Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

ACitizenErased · 17-10-2020 11:59AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

State to begin testing rapid Covid-19 antigen kits for national rollout

Rapid testing kits could potentially be approved by the end of the year

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/state-to-begin-testing-rapid-covid-19-antigen-kits-for-national-rollout-1.4383213

Fingers crossed the trials are successful

would be a good help to have rapid, cheap tests

It’s absolutely f*cking criminal that NPHET haven’t recommended any change to the way we test.

speckle · 17-10-2020 12:00PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Where was I back in 2009? I hardly noticed the swine flu and no care in the world. I had a crappy phone and couldn't barely access the internet. I hardly watched the news so have no idea if they went on about cases. I was working at the time and my workplace had no guidance or advice. There was none of this 2 metre apart and wearing masks.

Covid has really brought on bad anxiety for me and I just want to join my cat under the bed.

I had a very interesting swine flu time, but thats for another thread... actually that whole year was crazy. Spend more time with the cat... it will de stess you. miaow.
Actually it has been inteterestong observing the furry friends reactions to our reactions to covid. Go on have a duvet day yourself and the cat.

igCorcaigh · 17-10-2020 12:04PM

speckle wrote: »

I had a very interesting swine flu time, but thats for another thread... actually that whole year was crazy. Spend more time with the cat... it will de stess you. miaow.
Actually it has been inteterestong observing the furry friends reactions to our reactions to covid. Go on have a duvet day yourself and the cat.

I was knocked out for 2 days with swine flu back in 2009. Worst ive ever felt except for kidney infection.

hmmm · 17-10-2020 12:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It’s absolutely f*cking criminal that NPHET haven’t recommended any change to the way we test.

You have to test this stuff properly before approving it for use - we can't have people walking around thinking they don't have Covid because the test was wrong.

Icyseanfitz · 17-10-2020 12:06PM

So our unelected government are about to yet again not listen to their own health experts reccomendations, Jesus wept, how bad does it need to get

Christy42 · 17-10-2020 12:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

SAGE recommends the following restrictions to reduce the R number in the UK, and states that closing schools could have the greatest impact.

Close all bars, pubs, cafes and restaurants could reduce R by 0.1-0.2
Close all indoor gyms and leisure centres could reduce R by up to 0.1
Closing non-essential retail would have "minimal impact" on transmission
Stopping people mixing in homes could reduce R by 0.1-0.2
Working from home reduce R by 0.2-0.4
Closing all schools could reduce R by 0.2-0.5

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54514387

Weren't SAGE the same secretive lot that set the UK on the path to hers immunity and shaking everyone's hands?

The UK has not been transparent with what data they have been following. I would trust most other countries findings ahead of them.

Why are people so obsessed with blaming schools? They have a ridiculous amount of procedures in place. Classes have been staggered so most kids are not near each other. Desks are washed repeatedly with heavy mask usage within the buildings.

Are we so keen to ruin these kids educations? Remember many do not have great study environments at home for online learning. Online learning is great with dedicated students but that isn't what we have in a school.

speckle · 17-10-2020 12:07PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I literally don't see a way out.
Having a bit of a wobble here and I've been steady throughout.

The restrictions of nobody being able to visit even in the garden is shocking to me.
I've only had people in the garden since march as I understand fluid dynamics.

The thoughts of six months of this is getting in on me.

I'm putting it out there. I don't know the solution.

This is killer.

Can you tslk over the wall or fence to neighbours at a safe distance. or bring a collapable
camp chair or stool or even a spike stool if out in the countryside. Wrap up well, layers hat fingerless/gloves even a blanket and your own hot flask. Hot packs or hot .water bottle Even walking sticks and walkers now that turn into stools. cars the same window down a little bit

FintanMcluskey · 17-10-2020 12:08PM

Is Ireland the only EU country that has a ban on social visits between households?

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 12:09PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

So our unelected government are about to yet again not listen to their own health experts reccomendations, Jesus wept, how bad does it need to get

Our elected government is about to do what they are elected to do. Consider the advice they have been given but weigh it up with other considerations. Nphet despite the desire of many do not run the country.

Icyseanfitz · 17-10-2020 12:13PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Our elected government is about to do what they are elected to do. Consider the advice they have been given but weigh it up with other considerations. Nphet despite the desire of many do not run the country.

All our 3 idiots are doing is prolonging the pain, they put a level 4 an 5 into their own damn plan for when things got bad, yet seemingly put no thought into how to actually use said level 4+5, things have got bad, level 3 isnt working. A bit of strong leadership wouldn't go astray at the moment.

seamus · 17-10-2020 12:14PM

rob316 wrote: »

We closed everything in march so how do you know the effect of closing just schools?

That's a really empty statement.

Schools and universities were closed for two weeks, when practically everything else was open.
There was no difference in infection rates, not even a blip.

Lockdown only started two weeks after the schools were closed.

17-10-2020 12:15PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Weren't SAGE the same secretive lot that set the UK on the path to hers immunity and shaking everyone's hands?

The UK has not been transparent with what data they have been following. I would trust most other countries findings ahead of them.

Why are people so obsessed with blaming schools? They have a ridiculous amount of procedures in place. Classes have been staggered so most kids are not near each other. Desks are washed repeatedly with heavy mask usage within the buildings.

Are we so keen to ruin these kids educations? Remember many do not have great study environments at home for online learning. Online learning is great with dedicated students but that isn't what we have in a school.

I agree with this, and this would be one of the better reasons for keeping schools open.

At my relative's school in Donegal, none of the children are wearing masks (I know thats not easy to implement with young children). A lad at my nephew's table told him that his older brother and sister were tested 2 weeks ago because there were some cases at the local secondary school. The school is still open.

New Zealand have a 5 level decision system for keeping schools open, or closing them.

• Level 1: When a student or staff member has no symptoms but close contact with a confirmed case - track and trace.

• Level 2: When a student or staff member has symptoms and close contact with a confirmed case or tests positive - close school temporarily or for at least 72 hours.

• Level 3: When there are cases from multiple families in the same school that could be community transmission - 14-day closure.

• Level 4: When there is confirmed community transmission but contained to a geographical area - close all schools and centres in that location for 14 days.

• Level 5: Community transmission on a national level - close all schools and centres for at least 14 days.

Coillte_Bhoy · 17-10-2020 12:15PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

So our unelected government are about to yet again not listen to their own health experts reccomendations, Jesus wept, how bad does it need to get

Whaaaa? :eek:

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 12:16PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

All our 3 idiots are doing is prolonging the pain, they put a level 4 an 5 into their own damn plan for when things got bad, yet seemingly put no thought into how to actually use said level 4+5, things have got bad, level 3 isnt working. A bit of strong leadership wouldn't go astray at the moment.

Strong leadership from whom, do yourself a favour and don't mention Holohan. He's the guy that told nursing homes in March not to restrict visitors. Worked out well.

Birdy · 17-10-2020 12:17PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Jdbfitzgerald/status/1317371910557208577?s=20

This is criminal. Schools are workplaces too and need to be treated like everywhere else.

frank8211 · 17-10-2020 12:17PM

circadian wrote: »

I've noticed several of our local clubs still training, including junior age groups. Large groups using all the local pitches. Although this is dublin so I'm not sure what the guidance is at the minute.

That stuff should stop

Icyseanfitz · 17-10-2020 12:18PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Whaaaa? :eek:

Unelected was probably a bit sensationalist, apologies, however did anyone really really want mehole as Taoisach? Saying that i can't stand any of our shower of useless politicians.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 12:19PM

hmmm wrote: »

You have to test this stuff properly before approving it for use - we can't have people walking around thinking they don't have Covid because the test was wrong.

True, but couldn't they rely on testing done in other countries e.g. Germany. I don't see why we need to do our own testing.

mcburns07 · 17-10-2020 12:19PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

All our 3 idiots are doing is prolonging the pain, they put a level 4 an 5 into their own damn plan for when things got bad, yet seemingly put no thought into how to actually use said level 4+5, things have got bad, level 3 isnt working. A bit of strong leadership wouldn't go astray at the moment.

Define bad? Define not working? And while you're at it, make your case for skipping level 4.

You haven't a f**kin breeze what you're talking about.

Non solum non ambulabit · 17-10-2020 12:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

SAGE recommends the following restrictions to reduce the R number in the UK, and states that closing schools could have the greatest impact.

Close all bars, pubs, cafes and restaurants could reduce R by 0.1-0.2
Close all indoor gyms and leisure centres could reduce R by up to 0.1
Closing non-essential retail would have "minimal impact" on transmission
Stopping people mixing in homes could reduce R by 0.1-0.2
Working from home reduce R by 0.2-0.4
Closing all schools could reduce R by 0.2-0.5

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54514387

Misrepresentating data. SAGE included universities and all other educational settings with adults under schools.

Also, we are not the UK. Show me Irish data.

Boggles · 17-10-2020 12:19PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1317229951117103110?s=19

This a great thread. School children are tested intensely yet have lowest positivity.

School children are not the problem.

GAA parties have been way more detrimental to the spread of Covid.

Sure if 'Danny Boy' on Twitter says so, must be legit.

Goldrickssan · 17-10-2020 12:20PM

Let's play a game of "what new law will the government threaten and never implement"

50euro fine for bringing more than 10 items through self checkout.
69euro fine for buying condoms if you're not married or living with your partner

Icyseanfitz · 17-10-2020 12:21PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Strong leadership from whom, do yourself a favour and don't mention Holohan. He's the guy that told nursing homes in March not it restrict visitors. Worked out well.

Therein is the problem really, we don't have anyone, I'd listen to holohan more so that the 3 though, he isn't playing political games, he and nphet have one job, public health and curbing the growth of this virus.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 12:22PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Misrepresentating data. SAGE included universities under schools.

Also, we are not the UK. Show me Irish data.

I would add the SAGE data predates the availability of comprehensive ONS data, which allows us to track infection rates in children over the last 6 weeks. Also SAGE has not recommended that schools close. Finally, even using the SAGE data, closing pubs and gyms would have a similar impact to closing schools.

Benimar · 17-10-2020 12:23PM

seamus wrote: »

Schools and universities were closed for two weeks, when practically everything else was open.
There was no difference in infection rates, not even a blip.

Lockdown only started two weeks after the schools were closed.

Well that’s not correct. On 12th March schools/universities closed and many people were asked to WFH.

By 28th March when the more stringent measures came in, it is estimated that the r number fell from 4 to approx 1.6.

Now I know schools are only an element of that as WFH had an impact, but to say there wasn’t even a blip is wrong.

FintanMcluskey · 17-10-2020 12:23PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Therein is the problem really, we don't have anyone, I'd listen to holohan more so that the 3 though, he isn't playing political games, he and nphet have one job, public health and curbing the growth of this virus.

Your not the only one who doesn’t understand NPHET are not concerned with public health, only Covid.

Icyseanfitz · 17-10-2020 12:24PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Define bad? Define not working? And while you're at it, make your case for skipping level 4.

You haven't a f**kin breeze what you're talking about.

Dublin, there you go, not working, where did i advocate for skipping level 4? They should have gone to that when they where advised initially for level 5 by nphet.

I would also assume you know absolutely **** all as well

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 12:25PM

Benimar wrote: »

Well that’s not correct. On 12th March schools/universities closed and many people were asked to WFH.

By 28th March when the more stringent measures came in, it is estimated that the r number fell from 4 to approx 1.6.

Now I know schools are only an element of that as WFH had an impact, but to say there wasn’t even a blip is wrong.

Yes, the 28th March measures had a big impact but there is no data showing the 12th March measures made any difference.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 12:25PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Therein is the problem really, we don't have anyone, I'd listen to holohan more so that the 3 though, he isn't playing political games, he and nphet have one job, public health and curbing the growth of this virus.

Holohan and the rest of his team have only one job and that is to advise on the handling of Covid, nothing else. Government have many other things to handle. Example throwing several hundred thousand people onto the PUP scheme if they close the country like Holohan wants. I have zero respect for Holohan and that stems form the Cervical smear scandal way before Covid. He didn't help himself that not even his first day back he wanted a full lockdown despite his team's advice 3 days earlier. He has no credibility in my opinion .

mloc123 · 17-10-2020 12:26PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I would add the SAGE data predates the availability of comprehensive ONS data, which allows us to track infection rates in children over the last 6 weeks. Also SAGE has not recommended that schools close. Finally, even using the SAGE data, closing pubs and gyms would have a similar impact to closing schools.

But the close the schools brigade like a few pints and don't have any children...

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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