Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

macrocycle_24 wrote: »

This lockdown is the ultimate lazy option, toss all responsibility onto Joe Public.
As quoted above, HSE get off the hook!

Why are NEPHET allowed to run the show, surely this lack of contact tracing shows that an emergency planning group would be better at organising what we need to deal with the problem.

Why shouldn't Joe Public take all the responsibility?

They are the ones with the most to lose.

Well we elect a government to act in the best interests of the people, it was OK to lockdown the first time as it was an exceptional situation, but 2nd time round it isn't unfair to ask that government put in place policy that acts in the interest of people to keep their jobs and be able to see their family.

https://cor.europa.eu/en/our-work/Pages/EURegionalBarometer-EconomyStory.aspx?utm_source=SharedLink&utm_medium=ShortURL&utm_campaign=EURegionalBarometerEconomy

An EU study into the lockdowns that happened and the effects.

The conclusion at the end says:

Policies to mitigate the effects of lockdowns, and to prevent future ones, should therefore be implemented at the local level.

SAMTALK wrote: »

Yes and I said anywhere near.

Your right about this time round. I'd imagine that's why level 5, because they know they're losing the public

Its done, its lost.

The vast majority will do the right thing, will wear masks, sanitise, keep social distance, limit visitors etc.

After that, nah it aint happening, the 5k limit is a waste of time, even the Guards dont want to police it.

I even see it in my own job, sector is deemed essential but they did lock down people within that sector the last time in certain jobs. That aint happening this time.

The last lock down was all about buying time to get our house in order, to increase capacity essentially to buy time which they the HSE and the Government completely squandered and of course deflected the entire blame on to joe public, and of course people lapped it up, no easier way to distract people than to have them blaming each other.

Ill be going to the beach saturday morning with the wife and kids for a walk weather permitting, further than 5k, wont be in contact with anyone, out in the fresh air.

If guards turn me back ill head elsewhere and so on.

If my wife can stand in from of 30 plus kids for 6 hours a day and be told she is safe and not a risk im pretty sure the 4 of us driving 12k for a walk on the beach on our own is pretty safe!

the kelt wrote: »

Its done, its lost.

The vast majority will do the right thing, will wear masks, sanitise, keep social distance, limit visitors etc.

After that, nah it aint happening, the 5k limit is a waste of time, even the Guards dont want to police it.

I even see it in my own job, sector is deemed essential but they did lock down people within that sector the last time in certain jobs. That aint happening this time.

The last lock down was all about buying time to get our house in order, to increase capacity essentially to buy time which they the HSE and the Government completely squandered and of course deflected the entire blame on to joe public, and of course people lapped it up, no easier way to distract people than to have them blaming each other.

Ill be going to the beach saturday morning with the wife and kids for a walk weather permitting, further than 5k, wont be in contact with anyone, out in the fresh air.

If guards turn me back ill head elsewhere and so on.

If my wife can stand in from of 30 plus kids for 6 hours a day and be told she is safe and not a risk im pretty sure the 4 of us driving 12k for a walk on the beach on our own is pretty safe!

The 5k thing is laughable, if I live in Dublin there are probably 500,000 people living within that 5k, if I live in rural Co. Clare there might be 50 people living within 5k, what matters is what you do when you get to your destination not how far you go in fairness. Of course we have to be treated like cattle and penned in, although 90% of us will use our own judgement about what is safe and what is stupid.

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

It’s basically the public service and professional class once again dumping down on the working class and small business. Using them as an easy scapegoat. I’ve never seen such a wedge being driven in Irish society- the next few weeks are going to be interesting in terms of push back which is going to be massive

I'm kinda surprised there hasn't been more kick-back from small business owners who've spent their lives building something and are now seeing it sacrificed on the later of hysteria and political cowardace.

Perhaps they are worried they'd be labeled selfish, granny-killers.

Penfailed wrote: »

Not sure why you quoted my response to someone talking about the 'great reset' to post this unconnected irrelevance. I'm assuming it was just a roundabout way of getting your repetitive and innaccurate 'police state' comment shoehorned in by any means necessary. Yeah...you got me to bite again *applause*

A member of the force will have the power to hand out fines using powers of presumption.

There is only one name for it

lets stay lockdown for 12 months , everyone stay at home , in ther room , glued to ther computer , ordering takeaways on our free money, curtain twitch to see if anyone is breaking the rules , report anyone (friends or family member) - dont excercise or go to a gym , get fat it doesn't seam to matter- we will definitly get the virus down to manageable numbers , but probably have forgotten how to live , run out of money - right now I'm beyond caring , the HSE/NPHET have full control and Martin is just shown up as another dreadful weak Fianna Fail leader , the last one bankrupt the country , never thought it could happen again, but I believe Martin is actually worse. Enjoy lockdown.

SAMTALK wrote: »

Have you forgotten during the last lockdown the videos of beaches / woods etc, the BBQ's , the GAA finals celebrations.
Yes the majority of people stuck to the restrictions but no way was it anywhere near 100 %.

Of course they got things wrong, the testing , the contact tracing but the attitude is F*** this I have enough and now I'm not doing anymore.

Im no fan of NPHET or the Government but if we all just go about our business as we did in January where do you think this will leave us.

I haven't forgotten any of that. Or the parties I could hear going on around me during the 6 weeks when I didn't see a single person I knew. I never said it was 100%.

But despite all that, we came out of it with as close to zero as we're going to get. We were averaging 20 cases a day in June.

All along the mantra was test and trace. But we didn't do that, despite the promises, and the numbers rose by a factor of 20, and now we are exactly back at square one. Except for those businesses already gone under and those that have taken enough of a hit that they'll go this time.

Mary Lou is calling for a "a ‘gold standard’ contract-tracing system that tracked down every close associate within 24 hours.". 24 hours is a bit optimistic, but that's pretty much what we were promised last time around. I've no idea why anybody would think we'll get it this time.

This lockdown won't make a blind bit of difference. If it ends before Christmas, people will go nuts, and I can't blame them. It if continues through Christmas, they'll go even more nuts whenever it does end. And then after a while numbers go back up, and we're back in another lockdown by March.

If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results, we're being run by lunatics.

Ironhead93 wrote: »

Seeing they managed to open up the gyms in Liverpool and now a few Irish gyms are doing the same. The people have had enough, love it.

Gym I use, which has been doing outdoor classes with us finished today.

Instead they are going to be doing classes online at home like the previous lockdown. Watch and join in on your tablet or smart tv.

For a very reasonable monthly fee you get sent the code to watch and participate in any one of three daily classes.. you can watch back if you need at any time.

For an extra fee they send you a nice gym bag... containing resistance bands and a good bit of other kit, It’s quite reasonable , I forget what exactly as i already have that stuff but thinking outside the box and being sensible, people have the ability to overcome and get on even with restrictions while being safe, legal and sensible.

Then again, I see in an article an owner of a private gym, complaining that gyms are being closed and fast food places are remaining open.. the tube head clawing at the walls claiming he can’t understand it, so unfair etc... .that’s the kind of knucklehead knuckle-dragging that you are up against... if my cooker goes tomorrow I need to eat some cooked food.... could be a while getting parts and an electrician.. or it’s not convenient to cook, my chipper takes phone orders, pay with card, he / she rings my doorbell, waits to see me open it, job done..

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

A member of the force will have the power to hand out fines using powers of presumption.

There is only one name for it

There's loads of names for it. Police state isn't one of them. Seriously. Do yourself a favour and look up the definition of a police state. You're either misunderstanding the meaning or you're being obtuse. Which is it?

Trying to settle argument here. Currently all the kids allowed out playing on the road. After tonight some are being kept in and not allowed go out due to the restrictions. What's the official rules now and after midnight regarding kids playing on the road/field outside?

Strumms wrote: »

Rubbish?

I’d say doctors, nurses, carers, virologists, lab technicians, and so on would certainly appreciate you telling them that to their faces.

Most of these had never heard of lockdown before March - maybe some virologists had.

If they now have an emotional investment in the theories about causality and locking down that's fine but it doesn't make them the final arbiters of all our lives.