Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

breezy1985 · 19-10-2020 10:44AM

lennymc wrote: »

so, cav as a potential lead out man for bennett?

If DQS sign him it'll be for free for the publicity he still brings.

He won't be let anywhere near Sam's sprint train as he is barely good enough to make to the line with the bunch these days

19-10-2020 11:12AM

Odd one indeed. Immediately I thought no way Patrick would pay what Cav is currently on which I assume is a decent chunk and then saw this on Cycling News

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/deceuninck-quickstep-indicate-interest-in-signing-mark-cavendish/

"It's no secret that he would like to return to our squad – free, or free in a manner of speaking," Lefevere wrote, implying that perhaps Cavendish had offered his services for free while potentially still benefiting from personal sponsors.

At this stage he needs a team more than any team need him really.

wirelessdude01 · 19-10-2020 11:15AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

If DQS sign him it'll be for free for the publicity he still brings.

He won't be let anywhere near Sam's sprint train as he is barely good enough to make to the line with the bunch these days

Totally just a goodwill gesture.

1bryan · 19-10-2020 11:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Odd one indeed. Immediately I thought no way Patrick would pay what Cav is currently on which I assume is a decent chunk and then saw this on Cycling News

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/deceuninck-quickstep-indicate-interest-in-signing-mark-cavendish/

At this stage he needs a team more than any team need him really.

thats what occurred to me when I saw this story. He was once a poster-child for Specialized. I wonder if it's them who want him back and will pay his salary, as they do with Sagan.

breezy1985 · 19-10-2020 11:31AM

1bryan wrote: »

thats what occurred to me when I saw this story. He was once a poster-child for Specialized. I wonder if it's them who want him back and will pay his salary, as they do with Sagan.

He would still be a big draw advertising wise in the UK and if you can keep him round long enough to do Tour of Britain and London 6 day next year he might be worth a tiny salary.

But ide say this is nothing more than rumours as DQS won't waste on of their squad places on him

Chivito550 · 21-10-2020 10:18PM

So which stages are the ones that Sam has the best chance in?

And what stages does he have a half chance in?

Will he contest the points classification like he did in France?

There doesn't seem to be many flat stages looking at the stage profiles.

21-10-2020 10:24PM

Friday is is first real chance I'd say, but I wouldn't be looking for him to win a points jersey given the way the points work here, usually the GC guys take the green jersey with the top sprinter in 2nd or 3rd as was the case with Sagan and Viviani.

Was it 2017 when Froome basically robbed Trentin of it on the last day by deciding he wanted that too and placed in the sprint to get some minor points.

EDIT: Sam might have had a few more chances this week had the race started as planned in the Netherlands, which is why the race is only 18 stages and how we ended up with a GC day on day one.

happytramp · 21-10-2020 10:25PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

So which stages are the ones that Sam has the best chance in?

And what stages does he have a half chance in?

Will he contest the points classification like he did in France?

There doesn't seem to be many flat stages looking at the stage profiles.

Haven't looked at the course in any great detail but there appears to be four stages that could theoretically be classed as traditional sprint stages. I'm sure someone else will have more info. The one thing I do know is that it's unlikely he'll contest the points Jersey as (unlike the tour) the same amount of points are given on mountain stages as sprint stages so its nearly always a climber who wins it.

dastardly00 · 21-10-2020 10:29PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

So which stages are the ones that Sam has the best chance in?

And what stages does he have a half chance in?

Will he contest the points classification like he did in France?

There doesn't seem to be many flat stages looking at the stage profiles.

Stage 4 on Friday, Stage 9 next week, and Stage 18 on the final day in Madrid will be his targets.

He might have a slight chance on Stage 14 but more than likely not. I can't really see him competing for any other wins.

There is so much climbing in the Vuelta this year that Sam won't have a hope of winning the Points classification. There is a good chance that whoever wins the overall classification will also win the Points competition. Roglic is currently leading the Points classification and he's amassed 45 points already while Sam has zero

Chivito550 · 21-10-2020 10:38PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Stage 4 on Friday, Stage 9 next week, and Stage 18 on the final day in Madrid will be his targets.

He might have a slight chance on Stage 14 but more than likely not. I can't really see him competing for any other wins.

There is so much climbing in the Vuelta this year that Sam won't have a hope of winning the Points classification. There is a good chance that whoever wins the overall classification will also win the Points competition. Roglic is currently leading the Points classification and he's amassed 45 points already while Sam has zero

What about stage 10?

Dodge · 22-10-2020 12:43AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

What about stage 10?

It’ll all depend on how and the team are feeling and what kind of break gets up the road that day. The Cat 3 climb looks pretty tough

dastardly00 · 22-10-2020 06:31AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

What about stage 10?

The final 1.5 km of the stage is at 6% average gradient. Sam may still be in the peloton up to then, but I can't see him winning the stage with that type of finish. I'd love to be wrong though!

Macy0161 · 22-10-2020 08:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Odd one indeed. Immediately I thought no way Patrick would pay what Cav is currently on which I assume is a decent chunk and then saw this on Cycling News

I'd say Cav is on feck all, or very performance based, now with Bahrain. Never mind what he'll get next time around. Interesting he made the first echelon yesterday, before he crashed out.

Phil Gil was considered something of spent force, and Quick Step got him on a low basic salary (at least first contract) iirc.

breezy1985 · 22-10-2020 09:54AM

Macy0161 wrote: »

I'd say Cav is on feck all, or very performance based, now with Bahrain. Never mind what he'll get next time around. Interesting he made the first echelon yesterday, before he crashed out.

Phil Gil was considered something of spent force, and Quick Step got him on a low basic salary (at least first contract) iirc.

Gilbert was slowing down but Cav can't even keep up with groups that are cruising half the time. Also Gilbert was a Belgian legend and worth way more to DQS than Cav

Macy0161 · 22-10-2020 09:59AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Gilbert was slowing down but Cav can't even keep up with groups that are cruising half the time. Also Gilbert was a Belgian legend and worth way more to DQS than Cav

But still Patrick played hardball. At least with the first contract.

btw, well worth the watch of De Panne - anyone who made that split wasn't cruising anyway!

Chivito550 · 22-10-2020 10:29AM

Is it just me or is there a surprisingly low number of opportunities for the sprinters in this Vuelta compared to the Tour?

I usually only watch the Tour. This is my first time watching the Vuelta so maybe its always like this?

Also what's the rationale for weighting mountain stage points the same as flat stages for green jersey? It's not really a sprinters jersey then is it?

Macy0161 · 22-10-2020 10:34AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Is it just me or is there a surprisingly low number of opportunities for the sprinters in this Vuelta compared to the Tour?

Has been the last few years. I think the cancelled stages would've added more though?

I was trying to explain to my daughter why Sam probably wouldn't get the "green" jersey here, because of the equal waiting. Doesn't make sense, but has still gone down to Madrid stage - Valverde took an intermediate and took the points jersey off Rodríguez.

wirelessdude01 · 22-10-2020 10:35AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Is it just me or is there a surprisingly low number of opportunities for the sprinters in this Vuelta compared to the Tour?

I usually only watch the Tour. This is my first time watching the Vuelta so maybe its always like this?

Also what's the rationale for weighting mountain stage points the same as flat stages for green jersey? It's not really a sprinters jersey then is it?

If it had run as been originally been planned the first stages based in Holkand wouod have been sprinter stages.

Vuelta traditionally has been a horribly hard race. Mounatins are harder than the tour.

Their version of the points Jersey is generally won by a GC contender or the actual GC winner.

breezy1985 · 22-10-2020 10:40AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Is it just me or is there a surprisingly low number of opportunities for the sprinters in this Vuelta compared to the Tour?

I usually only watch the Tour. This is my first time watching the Vuelta so maybe its always like this?

Also what's the rationale for weighting mountain stage points the same as flat stages for green jersey? It's not really a sprinters jersey then is it?

Before the covid changes it actually had more sprint stages than normal but ya the Vuelta is almost all up and down with little flat.

The green jersey is the points jersey not sprinters jersey it just usually works out this way and the Vuelta is behind the rest is changing the points to help sprinters. This is mostly down to the fact that local hero Valverde is forever in green under current rules and they probably won't change until a top sprinter emerges in Spain

CramCycle · 22-10-2020 11:56AM

Patrick pays over the top for no one, he also pays for no one that can't deliver to his budget. Cav isn't getting signed for them unless its a coach or as someone else said, a drive through guy on not much money. Having seen some of his work for Bahrain, he still is tactically very astute and knows how to get the best out of the situation.

22-10-2020 12:06PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Patrick pays over the top for no one, he also pays for no one that can't deliver to his budget. Cav isn't getting signed for them unless its a coach or as someone else said, a drive through guy on not much money. Having seen some of his work for Bahrain, he still is tactically very astute and knows how to get the best out of the situation.

Yeah the role he played in Phil Bauhaus' win in the Saudi Tour earlier in the year is a perfect example of what he can offer these days.

breezy1985 · 22-10-2020 12:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah the role he played in Phil Bauhaus' win in the Saudi Tour earlier in the year is a perfect example of what he can offer these days.

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not

connachta · 22-10-2020 12:44PM

Sprint t'morrow and in the meantime, Dan Martin on the podium. No complain, here

breezy1985 · 22-10-2020 12:48PM

connachta wrote: »

Sprint t'morrow and in the meantime, Dan Martin on the podium. No complain, here

Ironically with his skillset and this form it'll be Dan who will be a favourite for Green overall. He's already minding it for Rog today

connachta · 22-10-2020 01:55PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Ironically with his skillset and this form it'll be Dan who will be a favourite for Green overall. He's already minding it for Rog today

Gosh 2 Irishmen in green, what a year it would be:D

22-10-2020 02:38PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not

Oh no quite genuine there, he was a big part tactically in that win putting his experience use.

connachta · 22-10-2020 03:58PM

Here we are, Dan Martin has won!

breezy1985 · 22-10-2020 05:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh no quite genuine there, he was a big part tactically in that win putting his experience use.

He should head back to Ineos. The was they transformed Rowe, Thomas and now Dennis Im sure they could turn him into a mountain dom with the marginal gains

Macy0161 · 22-10-2020 07:54PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

He should head back to Ineos. The was they transformed Rowe, Thomas and now Dennis Im sure they could turn him into a mountain dom with the marginal gains

Dennis had a go at GC before going skineos. Part of the reason he went was to focus on tt and to be a domestique, as he didn't have the head of GC.

breezy1985 · 22-10-2020 08:01PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

Dennis had a go at GC before going skineos. Part of the reason he went was to focus on tt and to be a domestique, as he didn't have the head of GC.

Even Ineos a*** suckers Hatch and Smith were saying they never expected anything near that from Dennis

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