Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

PTH2009 · 19-10-2020 06:36PM

This has to be it and no more lockdowns after this, no more. This is crazy and pure kicking the can down the road. Numbers could go down and we open up and then Jan 2021 they go up again repeat Lockdown 3 and so on

Only upside for some people is the covid payment (im making more on it) but you're essentially been locked away and cant go out too spend it. Only difference between Lockdown 1 and 2 is sport will take place. Something exciting i suppose

These new restrictions go up to the 1st Dec and no way in hell will they lift them to large extent and let us enjoy christmas. I can't imagine the stress families are/will be going through in regards Christmas shopping/ dinner prep etc

Jesus wtf is gone wrong with this nation :mad::mad::mad::(

SusieBlue · 19-10-2020 06:38PM

Zardoz wrote: »

I'm strongly against the lockdown but I honestly couldn't give a damn about Christmas .
Its a horribly over commercialised load of rubbish.
Lets strip it back to its proper meaning .

People will find it very hard to enjoy a stripped back version of Christmas if they are out of work and can’t afford their rent, let alone presents for their kids, and if none of us are allowed to mix with loved ones and friends in other households.
It will be an absolutely grim Christmas if we are at level 5 restrictions for it.
We won’t even be able to go more than 5km from home for a family walk, let alone going to see Santa with the children, catching up with friends over coffee or having family over for dinner.

All of those things are what make Christmas, if we are at level 5 we won’t be able to do any of them, and after a year of isolation, loneliness and separation that will be very hard to take for a lot of people.

Multipass · 19-10-2020 06:39PM

charlie14 wrote: »

They did, but for cervical check appointments only 10% turned up. Same across the board apparently.
Does that not call into question the rational of those who are calling for all such services to remain at the same level during a crises with regards to the effective use of resources.

Yeah I take those figures with a heap of salt. Having experience with that service, my estimate would be that more than 50% didn’t ‘turn up’ because of gross clerical incompetance.

facehugger99 · 19-10-2020 06:40PM

Zero deaths today - you couldn't make it up.

Introducing a track and trace system, increasing ICU capacity, reforming the health service - too hard. Just introduce another hard lockdown, blame everyone for becoming too complacent and hope they don't start to question what those in charge have actually been doing for the last 7 months.

gmisk · 19-10-2020 06:41PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

People will find it very hard to enjoy a stripped back version of Christmas if they are out of work and can’t afford their rent, let alone presents for their kids, and if none of us are allowed to mix with loved ones and friends in other households.
It will be an absolutely grim Christmas if we are at level 5 restrictions for it.
We won’t even be able to go more than 5km from home for a family walk, let alone going to see Santa with the children, catching up with friends over coffee or having family over for dinner.

All of those things are what make Christmas, if we are at level 5 we won’t be able to do any of them, and after a year of isolation, loneliness and separation that will be very hard to take for a lot of people.

People will not keep to 5km it's just not realistic at Christmas.
I have kept to the guidelines up to now to the letter.

I will be going home for Christmas regardless people need to see their families at some stage! I have seen my folks a grand total of twice this year.

Johnboy1951 · 19-10-2020 06:48PM

So they finally managed to increase their testing numbers and now use the results of those tests to highlight the huge positive numbers.
The only thing of note is the manner in which the numbers are used.

Why not highlight the numbers in ICU, and compare them to the average of the last 5 years or so for the same period?

Easy answer to that one - there is very little difference in the ICU numbers.
There is a very small difference in the death rate for the comparative periods.

Yet we have all this scare-mongering from officialdom and the lockdowns and resultant damage to the economy and most particularly to a huge percentage of the population who are being restricted in their movements and earning potential.

While I am not seriously mentally affected by the lockdown requirements, I am mentally affected by the absence of logic that is being used to introduce the lockdown.

As I posted previously, if some of those € billions were used to improve our health system we would have little or no fear of it being overrun this Winter.

An opportunity lost ..... again!

Thank you politicians of all colours!

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 06:49PM

Multipass wrote: »

Yeah I take those figures with a heap of salt. Having experience with that service, my estimate would be that more than 50% didn’t ‘turn up’ because of gross clerical I competance.

Well that is the figure for cervical check and from reports it has been the same over all screening services. Reason looks to be more to do with people worrying about picking up this virus than anything to do with incompetence.

Either way does it make sense to still devote 100% of the usual resources if only 10% of those given appointments are going to turn up ?

Multipass · 19-10-2020 06:49PM

I’m just hoping we don’t have a repeat of the closing of car parks near woods. Because walking in fresh air is soooo dangerous now. I feel like I’m trapped living in an asylum at this stage, will have to stay away from the news.

walus · 19-10-2020 06:50PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And so on the day the country announces another massively damaging (and not just economically) lockdown, we have... Zero deaths.

But we have been assured that the deaths are coming, right Hmmm? Would you mind telling us when?

Multipass · 19-10-2020 06:51PM

walus wrote: »

But we have been assured that the deaths are coming, right Hmmm? Would you mind telling us when?

Never, because the lockdown saved us. They can’t lose.

19-10-2020 06:55PM

faceman wrote: »

"The next six weeks are critical" :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Absolute shambles. Well, forget the 'living with covid' plan, its been ripped up. Any shred of integrity that was left is truly gone.

The only country in Europe to go in to a second lockdown.

The divide and conquer campaign is in full swing - that article of the guy who had travelled and had symptoms is diverting attention from government failures. The noise from the teacher is deflecting from government failures.

I really wonder who is pro lockdown on these polls, no doubt government shills giving their input. Most people I speak with are not supportive of a lockdown. Even hardliners want to see a plan and what success looks like before they would accept it.

This wont end well.

Well the UK are literally doing it too as we speak so why lie?

There will be more following too.

Thierry12 · 19-10-2020 06:55PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Why not highlight the numbers in ICU, and compare them to the average of the last 5 years or so for the same period?

Would like to see that graph

I'd be inclined to think ICE numbers drop in the summer, increase in Autumn, rise in winter, level off again in late Spring

Rrrrrr2 · 19-10-2020 06:56PM

Multipass wrote: »

I’m just hoping we don’t have a repeat of the closing of car parks near woods. Because walking in fresh air is soooo dangerous now. I feel like I’m trapped living in an asylum at this stage, will have to stay away from the news.

This is a lunatic asylum, no question about. The Pitchfork mobs/Nphet (same thing) want the full monty so I'm expecting a repeat of the great March-June "success" with all the trimmings including no trips to the fresh air etc

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 06:57PM

walus wrote: »

But we have been assured that the deaths are coming, right Hmmm? Would you mind telling us when?

I remember much the same point being made for why everything wasn`t opening up as to where the new cases were going to come from.

Johnboy1951 · 19-10-2020 06:57PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Would like to see that graph

I'd be inclined to think ICE numbers drop in the summer, increase in Autumn, rise in winter, level off again in late Spring

You would be correct in thinking that.

political analyst · 19-10-2020 06:58PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

This is a lunatic asylum, no question about. The Pitchfork mobs/Nphet (same thing) want the full monty so I'm expecting a repeat of the great March-June "success" with all the trimmings including no trips to the fresh air etc

There was a 2km limit on how far we could travel but there never was a limit on the number of times one could go walking in one day.

Cirrus Incus · 19-10-2020 06:58PM

I work as a hospital doctor myself and the last lockdown we had were the quietest months I had in my working life. All the elective procedures were cancelled and we just tried to look busy. I felt guilty getting paid to be honest, it was that easy.

Ashleigh1986 · 19-10-2020 06:58PM

If they close things down for the next 6 weeks and people have to stay at home , the online Christmas shopping will go tru the roof .
People won't take the chance that retail will reopen in December .
The damage this is doing to our economy is disastrous .
But these decisions are been taken by politicans and medical people whose salaries and jobs won't be effected.
**** this bull**** that we are all in this together .
Lives are been destroyed and someone for once in Ireland is going to be accountable .

alentejo · 19-10-2020 06:58PM

10 k would be much better. I could get to cycle in the Dublin Mountains

fin12 · 19-10-2020 07:00PM

alentejo wrote: »

10 k would be much better. I could get to cycle in the Dublin Mountains

Just f*cking go, who the f*ck are uputting at risk by cycling up the god damn mountains...

Jizique · 19-10-2020 07:00PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Would like to see that graph

I'd be inclined to think ICE numbers drop in the summer, increase in Autumn, rise in winter, level off again in late Spring

Chap from Mater on morning Ireland today was saying that by their nature, ICU is usually pretty full at all times - makes sense really, if you put the facility in place, you might as well optimize its use

Johnboy1951 · 19-10-2020 07:00PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I remember much the same point being made for why everything wasn`t opening up as to where the new cases were going to come from.

Please do not do as the media and others are doing ........ conflate 'cases' with the necessity for hospitalisation.
Only a tiny percent of those cases require hospital treatment, and much much less require ICU facilities.

That is not the way it is being presented to us unfortunately.

Multipass · 19-10-2020 07:01PM

political analyst wrote: »

There was a 2km limit on how far we could travel but there never was a limit on the number of times one could go walking in one day.

The joke is that my life is in far more danger walking within 5km of my house, from being mown down by the SUVs coming round bends at 100kph. I think I’ll take my chances with checkpoints and continue driving somewhere faaaaar away.

Lundstram · 19-10-2020 07:01PM

Where's Noxy?

acequion · 19-10-2020 07:02PM

py2006 wrote: »

Idiotic comment.

Quite representative of the class of people who think the whole thing is a myth and have a selfish disregard for others.

No. Your comments are idiotic and bigotted. Just look at your choice of language, "class of people" to add to your earlier gems of "tanned and entitled." Calling people selfish because they travel abroad when several studies prove that travel causes a tiny percentage of cases, just 3% at the end of the summer season with aircraft fitted with HEPA filters. A simple google proves all that which is far sounder evidence than your auntie. :rolleyes:

walus · 19-10-2020 07:06PM

Cirrus Incus wrote: »

I work as a hospital doctor myself and the last lockdown we had were the quietest months I had in my working life. All the elective procedures were cancelled and we just tried to look busy. I felt guilty getting paid to be honest, it was that easy.

Would you say that it is possible that HSE are and have been sandbagging admissions fir some time now? Making the case that ICUs would be well occupied so that the government takes action now?

normanoffside · 19-10-2020 07:13PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/this-has-been-the-worst-ever-october-for-hospital-overcrowding-say-nurses-1.4068025

This time last year the hospitals were completely over run with patients with Respiratory issues (11,000 patents on trolleys).

There was no nationwide lockdown or even any restrictions on ordinary life.

This year we are in a much better position and are locking down the whole country for the 2nd time in 6 months.

Madness

Rrrrrr2 · 19-10-2020 07:13PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Where's Noxy?

He's getting in a gym session before they shutter....oh wait!

fin12 · 19-10-2020 07:14PM

Another 200,000 will be out of work with this level 5.

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 07:15PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Please do not do as the media and others are doing ........ conflate 'cases' with the necessity for hospitalisation.
Only a tiny percent of those cases require hospital treatment, and much much less require ICU facilities.

That is not the way it is being presented to us unfortunately.

I`m not and never have.
New cases are rising and we know that as cases rise, the numbers hospitalised rises and ICU admissions rise

Your use of percentage means little if anything other than to highlight that 10% of 20 is 2 whereas 10% of 100 is 10 regardless of how you believe it is being presented to you.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings