Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Lundstram

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

The only people getting conned are the people who actually care about others and have been trying to live life to help limit the spread and not end up in a situation where repeated lockdowns are necessary. Your posts here have shown over and over that you are part of a group of people who are at the route of the problem. That will never sink in for the likes of you because you have also repeatedly shown with your posts that you don't have two brain cells to rub together.

I care more about 99.5% of the population than 0.5%.

Poland today had well over 10k cases, that is almost double our 7 day average per capita, they are far looser with restrictions than us. That country is just one example. There is many more. Portugal similar.

The likes of you wail at people for trying to live a normal life, what is expected of us is inhumane and unnatural. We are a social species, you can moan and cry all you want, people will still break these stupid rules no matter what. You know why? Because they're human.

I'm sorry that not all of us are sheep that bow down to every request from our gracious leaders. They're not exactly covering themselves in glory.

You can insult me all you want, I see from your recent posts that's a bit of a hobbie for you.

WhiteMemento9

Lads did you even bother to read the context of the post that is quoted. It is taken from woe is us post about how we already have the most restrictive measure in Europe and despite that, we are moving to an even more restrictive lockdown. Well, when the numbers don't fall that is generally what happens.

As for the completely idiotic posts about religions etc. Yeah, I guess the first lockdown just magically coincidence with a dramatic fall in cases. One has nothing to do with the other.

froog

Lundstram wrote: »

I care more about 99.5% of the population than 0.5%.

Poland today had well over 10k cases, that is almost double our 7 day average per capita, they are far looser with restrictions than us. That country is just one example. There is many more. Portugal similar.

The likes of you wail at people for trying to live a normal life, what is expected of us is inhumane and unnatural. We are a social species, you can moan and cry all you want, people will still break these stupid rules no matter what. You know why? Because they're human.

I'm sorry that not all of us are sheep that bow down to every request from our gracious leaders. They're not exactly covering themselves in glory.

You can insult me all you want, I see from your recent posts that's a bit of a hobbie for you.

yeah poland's doing great.

MelbourneMan

Happydays2020 wrote: »

It depends. If you have a very densely populated area then you are keeping more people within that 5km limit. We saw this back in May. The modelling is not quite as robust as Tony would have you believe. I understand the logic but it is not "very clear or robust".

The key measures are social distance, avoiding crowded indoor places with poor ventilation and hand washing.

You are correct that the effectiveness depends on the population density, but this value is effectively a constant. The key is to reduce the opportunity for people to encounter other people. The decision on what measure to do that to a given extent while minimising social and economic costs is a political one.

WhiteMemento9

Lundstram wrote: »

I care more about 99.5% of the population than 0.5%.

Poland today had well over 10k cases, that is almost double our 7 day average per capita, they are far looser with restrictions than us. That country is just one example. There is many more. Portugal similar.

The likes of you wail at people for trying to live a normal life, what is expected of us is inhumane and unnatural. We are a social species, you can moan and cry all you want, people will still break these stupid rules no matter what. You know why? Because they're human.

I'm sorry that not all of us are sheep that bow down to every request from our gracious leaders. They're not exactly covering themselves in glory.

You can insult me all you want, I see from your recent posts that's a bit of a hobbie for you.

I mean is this even a serious post. The bolded bit is just insane logic.

A rapist would argue they are sexual creatures and it is in their nature. I guess they should ignore those rules things too.

MelbourneMan

MelbourneMan wrote: »

You are correct that the effectiveness depends on the population density, but this value is effectively a constant. The key is to reduce the opportunity for people to encounter other people. The decision on what measure to do that to a given extent while minimising social and economic costs is a political one.

I can add that while it popped up first in jest, and that despite a genuine truth behind it being immediately recognised, it having to be discounted as a measure due to the optics, the cost-benefit of funding free Netflix for everyone would nevertheless have been a very effective measure.

bucketybuck

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

I mean is this even a serious post. The bolded bit is just insane logic.

A rapist would argue they are sexual creatures and it is in their nature. I guess they should ignore those rules things too.

Rules like a dying man isn't allowed to have his wife of 70 years sit with him through his last moments?

You equate that to a rapist?

Lundstram

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

A rapist would argue they are sexual creatures and it is in their nature. I guess they should ignore those rules things too.

I really hope you're trolling.

If not, seek help.

WhiteMemento9

bucketybuck wrote: »

Rules like a dying man isn't allowed to have his wife of 70 years sit with him through his last moments?

You equate that to a rapist?

Yes, that is what I said.

walus

froog wrote: »

yeah poland's doing great.

The virus is going through the vulnerable part of the population. It will take its toll where it didn’t yet.

dalyboy

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Lads did you even bother to read the context of the post that is quoted. It is taken from woe is us post about how we already have the most restrictive measure in Europe and despite that, we are moving to an even more restrictive lockdown. Well, when the numbers don't fall that is generally what happens.

As for the completely idiotic posts about religions etc. Yeah, I guess the first lockdown just magically coincidence with a dramatic fall in cases. One has nothing to do with the other.

OR
The virus had already run its 6 month seasonal course from December 2019 to June 2020 and was always going to result in lower numbers at the end of our summer lockdown.
One things for sure though , the government and NPHET are certainly going with your little narrative.

Cause and effect has not been established here as we have no control group to base our study on . End of

uli84

froog wrote: »

yeah poland's doing great.

You misunderstood the post, someone is saying it’s not doing great yet they are not panicking like it’s the end of the world because it isn’t. They try to look beyond covid and fair enough as other stuff is worse than that and affect the rest of the population. I just cannot stand how one-sided everything is in here.

froog

walus wrote: »

The virus is going through the vulnerable part of the population. It will take its toll where it didn’t yet.

ah it's only the vulnerable? that's grand so.

froog

once again, where did this myth come from that ireland is the only country in the world that experiences anxiety over covid?

utterly ridiculous.

LessOutragePlz

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

I mean is this even a serious post. The bolded bit is just insane logic.

A rapist would argue they are sexual creatures and it is in their nature. I guess they should ignore those rules things too.

Disgusting post I thought the pro lockdown brigade couldn't stoop any lower but here we are.

You've scrapped the bottom of the barrel so much that you've gone through it.

WhiteMemento9

dalyboy wrote: »

OR
The virus had already run its 6 month seasonal course from December 2019 to June 2020 and was always going to result in lower numbers at the end of our summer lockdown.
One things for sure though , the government and NPHET are certainly going with your little narrative.

Cause and effect has not been established here as we have no control group to base our study on . End of

Idbatterim

SAMTALK wrote: »

The right thing to keep my elderly parents safe.

The right thing to try and keep economy going

So you say its bull**** so therefore it's bull**** ?

Are you saying you know more than the Government and NPHET

Yes im saying i and hundreds of thousands here in irelamd are right. Im saying i agree with many of the foreign news outlets who question all this bull****. I have read tens of thousands of posts and opinions on the situation, i have a serious issue with the way its been handled here. Relying on the irish media and its bubble, is a farce! You couldnt totally right off lockdowns etc, because properly run countries with proper healthcare systems are also following the lockdown path.

KennisWhale

The_Dazzler wrote: »

Income tax and USC (I imagine the public sector will be hit hard) are going to increase but hopefully with the steps we taking with the lockdown, it means that we can recover a bit faster than previous recession.

Spending cuts will come over tax increases, particularly income tax increases. The government know they already have SF waiting to step in for a majority of they don't fix housing/taxes for the squeezed middle.

350 a week pup will go down to your basic dole in a few months, that will save us money straight away. The health service will have to figure how how to make cuts in the post-crisis part of the pandemic. The money for rent supports will have to be cut as it is not sustainable for a housing budget in the billions which goes to private landlords.

Combine these cuts with economic stimulation like Vat cuts for tourism, staycation, getting the house building and infrastructure projects needed their investment and there are the green shoots for your recovery.

KennisWhale

The_Dazzler wrote: »

Income tax and USC (I imagine the public sector will be hit hard) are going to increase but hopefully with the steps we taking with the lockdown, it means that we can recover a bit faster than previous recession.

Spending cuts will come over tax increases, particularly income tax increases. The government know they already have SF waiting to step in for a majority of they don't fix housing/taxes for the squeezed middle.

350 a week pup will go down to your basic dole in a few months, that will save us money straight away. The health service will have to figure how how to make cuts in the post-crisis part of the pandemic. The money for rent supports will have to be cut as it is not sustainable for a housing budget in the billions which goes to private landlords.

Combine these cuts with economic stimulation like Vat cuts for tourism, staycation tax backs, getting the house building and infrastructure projects needed their investment and there are the green shoots for your recovery.

dalyboy

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Ahh ... , you look adorable in your picture (if a little confused)

I know my response went way over your head

It’s ok ok , there there now.

Have another read of my reply and look up the big words like “cause” and “effect”

Riiiiiight !

Rrrrrr2

dalyboy wrote: »

OR
The virus had already run its 6 month seasonal course from December 2019 to June 2020 and was always going to result in lower numbers at the end of our summer lockdown.
One things for sure though , the government and NPHET are certainly going with your little narrative.

Cause and effect has not been established here as we have no control group to base our study on . End of

Indeed- there’s no evidence bar a very sketchy coincidence to back that posters assertion. The link is ropey at best.
I’ve a feeling cases will rise or stay at the same level during this latest lockdown for to the seasonal nature of a respiratory virus and the circumstances they love

Poorside

Idbatterim wrote: »

Yes im saying i and hundreds of thousands here in irelamd are right. Im saying i agree with many of the foreign news outlets who question all this bull****. I have read tens of thousands of posts and opinions on the situation, i have a serious issue with the way its been handled here. Relying on the irish media and its bubble, is a farce! You couldnt totally right off lockdowns etc, because properly run countries with proper healthcare systems are also following the lockdown path.

So you've read thousands of posts and opinions, how many scientific papers have you read?

dalyboy

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Indeed- there’s no evidence bar a very sketchy coincidence to back that posters assertion. The link is ropey at best.
I’ve a feeling cases will rise or stay at the same level during this latest lockdown for to the seasonal nature of a respiratory virus and the circumstances they love

Exactly , and the game is hilariously rigged against the public.

The cases go down the government / NPHET can claim success in the reductions or they go up they can scapegoat the canon fodder public.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

Rules like a dying man isn't allowed to have his wife of 70 years sit with him through his last moments?

You equate that to a rapist?

It’s not true though, I know for a fact that we had a relation die in hospital in the last lockdown and was allowed someone by their side also a health care worker responded to your previous post on this questioning your statement since they were permitting one visitor.

You also failed to respond to my post in which I highlighted that even if we went this route all the ani-restrictions posters are calling for where we open up and protect the vulnerable then hospitals would have to be even more restricted than they are now.

walus

walus wrote: »

The virus is going through the vulnerable part of the population. It will take its toll where it didn’t yet.

You just throw that out there like it’s killing a few flies. How about they try to stop the spread and protect the vulnerable. What a disgusting attitude.

uli84 wrote: »

You misunderstood the post, someone is saying it’s not doing great yet they are not panicking like it’s the end of the world because it isn’t. They try to look beyond covid and fair enough as other stuff is worse than that and affect the rest of the population. I just cannot stand how one-sided everything is in here.

Maybe they should be panicking?

People making the argument that other places in Europe are more open while makings sh1t job managing the virus and needlessly killing their citizens and then say we should do the same?

Talk about illogical brain dead nonsense. They are a very good advertisement for why opening up is a terrible idea.

Lundstram

How about the vulnerable protect themselves and let the rest of us live our lives. Why lock up everyone?

No deaths today in Sweden. No lockdown. They were told by their government to take personal responsibility. Smart people.

Ireland has to be nannied.

Italy had it highest case total today since it began. No lockdown. Crowds at the Giro Italia earlier. These countries are moving on. Ireland is still stuck in March.

Idbatterim

Lundstram wrote: »

How about the vulnerable protect themselves and let the rest of us live our lives. Why lock up everyone?

No deaths today in Sweden. No lockdown. They were told by their government to take personal responsibility. Smart people.

Ireland has to be nannied.

Italy had it highest case total today since it began. No lockdown. Crowds at the Giro Italia earlier. These countries are moving on. Ireland is still stuck in March.

Because it wouldnt be fair to the hypocrites. Lock the majority up, many of this majority paying to keep the lights on in the country, so a few percent of the population, dont have their feelings hurt ...

Idbatterim

Poorside wrote: »

So you've read thousands of posts and opinions, how many scientific papers have you read?

What genius suggestions have the scientific papers cone up with ? Cant be much im assumimg, unless government ignoring them

Real Donald Trump

I see that Ryan Tubridy is urging people to ditch Amazon this Christmas and to support local businesses. I dont think he realises that some of these small businesses may not be around by then or even allowed too open if they are. This coming from the same guy who has been scaring people for weeks and has a hard on for restrictions. ****ing gimp!

Quantum Erasure

dalyboy wrote: »

Exactly , and the game is hilariously rigged against the public.

The cases go down the government / NPHET can claim success in the reductions or they go up they can scapegoat the canon fodder public.

Wooosh