coming home. I know you think he's bad, though correct me if i'm wrong, but he wouldn't that. He says he's for the citizens of the US, first and foremost.

    He says a lot, very rarely is anything true.

    The majority of the people on the Grand Princess were american yet he publicly stated he didnt want to let them off cus he didnt want the US numbers to go up, he cared more about covid numbers than his citizens and this is just one example.


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    #5814
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    John Divney wrote: »
    No he was literally accused of racism for the ban. Pelosi went to the Chinese NY to stick it to him ffs. The whole NY health Officials chastised him for it also
    Pelosi went to Chinatown to help defuse the rise in racist attacks on Asian Americans that went up coincident with tge travel ban. Same day Trump said Covid would disappear. And btw US citizens in China weren't banned from returning.


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    #5815
    abff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,717 ✭✭✭abff


    OS_Head wrote: »
    The Senate acquitted Trump of these charges on February 5, 2020. Turns out MSM and the Democrats led by Clinton spent the previous 3 years trying to set him up. It was all false, made up and not true. If it were, he wouldn't be the president now.

    Mitch McConnell announced that the senate was going to acquit Trump before they even heard the evidence. Hardly a fair court and certainly far from providing any assertion that he was innocent of the charges. They acted totally politically without any regard for the facts of the case.


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    #5816
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    OS_Head wrote: »
    Well you're simply attacking his perceived character (which I'm not a huge fan of either, but I'm coming round, I like the way he trolls the left) and what you've been told by MSM. If you really want to judge his time in office you should pay attention to his actions and achievements.

    Perceived character? I've watched his press conferences and read his tweets. Straight from the man himself. He's an utterly incompetent man child.


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    #5817
    John Divney
    Registered Users Posts: 998 ✭✭✭John Divney


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Pelosi went to Chinatown to help defuse the rise in racist attacks on Asian Americans that went up coincident with tge travel ban. Same day Trump said Covid would disappear. And btw US citizens in China weren't banned from returning.

    She went to tell people to go outside, she said the ban was racist. This is on record. The whole establishment said it was racist and that the virus was not dangerous at that time.


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    #5818
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Midlife wrote: »
    Bringing attention to the fact that elites are screwing the American working people over. Pretty much the reason people switched from Bernie to Trump.

    I'm just not sure that anything was done about it bar bringing attention to it.

    No foreign wars.

    Getting rid of NAFTA.

    Economy on a heater.

    So outweighed by the rubbish though.

    The replacement was basically the same thing with very minor tweaks.

    He made some first steps towards criminal justice reform. Like everything else he had so much political capital he could have done so much more that would have helped him win the election but didn't bother.


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    #5819
    OS_Head
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭OS_Head


    VinLieger wrote: »
    He wasnt accused of racism for banning travel he was accised of racism for calling it the China Virus.

    Also even though he did ban travel from China he then spent the next month minimising the virus and doing nothing while it spread quietly through the US completely negating any postives from the travel ban.

    What were Bidens words on the travel ban? "Hysterical Xenophobia!". It was all over leftist media. I believe he continued to call it the China Virus because they were calling him racist anyway.

    Besides, saying something is politically correct or not, simply by saying it is, is not how that works. The WHO changed the naming of diseases back in 2015. So was the WHO and everyone else racist only a few years ago. I think not.


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    #5820
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,287 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Apparently Biden is going to throw all sorts of sh1t at trump tonight regarding

    Numerous Affairs with hookers including victims of trafficking
    Alleged abortions he demanded and paid for
    Drug abuse by Trump, his ex wife and his children
    Alleged drug trafficking by Eric Trump
    “Kompromat” by Russia - videos of trump in extremely compromised positions
    Serious fraud by Trump companies involving his children
    Secret Chinese bank accounts and debts owed to Chinese
    Huge debts he owes to Russia individuals and North Korea
    Huge debts he owes to Deutsche Bank
    Blatant incidents of racism and sexism


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    #5821
    OS_Head
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭OS_Head


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Still impeached though. Acquitted of crimes. Led by Clinton? Srsly? Lol

    FBI Lied To FISA Court In Russiagate Investigation. How did Russiagate get started? It started under false premises with the FBI and the FISA applications.


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