Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Galadriel · 19-10-2020 08:27PM

Has anyone got any more information on the 'extended bubble' crap being mentioned by the media today? like who, what, where and when kind a thing.

PTH2009 · 19-10-2020 08:28PM

will there be a review 3/4 weeks in ???

will there **** and its crazy 6 weeks minimum

walus · 19-10-2020 08:28PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I already told you what I believed the level of immunity was.
As to herd immunity, do you believe it is possible to be a little bit pregnant ?
From my previous answer to your question it appears you do

Sorry, I messed up the editing before posting. What did you say was the immunity level again?

Real Donald Trump · 19-10-2020 08:29PM

Sawduck wrote: »

How much will the fines be

Bout 3 fiddy

Stormyteacup · 19-10-2020 08:31PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I already told you what I believed the level of immunity was.
As to herd immunity, do you believe it is possible to be a little bit pregnant ?
From my previous answer to your question it appears you do

I’m genuinely interested in how you view transmissions and infections - might give insight into the baffling views I hear from a few people every day.

So herd immunity means total immunity for all?

No one is infected ever again?

Herd immunity is a terrible term for the phenomenon, it might help to think of it as herd protection.

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 08:31PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

So you agree it meets the definition but doesn’t mean that’s what it means??? Are you sure you even know the definition of the word definition Charlie?

Stop nit picking on a medical definition.
What practical use has it in real terms if you can still become infected and in turn infect others

Penfailed · 19-10-2020 08:31PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

And does that approach sound logical or sustainable to you?

It sounds logical in the absence of an alternative. It doesn't sound sustainable as I implied in my post.

Stormyteacup · 19-10-2020 08:33PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Stop nit picking on a medical definition.
What practical use has it in real terms if you can still become infected and in turn infect others

And where does a vaccine that may not prevent infections but reduces the more serious symptoms in some fit in?

Penfailed · 19-10-2020 08:33PM

darconio wrote: »

Don't lockdown?

You refer to "the problem": what is/was the problem?
0 death today?
ICU at normal capacity?

The 'problem' is that Covid thing that's doing the rounds. Maybe you've heard about it...

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 08:34PM

walus wrote: »

Sorry, I messed up the editing before posting. What did you say was the immunity level again?[/QUOT

Somewhere between 0 and makes little difference.

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 08:36PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

And where does a vaccine that may not prevent infections but reduces the more serious symptoms in some fit in?

Where in that does it imply immunity from infection ?

greengrass88 · 19-10-2020 08:36PM

So you cant be fined for travelling beyond the 5km limit until midnight on Wednesday?

Multipass · 19-10-2020 08:37PM

greengrass88 wrote: »

So you cant be fined for travelling beyond the 5km limit until midnight on Wednesday?

Time to prepare an alibi

19-10-2020 08:39PM

If the government and NPHET really feel this lockdown is necessary, they should go on the PUP payment for the duration of it as a show of solidarity.

Will they do that? Will they f*ck!

Hard for to understand how they can sleep at night with all the blood on their hands.

Penfailed · 19-10-2020 08:40PM

Zardoz wrote: »

Why didn't they create extra ICU beds ?
They had 7 months to plan for this and they did nothing .
30 extra ICU beds is all they could muster, Sweden doubled their capacity in 3 weeks.
Its shambolic.

Why are you asking me?

I agree, it's shambolic.

19-10-2020 08:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If the government and NPHET really feel this lockdown is necessary, they should go on the PUP payment for the duration of it as a show of solidarity.

Will they do that? Will they f*ck!

Hard for to understand how they can sleep at night with all the blood on their hands.

Idiotic suggestion.

You are absolutely obsessed with this stuff, nearly every post is the same stuff.

walus · 19-10-2020 08:42PM

charlie14 wrote: »

walus wrote: »

Sorry, I messed up the editing before posting. What did you say was the immunity level again?[/QUOT

Somewhere between 0 and makes little difference.

Just as I expected. Another crap reply. Waffle you can, indeed.

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 08:45PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

I’m genuinely interested in how you view transmissions and infections - might give insight into the baffling views I hear from a few people every day.

So herd immunity means total immunity for all?

No one is infected ever again?

Herd immunity is a terrible term for the phenomenon, it might help to think of it as herd protection.

I really do not believe you are that interested. If you were you would know that any of the modelling figures on herd immunity have been miles out and the one example of where it was claimed the figures stacked up the bottom fell out of bucket within 3 days due to rising numbers.
If you did not know, then you do now.

funnydoggy · 19-10-2020 08:46PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Idiotic suggestion.

You are absolutely obsessed with this stuff, nearly every post is the same stuff.

I thought you'd be delighted with the news nox, why the insults?

Penfailed · 19-10-2020 08:46PM

Some_Person wrote: »

The "5km rule" is hilarious, supermarkets are well beyond 5km distance for those in rural areas.

You obviously don't know what the rule is then.

MelbourneMan · 19-10-2020 08:46PM

faceman wrote: »

What studies are you basing your hypothesis on?

My non medical education would lean me towards agreeing with you, but Id like to see studies on this. Studies where it has been attempted and what the results were. M

While you are a confident and assertive poster, who makes interesting points, I've yet to see you post any resources to back up your claims in the forum. I asked you in a separate thread about one such matter but you didnt reply.

Of course you're under no obligation to, and for all we know you could be Tony Holohan himself. But its an observation.

Hello, and sorry for the delay in replying. I must confess to getting through only a small fraction of the postings here.

Your question is a reasonable one, and there is in fact very little evidence based research on it, as it tends to be dismissed very early in any strategy discussions by those who have given it serious consideration. The following article outlines some of the issues involved, though I am not familiar with the work of the authors.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/29/shielding-impossible-coronavirus-testing-and-tracing

greengrass88 · 19-10-2020 08:49PM

Multipass wrote: »

Time to prepare an alibi

Considering leaving Dublin for the duration of this lockdown but have to go into work first on wednesday morning....dont wanna risk a fine!

FYI to the lockdowners...There will be no grannies killed due to my travels

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 08:50PM

walus wrote: »

charlie14 wrote: »

Just as I expected. Another crap reply. Waffle you can, indeed.

Care to supply your figures and how they were calculated.
If you can do that then you will be a world first if you get it right.
If you cannot then who is waffling ?

PTH2009 · 19-10-2020 08:51PM

**** or bust this time

If lockdown doesnt work then back to the drawing board

All this to protect the busy hospitals who will be overun ?? were they overrun the last time oh wait

Penfailed · 19-10-2020 08:52PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I don’t think they had a first. They had restrictions yeah but an actual lockdown I don’t think was implemented. Happy to be corrected tho.

They even had a five mile radius restriction the first time around.

Stormyteacup · 19-10-2020 08:54PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I really do not believe you are that interested. If you were you would know that any of the modelling figures on herd immunity have been miles out and the one example of where it was claimed the figures stacked up the bottom fell out of bucket within 3 days due to rising numbers.
If you did not know, then you do now.

Sorry wasn’t clear - have a reasonable knowledge of herd immunity and reading more ongoing - interested in how you and some others with similar opinions arrive at them.

So if a vaccine may not prevent infections, where are we then?

Transmission will be same as now will it not?

CruelSummer · 19-10-2020 08:54PM

https://twitter.com/grahamneary/status/1318262666322993152?s=21

Is this true? That the forecast models NPHET are using aren’t taking T cell immunity into consideration and assuming just 1.7% of us got infected in wave one? Also assuming that they only missed 2/3 cases in April. What huge assumptions to make. More dubious evidence provided to justify this farce.

19-10-2020 08:55PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

I thought you'd be delighted with the news nox, why the insults?

You know it’s possible to understand the necessity of it and not be delighted that it has to happen. But it’s people, a number of them posting here who had no respected for the restrictions that has landed us here and they need to look in the mirror when they are looking for someone to blame for job losses etc.

walus · 19-10-2020 08:55PM

charlie14 wrote: »

walus wrote: »

Care to supply your figures and how they were calculated.
If you can do that then you will be a world first if you get it right.
If you cannot then who is waffling ?

Don’t worry about it. Take a pill. Anxiety will go away.

Zebra3 · 19-10-2020 08:57PM

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings