Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

_Kaiser_ · 22-10-2020 09:04PM

KennisWhale wrote: »

Yes.

I am not CMO in a pandemic - literally the worst case scenario for his job. Why not just step aside fully instead of taking a leave of absence in the midst of the crisis? It is not professional on his part to skip out in a crisis and waltz back in, having missed a key number of months.

The bigger issue is that his family situation, as sad as it is, means he's not the right person to be making decisions for a country (because that's what's happening here - just as it was before he took the leave of absence).

I think he's lost all sense of perspective and he should not have been allowed resume the role - and that's before we consider why he still has it after the cervical check scandal.

Micky 32 · 22-10-2020 09:12PM

Have to say ( maybe it’s me) it doesn’t have the same gloomy feeling as the March lockdown. Lots of activity out there today, lots of cars on the road all day. Of course that’s no consolation to the businesses that had to close.

Zebra3 · 22-10-2020 09:13PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The bigger issue is that his family situation, as sad as it is, means he's not the right person to be making decisions for a country (because that's what's happening here - just as it was before he took the leave of absence).

I think he's lost all sense of perspective and he should not have been allowed resume the role - and that's before we consider why he still has it after the cervical check scandal.

Tbf to Holohan, MM destroyed the country and got to make a comeback so why shouldn't he despite his fck up with the cervical checks? :pac:

Rrrrrr2 · 22-10-2020 09:14PM

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

Pre social media we don't get ourselves into this mess.

You see it with certain other social justice movements that affect a minuscule proportion of people and they are blown up with hysteria and tantrums until they have to be legislated for.

In the 80's we would have said " there is a bad dose going around" and we'd have carried on . Im convinced that is how we would have acted.

I laugh at lads on here quoting IFR and CFR numbers and moralising to everyone from ivory towers.
Click on their username and look at their posting history pre-covid. They knew nothing about anything in this field.

I don't know if they'd talk like this face to face. Sometimes I wonder if the people who are replying to my posts are 16 years old.

Yea was only saying the same- there would not have been a fraction of it. People barely had a home phone.

it’s only the past decade that it’s taken off- just my opinion but overall I think it’s massively damaging to all aspects of society- mental health, politics, privacy. It’s really a toxic combination. I’d love to see a retreat back away from it and back to more normal living like people used to be

Galwayguy35 · 22-10-2020 09:15PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Have to say ( maybe it’s me) it doesn’t have the same gloomy feeling as the March lockdown. Lots of activity out there today, lots of cars on the road all day. Of course that’s no consolation to the businesses that had to close.

Same here, expected the roads to be a lot quieter but it seemed the same as normal.

FintanMcluskey · 22-10-2020 09:15PM

rusty cole wrote: »

I have to say to all involved on this thread. Well done..to pro and con posters. A discourse is a discourse and im convinced thats why we are indoors..out of pubs..cafes..clubs and anything else where ideas are exchanged and views are challenged..thats good..if this is the new forum then so what..shouty and abusive as at can be at times..at least its free and 109% unsensored...thats a good start..im going on the beer..enjoy your time whatever you do with it

Its like a retreat of normality.

There is one poster I have struggled to convince it’s a police state for months, but I really think I’m making progress now

Rrrrrr2 · 22-10-2020 09:17PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Have to say ( maybe it’s me) it doesn’t have the same gloomy feeling as the March lockdown. Lots of activity out there today, lots of cars on the road all day. Of course that’s no consolation to the businesses that had to close.

More a sense that many don’t give two fcuks (I don’t) which is refreshing. Way more of a farcical feel and set up to it also which erodes it’s public credibility greatly.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-10-2020 09:23PM

Situation in France described as grave. Curfews being expanded. They need a similar national lockdown across the board like Ireland.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1319335551154180100

Rrrrrr2 · 22-10-2020 09:23PM

RobitTV wrote: »

BBC: The UK Transport Minister, Grant Shapps, has just included the Canary Islands in the safe travel green list from Sunday the 25th of October. UK citizens entering the Canary Islands will be exempt from quarantine on their return to the UK.

Jet2 have announced that they will resume their flights to the Canary Islands on October 30. It follows the UK government decision today to add the Canary Islands to its travel safe list. UK citizens will no longer need to quarantine on their return.

Nothing from Ireland as usual...

I would absolutely love to go down to The canaries! Great place with fantastic weather

Rrrrrr2 · 22-10-2020 09:24PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Situation in France described as grave. Curfews being expanded. They need a similar national lockdown across the board like Ireland.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1319335551154180100

Meanwhile their restaurants etc remain open! You people are sort of losing it tbh

Micky 32 · 22-10-2020 09:25PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

More a sense that many don’t give two fcuks (I don’t) which is refreshing. Way more of a farcical feel and set up to it also which erodes it’s public credibility greatly.

That’s the impression i got too to be honest. I doubt they were all “shopping”

Rrrrrr2 · 22-10-2020 09:29PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

That’s the impression i got too to be honest. I doubt they were all “shopping”

Not at all. I didn’t notice it any quieter either today though I wasn’t high very far and it wasn’t at rush hour. Vast bulk of people are done - and even if they virtue signal and pretend they (Like the vast majority) are they really are not because they’re voting with their two feet.

_Kaiser_ · 22-10-2020 09:29PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Yea was only saying the same- there would not have been a fraction of it. People barely had a home phone.

it’s only the past decade that it’s taken off- just my opinion but overall I think it’s massively damaging to all aspects of society- mental health, politics, privacy. It’s really a toxic combination. I’d love to see a retreat back away from it and back to more normal living like people used to be

One thing I hope comes out of it (but unlikely) is stronger regulation of Social Media platforms.

The damage these can cause is increasingly obvious with the polarising and aggressive nature of "debate", the rush to be the next "viral" post, the silencing and hounding of people and opinions not "on message" with the group-think consensus, bored mainstream media with unlimited virtual column to fill repeating this stuff and thus legitimising it, and the attempts to copy/paste American identity politics, racial and social issues into cultures that have no relation to them.

Then you have them being deliberately used by foreign powers to affect elections and influence outcomes - even at a "lesser" level, they are affecting people's ability to decide and think for themselves, or even just to interact in the real world.

This really needs to be looked at and the platforms themselves fined and otherwise sanctioned.

Rrrrrr2 · 22-10-2020 09:30PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Also, lot of pressure, especially in rural areas, to put suicides down as some other cause of death where possible.

Anyone who looks at our suicide figures and thinks that's the full picture is way off the mark.

I’m sorry to say but that is the real epidemic coming and facing into the winter. Just heard today of a local one, young chap

Penfailed · 22-10-2020 09:31PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its like a retreat of normality.

There is one poster I have struggled to convince it’s a police state for months, but I really think I’m making progress now

Hahaha! Very good.

22-10-2020 09:48PM

interesting expert (Professor John Lee Consultant Pathologist NHS) being interviewed on Prime Time, saying lockdown is an overaction. Covid is not the virus we feared at the beginning he said but we continue to act like it is. We are causing more harm, damage to our quality of life and death by our actions for a virus that is like many viruses in the last 30 years.

He continues: In normal Winters we have viruses but we never test for them. We are frantically testing and reporting results for Covid yet hardly anyone is getting sick now or dying............this is like an ordinary virus. The scientific, medical and societal approcach to this is totally wrong. Life should go on and people who are sick, elderly and vulnerable should be advised to look after themselves if they wish.

WOW, all very interesting, and sensible!

retro:electro · 22-10-2020 09:53PM

There was a retired pathologist from the UK on Prime Time just now talking the height of sense. We need to do away with these infantilising lockdowns and make our own risk assessments. He said if it’s the case that your health service can’t cope then you need to invest more in your health service. How many years now have our hospitals been busting at the seams from September to March? Headline news every winter year in and year out yet nothing is ever done. We are being locked down and punished because we have a health service so fragile it cannot cope with the slightest bit of pressure. Businesses closed, people out of work and jobs permanently lost because our hospitals are non functional to begin with.

Rrrrrr2 · 22-10-2020 09:54PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

interesting expert (Professor John Lee Consultant Pathologist NHS) being interviewed on Prime Time, saying lockdown is an overaction. Covid is not the virus we feared at the beginning he said but we continue to act like it is. We are causing more harm, damage to our quality of life and death by our actions for a virus that is like many viruses in the last 30 years.

He continues: In normal Winters we have viruses but we never test for them. We are frantically testing and reporting results for Covid yet hardly anyone is getting sick now or dying............this is like an ordinary virus. The scientific, medical and societal approcach to this is totally wrong. Life should go on and people who are sick, elderly and vulnerable should be advised to look after themselves if they wish.

WOW, all very interesting, and sensible!

Unfortunately no stopping the deranged lunatics like Dr SmearCheck and co here- they know better than the WHO, apparently

uli84 · 22-10-2020 10:00PM

So why did they drop localised restrictions? Too complicated for them to manage, is it?
Making it easy for themselves or what?
Surely if the UK can manage, they should be able to master it here as well (?)

Zebra3 · 22-10-2020 10:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Situation in France described as grave. Curfews being expanded. They need a similar national lockdown across the board like Ireland.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1319335551154180100

I'm sure the people of France and their establishment will take on board your views.

Which part of France are you living in to make that call and how well do you understand the French mentality?

Just out of curiosity.

TRANQUILLO · 22-10-2020 10:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

interesting expert (Professor John Lee Consultant Pathologist NHS) being interviewed on Prime Time, saying lockdown is an overaction. Covid is not the virus we feared at the beginning he said but we continue to act like it is. We are causing more harm, damage to our quality of life and death by our actions for a virus that is like many viruses in the last 30 years.

He continues: In normal Winters we have viruses but we never test for them. We are frantically testing and reporting results for Covid yet hardly anyone is getting sick now or dying............this is like an ordinary virus. The scientific, medical and societal approcach to this is totally wrong. Life should go on and people who are sick, elderly and vulnerable should be advised to look after themselves if they wish.

WOW, all very interesting, and sensible!

Imagine you had no smartphone, no social media, no tv and you pottered around doing your daily routine. Imagine it was 1920. You wouldn't see or hear of any problem. There are no bodies on the streets. No mass graves. No teenagers in rude health suddenly collapsing completely unable to breathe.

We have been browbeaten and gaslighted into believing this is way more dangerous than it is. The politicians cant stick or twist until they have the panacea of a vaccine. They completely snookered themselves. Social media and the mainstream media has them by the short and curlies. Its a vicious circle of hysteria and over reaction. Click bait and then government pandering. It doesn't stand up to rudimentary back of a napkin scrutiny. The whole thing is a completely fraudulent misguided exercise. It will be a shocking episode of reeeling in the years in a decade or so when we look back on how we collectively lost our minds.

How well the government does now is solely indexed to covid policy. The numbers are read out each night like football scores.

Coupled with the fact that good faith conversation and debate has long since gone out of fashion and we are left with this circus. People obfuscating to win arguments online instead of actually getting into the weeds and trying to figure it out together. People who will ridicule and undermine your point because you said the median age was 84 instead of 83 rendering further discussion void.

I put 4 piss takers on ignore tonight because its simply not worth it.

There is no point entering into a conversation unless you are open to potentially having your mind changed too.

All we have is a load of people who want to say "GOTCHA"

TRANQUILLO · 22-10-2020 10:04PM

retro:electro wrote: »

There was a retired pathologist from the UK on Prime Time just now talking the height of sense. We need to do away with these infantilising lockdowns and make our own risk assessments. He said if it’s the case that your health service can’t cope then you need to invest more in your health service. How many years now have our hospitals been busting at the seams from September to March? Headline news every winter year in and year out yet nothing is ever done. We are being locked down and punished because we have a health service so fragile it cannot cope with the slightest bit of pressure. Businesses closed, people out of work and jobs permanently lost because our hospitals are non functional to begin with.

I got an 11k performance bonus in work in January 2020 for my work in 2019.
I was unemployed by May based on Government policy...(to be fair not just this countries policy). An industry that was in rude health arbitrarily condemned to the scrap heap.

Zebra3 · 22-10-2020 10:04PM

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

All we have is a load of people who want to say " GOTCHA"

And "granny killers".

And they're also the self-appointed spokespeople of The Vulnerable™.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-10-2020 10:06PM

An accurate portrayal of the grumpy ones? :P

https://twitter.com/NursepollyRgn/status/1313240560921083905

Rrrrrr2 · 22-10-2020 10:08PM

uli84 wrote: »

So why did they drop localised restrictions? Too complicated for them to manage, is it?
Making it easy for themselves or what?
Surely if the UK can manage, they should be able to master it here as well (?)

They dropped them because Dr hysterical was back on the scene and needed his ego massaged

TRANQUILLO · 22-10-2020 10:09PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

And "granny killers".

And they're also the self-appointed spokespeople of The Vulnerable™.

They seem to think that their ilk have a monopoly on old people as relatives too.

Those of us with a contrarian view to the media consensus are also fathers, sons ,sisters, daughters, tax payers, voters, charity supporters , organ donors, blood donors etc etc. Boards.ie does not have that many sociopaths posting in one forum at the same time. We are just normal people saying the facts and the narrative don't add up.

Its a stressful situation for us all but disingenuous point scoring and bad faith discourse will get us nowhere.

They have us pegged as sociopaths but we are just normal people.

22-10-2020 10:10PM

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

Imagine you had no smartphone, no social media, no tv and you pottered around doing your daily routine. Imagine it was 1920. You wouldn't see or hear of any problem. There are no bodies on the streets. No mass graves. No teenagers in rude health suddenly collapsing completely unable to breathe.

We have been browbeaten and gaslighted into believing this is way more dangerous than it is. The politicians cant stick or twist until they have the panacea of a vaccine. They completely snookered themselves. Social media and the mainstream media has them by the short and curlies. Its a vicious circle of hysteria and over reaction. Click bait and then government pandering. It doesn't stand up to rudimentary back of a napkin scrutiny. The whole thing is a completely fraudulent misguided exercise. It will be a shocking episode of reeeling in the years in a decade or so when we look back on how we collectively lost our minds.

How well the government does now is solely indexed to covid policy. The numbers are read out each night like football scores.

I put 4 piss takers on ignore tonight because its simply not worth it.

There is no point entering into a conversation unless you are open to potentially having your mind changed too.

All we have is a load of people who want to say " GOTCHA"

Yes I totally agree. When Covid started I used to post a lot, then it just became too agressive, all about point scoring and put downs rather than have an actual debate.

People are now brainwashed. However I think there is a slight turn in people now, this lockdown is hurting and we are not all in it together.
But what hope do we have if Tony Holohan is back on the Late Late (light entertainment!) show tomorrow night again?? We are fed a 24/7 diet of Covid day in day out...........now that has been extended to our Friday nights courtesy of our National Broadcaster and Ryan Tubridy. Its beyond belief. Covid is a national obsession.
Thankfully there are still a few people who want to debate it and I was very glad Prime Time covered this pretty well tonight. It was 3 against 1 on the panel.....(the one being long skinny Dr. Tom " Zero Covid Complete Lockdown" Ryan)

Zebra3 · 22-10-2020 10:13PM

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

They seem to think that their ilk have a monopoly on old people as relatives too.

Those of us with a contrarian view to the media consensus are also fathers, sons ,sisters, daughters, tax payers, voters, charity supporters , organ donors, blood donors etc etc. Boards.ie does not have that many sociopaths posting in one forum at the same time. We are just normal people saying the facts and the narrative don't add up.

Its a stressful situation for us all but disingenuous point scoring and bad faith discourse will get us nowhere.

They have us pegged as sociopaths bu we are just normal people.

Yep, my parents are in their 70s and one in particular is "vulnerable", but you'd swear by the head cases on here I'd just arrived in from the serial killer forum. :pac:

TRANQUILLO · 22-10-2020 10:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes I totally agree. When Covid started I used to post a lot, then it just became too agressive, all about point scoring and put downs rather than have an actual debate.

People are now brainwashed. However I think there is a slight turn in people now, this lockdown is hurting and we are not all in it together.
But what hope do we have if Tony Holohan is back on the Late Late (light entertainment!) show tomorrow night again?? We are fed a 24/7 diet of Covid day in day out...........now that has been extended to our Friday nights courtesy of our National Broadcaster and Ryan Tubridy. Its beyond belief. Covid is a national obsession.
Thankfully there are still a few people who want to debate it and I was very glad Prime Time covered this pretty well tonight. It was 3 against 1 on the panel.....(the one being long skinny Dr. Tom " Zero Covid Complete Lockdown" Ryan)

That Tomas Ryan fella was on the Eamon Dunphy podcast and he claimed to have never heard of Lionel Messi.

Either he is a liar or such an academic bookworm that he lives a cosseted sheltered lifestyle in the halls of trinners and all his opinions and rationale have become dogma to the detriment of having any " finger on the pulse" of the real world.

Rrrrrr2 · 22-10-2020 10:17PM

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

That Tomas Ryan fella was on the Eamon Dunphy podcast and he claimed to have never heard of Lionel Messi.

Either he is a liar or such an academic bookworm that he lives a cosseted sheltered lifestyle in the halls of trinners and all his opinions and rational have become dogma to the detriment of having any " finger on the pulse" of the real world.

Would hands down believe that having seen and listened to him. He's a geek with an accidental megaphone. I've not seen the likes of him since I was in the bowels of the UCD Science block.

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