Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

bear1 · 19-10-2020 09:00PM

So, is pennys closed then?
Must admire the government, ineptitude is quite a feat.
I'd love to know what the full cost of this it will be? How many lives ruined?
I'm waiting for flights to be grounded again.

Kermit.de.frog · 19-10-2020 09:01PM

Give us hope Micheál

walus · 19-10-2020 09:03PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/grahamneary/status/1318262666322993152?s=21

Is this true? That the forecast models NPHET are using aren’t taking T cell immunity into consideration and assuming just 1.7% of us got infected in wave one? Also assuming that they only missed 2/3 cases in April. What huge assumptions to make. More dubious evidence provided to justify this farce.

I suppose they don’t deal with factors that they cannot put the actual precise figure on. Just like the pro lockdown crowd here who come up with 3% death rate.

They are modeling for the worst case scenario, knowing damn well that is a major simplification of the real thing. We are paying the price, yet they cannot be proven wrong. Easy job to be in.

Cirrus Incus · 19-10-2020 09:03PM

walus wrote: »

Would you say that it is possible that HSE are and have been sandbagging admissions fir some time now? Making the case that ICUs would be well occupied so that the government takes action now?

There's a massive back log of clinics and surgeries to be done. Breast cancer screening program still hasn't got back to full capacity for example. Patients are now presenting with symptomatic breast cancer that would normally have been detected earlier. If the hospitals get clogged with COVID patients, then all these cancer cases will be pushed back further.

FintanMcluskey · 19-10-2020 09:05PM

We “may” go to 10km from home in mid November if we are good

Yes result

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 09:06PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Sorry wasn’t clear - have a reasonable knowledge of herd immunity and reading more ongoing - interested in how you and some others with similar opinions arrive at them.

So if a vaccine may not prevent infections, where are we then?

Transmission will be same as now will it not?

Herd immunity would require anything between 60-80% of a population having immunity.
We do not know if these first vaccine will provide immunity, but if they can reduce the symptoms to the level of a cold or even a flu, they would be a major help in reducing severe symptoms and deaths.

Captain_Crash · 19-10-2020 09:06PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/grahamneary/status/1318262666322993152?s=21

Is this true? That the forecast models NPHET are using aren’t taking T cell immunity into consideration and assuming just 1.7% of us got infected in wave one? Also assuming that they only missed 2/3 cases in April. What huge assumptions to make. More dubious evidence provided to justify this farce.

Just read that thread! F**king shocking if true! Astounding negligence.... I’m actually horrified at the data they did not consider when discussing these restrictions! In a way I hope it’s not true because if it is it’s a new level of stupidity found inside government buildings

pconn062 · 19-10-2020 09:06PM

I run a business that is deemed unessential according to the government.

I won't be closing, I did the first time but not this time. Can't afford it, simple as.

walus · 19-10-2020 09:07PM

Cirrus Incus wrote: »

There's a massive back log of clinics and surgeries to be done. Breast cancer screening program still hasn't got back to full capacity for example. Patients are now presenting with symptomatic breast cancer that would normally have been detected earlier. If the hospitals get clogged with COVID patients, then all these cancer cases will be pushed back further.

So we are locking down due to the negative effects of the first lockdown. It’s like drinking again to kill off the hangover. Christ. One more and we will develop an addiction.

hynesie08 · 19-10-2020 09:07PM

Michael Martin calling out noxy there.....

PTH2009 · 19-10-2020 09:08PM

jesus wept

FintanMcluskey · 19-10-2020 09:09PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Herd immunity would require anything between 60-80% of a population having immunity.
We do not know if these first vaccine will provide immunity, but if they can reduce the symptoms to the level of a cold or even a flu, they would be a major help in reducing severe symptoms and deaths.

Lot of ifs here Charlie

uli84 · 19-10-2020 09:10PM

What a farce

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 09:10PM

walus wrote: »

charlie14 wrote: »

Don’t worry about it. Take a pill. Anxiety will go away.

So absolute waffle from someone that calls someone else a waffler.
Why ask questions ?
Just for the crack of knocking any answers when you do not have a single answer to anything you yourself are asked?

uli84 · 19-10-2020 09:14PM

Looking forward to breaking all of those restrictions

something to keep me busy those boring days that are coming

walus · 19-10-2020 09:14PM

charlie14 wrote: »

walus wrote: »

So absolute waffle from someone that calls someone else a waffler.
Why ask questions ?
Just for the crack of knocking any answers when you do not have a single answer to anything you yourself are asked?

Charlie14, I simply do not have time for waffle. Time and time again you are avoiding answering simple questions. You either have an opinion or not, and say so. Cop outs is all you do.

Rrrrrr2 · 19-10-2020 09:15PM

pconn062 wrote: »

I run a business that is deemed unessential according to the government.

I won't be closing, I did the first time but not this time. Can't afford it, simple as.

Good for you- I'd love to support if I can. Seen a good few of you on social media- "My livelihood is essential to me therefore I will not be closing"- hear hear. Go for it guys- there's a hell of a lot of us right behind you. Comes a time when you stand up for yourself and not be steamrolled over by autocrats. That time has well passed

RobitTV · 19-10-2020 09:15PM

That speech was an absolute piece of utter drivel. Back to the Christmas threats again....

Today is a dark day for this nation. Shameful propaganda that is being based on eternal fear.

sporina · 19-10-2020 09:16PM

are gyms closed???? if so - thats bad.. its friggin winter!!!! people NEED exercise for health - mental and physical

dalyboy · 19-10-2020 09:17PM

He says we will reopen again on the “1st December”

Note that he never said if that was 2020 or 2021 !

19-10-2020 09:18PM

this is utter ****e, utter crap and I am sickened.
My daughter is 8 months pregnant, she returned home from Canada in July. She is living under extreme pressure with a toddler in her in-laws. They have all had Covid and the toddler ended up in hospital. She is exhausted. I badly need to support her in her last weeks of pregnancy and when her baby is born. They are trying to rent a garage from a neighbour next week to get some space of their own.
She is on the phone crying just now, wishing she had stayed in Canada. She is absolutely distraught at these new restrictions. God what a ****ing country this is. 6 ****ing weeks of this, it feels like punishment. She cant come to me, I cant go to her. I feel sick for them being stuck here now in this ****hole

Sam Hain · 19-10-2020 09:18PM

sporina wrote: »

are gyms closed???? if so - thats bad.. its friggin winter!!!! people NEED exercise for health - mental and physical

Exercise outside.

Rrrrrr2 · 19-10-2020 09:19PM

RobitTV wrote: »

That speech was an absolute piece of utter drivel. Back to the Christmas threats again....

Today is a dark day for this nation. Shameful propaganda that is being based on eternal fear.

Didn't watch it myself (I wouldn't sut them) and quite frankly not interested- how many times have we heard this self same rubbish over and over?

normanoffside · 19-10-2020 09:23PM

Mehole says if we dig deep we can save Christmas.

uli84 · 19-10-2020 09:24PM

dalyboy wrote: »

He says we will reopen again on the “1st December”

Note that he never said if that was 2020 or 2021 !

Hahhah, why 1st of December, why not 1st of January for example?

19-10-2020 09:24PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Michael Martin calling out noxy there.....

And called out a large number of other posters soon after and with less respect for the opinion.

uli84 · 19-10-2020 09:26PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

this is utter ****e, utter crap and I am sickened.
My daughter is 8 months pregnant, she returned home from Canada in July. She is living under extreme pressure with a toddler in her in-laws. They have all had Covid and the toddler ended up in hospital. She is exhausted. I badly need to support her in her last weeks of pregnancy and when her baby is born. They are trying to rent a garage from a neighbour next week to get some space of their own.
She is on the phone crying just now, wishing she had stayed in Canada. She is absolutely distraught at these new restrictions. God what a ****ing country this is. 6 ****ing weeks of this, it feels like punishment. She cant come to me, I cant go to her. I feel sick for them being stuck here now in this ****hole

Just ignore all this ****e they are imposing for no good reason

Sawduck · 19-10-2020 09:26PM

He didn't mention nothing about people getting fines for travelling more than 5km

CruelSummer · 19-10-2020 09:28PM

George Lee couldn’t help himself with his ‘NPHET said we should’ve done this two weeks ago’.
Eh no - judging by the statistics you just gave us re the 6 week lockdown and reopening in some shape or form for December, we just about get to mid January, if even before cases go up again. I think George doesn’t understand some of the data he spouts...

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 09:28PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Lot of ifs here Charlie

Sounds as if you know for definite what these vaccines will do Fintan.
Very mean of you not to share.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings