Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Widdensushi · 17-10-2020 10:26AM

duffman13 wrote: »

Why the drip feed of data lately everyday. Hospital numbers, ICU numbers, swab numbers and then finally case numbers. Some people seem to be living for these numbers. Just release it all together at 6pm and stop this constant flow of info throughout the day

No need to wait till 6,we were getting the case numbers at 1 o clock on here till the leak was stopped

Ger Roe · 17-10-2020 10:26AM

Necro wrote: »

I dunno about y'all but I'm taking a week off it all from today. Conversations are fairly circular too so no point in repeating myself ad nauseum

Take it easy Necro .... it will all be still here when you are ready to engage again.
A break is a good idea... we should all do it before we all go mad(der).:p

Happydays2020 · 17-10-2020 10:26AM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Oh sorry. I misunderstood.

It is really to ensure the cohesiveness of what is an unstable Government. While NPHET are impatient to lock us up, any further restrictions (or not) needs to be carefully managed as other we could see a collapse of Govt. and a general election. And I don’t think an election is needed right now - the politics are so fraught that electoral reform to allow postal voting cannot even be considered.

Humberto Salazar · 17-10-2020 10:26AM

The lack of leadership is bad. Martin and Varadkar putting out statements daily, and it's hard to tell who's in charge. Is the cabinet meeting? When will they update the public? Today? Monday? NPHET get too much public airing. They should be privately in close contact with the government. The Health Minister then must coordinate the information he gets and relay a coherent timeline and put the public in the frame, whether they agree or not. There are just too many strands coming out from government, no one knows what's going on.

manniot2 · 17-10-2020 10:27AM

Boggles wrote: »

Not what I asked but which one?

I never suggested you lied, completely detached from reality, definitely.

Vincents. And Dr Lambert of the Mater said the same thing during the week.

Happydays2020 · 17-10-2020 10:27AM

Necro wrote: »

I dunno about y'all but I'm taking a week off it all from today. Conversations are fairly circular too so no point in repeating myself ad nauseum

Hopefully the recovery continues.

Happydays2020 · 17-10-2020 10:28AM

manniot2 wrote: »

Vincents. And Dr Lambert of the Mater said the same thing during the week.

What would they know compared to the perspectives of a randomer on the net?

rob316 · 17-10-2020 10:31AM

seamus wrote: »

We closed schools in March and it made no difference.

Say it again, ten times.

We cannot close schools without shuttering the economy.

We closed everything in march so how do you know the effect of closing just schools?

That's a really empty statement.

owlbethere · 17-10-2020 10:33AM

Ardent wrote: »

Schools and colleges

The after parties of GAA matches too

plodder · 17-10-2020 10:33AM

I see Tomás Ryan is back pushing the Zero Covid thing .. and a few straw men.

FintanMcluskey · 17-10-2020 10:41AM

plodder wrote: »

I see Tomás Ryan is back pushing the Zero Covid thing .. and a few straw men.

In his article mentions zero covid countries are outperforming their counter parts economically.

Despite the fact New Zealand is entering the worst recession and has seen the largest GDP drop on record.

blackcard · 17-10-2020 10:46AM

plodder wrote: »

I see Tomás Ryan is back pushing the Zero Covid thing .. and a few straw men.

Over the past 6 weeks or so, I have been watching the case numbers in Belgium. They seem to be always about 2 weeks ahead of us in relation to case numbers. Based on them getting over 10,000 cases yesterday and the day before and an average of 40 deaths for both days, we are heading for 5000 cases and 20 deaths per day in a couple of weeks. Hope that I am completely wrong

GooglePlus · 17-10-2020 10:46AM

seamus wrote: »

NPHET disagree.

This is the shortest post of yours that I've seen, we must be in trouble.

Str8outtaWuhan · 17-10-2020 10:47AM

I'm assuming Level 4 basically shuts the economy bar essential shops, while keeping schools and GAA going?

froog · 17-10-2020 10:48AM

mountgomery burns · 17-10-2020 10:49AM

plodder wrote: »

I see Tomás Ryan is back pushing the Zero Covid thing .. and a few straw men.

"Then there is the often-visceral manner in which ZeroCovid is criticised. But if it is such a ridiculous strategy, then why the need to be so defensive towards it?"

I mean you could say the exact same thing about "anti-maskers, open it all up"

It's hardly a point worth mentioning in defense of any strategy or viewpoint.

GooglePlus · 17-10-2020 10:53AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

"Then there is the often-visceral manner in which ZeroCovid is criticised. But if it is such a ridiculous strategy, then why the need to be so defensive towards it?"

I mean you could say the exact same thing about "anti-maskers, open it all up"

It's hardly a point worth mentioning in defense of any strategy or viewpoint.

What is the definition of zero covid?

Polar101 · 17-10-2020 10:54AM

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

The lack of leadership is bad. Martin and Varadkar putting out statements daily, and it's hard to tell who's in charge. Is the cabinet meeting? When will they update the public? Today? Monday? NPHET get too much public airing. They should be privately in close contact with the government. The Health Minister then must coordinate the information he gets and relay a coherent timeline and put the public in the frame, whether they agree or not. There are just too many strands coming out from government, no one knows what's going on.

Feels like there's Varadkar running his own show and creating confusion, Martin saying there is no confusion, a health minister who we don't hear from very often, and then there's the "leaked" NPHET stuff which is hardly helpful in any way.

And every time something is being discussed in the cabinet, there's always "private leaks". It's an odd way to run a country.

plodder · 17-10-2020 10:55AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

"Then there is the often-visceral manner in which ZeroCovid is criticised. But if it is such a ridiculous strategy, then why the need to be so defensive towards it?"

I mean you could say the exact same thing about "anti-maskers, open it all up"

It's hardly a point worth mentioning in defense of any strategy or viewpoint.

It's like he is arguing with Ivor Cummins, but Cummins is not the one who he needs to convince to go with Zero Covid.

speckle · 17-10-2020 10:56AM

Ger Roe wrote: »

This is the experience in my child's secondary school too. Sometimes, when they move to different classes, the membership of the pods change.... even if there are people there that were already with them in another class pod. There was also no attempt to take account of existing friends groups when deciding pod membership. This means that the circle of mixing is increased when they are on breaks and hook up with their friends.

My child was home on Thursday because of a teacher shortage. Various year groups are taking a day a week off for that reason. Teachers and pupils disappear without explanation and the rumour machine runs rife.

We get the occasional text saying that a case has been identified 'within the school community' but that DOH has said to keep calm and carry on. So far, it is four confirmed cases, but that does not take account of the number of pupils and teachers 'missing in action'.

The kids themselves can point out these inconsistencies and they are not happy about being treated like this. A previous offer to facilitate online learning has been withdrawn because 'management have decided' that it will not be made available in the current circumstances . IE - Keep Calm, Carry On, and pretend all is normal.

The school's are open, but what quality of service are they providing?

Our local before it started asked the kids via of course the parents to nominate two friends they wanted on their pod, which helped immensely re mixing but also for the wellbeing of the kids.

eagle eye · 17-10-2020 11:00AM

seamus wrote:

We cannot close schools without shuttering the economy.

At some stage the country is going into lockdown, the linger you wait the longer that lockdown will be.

We should have been in lockdown in late August, a less restrictive lockdown than what's needed now and for a shorter period.

We are putting it on the long finger and the economy will suffer a lot more the longer we wait.

GooglePlus · 17-10-2020 11:00AM

Polar101 wrote: »

Feels like there's Varadkar running his own show and creating confusion, Martin saying there is no confusion, a health minister who we don't hear from very often, and then there's the "leaked" NPHET stuff which is hardly helpful in any way.

And every time something is being discussed in the cabinet, there's always "private leaks". It's an odd way to run a country.

Coalition doesn't work, too many big heads bumping into eachother.

Ger Roe · 17-10-2020 11:01AM

speckle wrote: »

Our local before it started asked the kids via of course the patents to nominate two friends they wanted on their pod, which helped immensely re mixing but also for the wellbeing of the kids.

Good move. Was it a primary or secondary school?

froog · 17-10-2020 11:02AM

manniot2 wrote: »

as per prior years

doesnt change the fact that they are overwhelmed and can't cope with the extra load from Covid.

blade1 · 17-10-2020 11:03AM

Solli · 17-10-2020 11:05AM

In a recent study of 201 people, mean age 44 who have had Covid
“In a young, low-risk population with ongoing symptoms, almost 70% of individuals have impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. There are implications not only for burden of long COVID but also public health approaches which have assumed low risk in young people with no comorbidities.“

niallo27 · 17-10-2020 11:06AM

eagle eye wrote: »

At some stage the country is going into lockdown, the linger you wait the longer that lockdown will be.

We should have been in lockdown in late August, a less restrictive lockdown than what's needed now and for a shorter period.

We are putting it on the long finger and the economy will suffer a lot more the longer we wait.

When you say lockdown, do you mean a full level 5 lockdown in late August.

eagle eye · 17-10-2020 11:06AM

Solli wrote:

In a recent study of 201 people, mean age 44 who have had Covid â€œIn a young, low-risk population with ongoing symptoms, almost 70% of individuals have impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. There are implications not only for burden of long COVID but also public health approaches which have assumed low risk in young people with no comorbidities.â€œ

Have you a link to this study?

Solli · 17-10-2020 11:07AM

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.14.20212555v1

niallo27 · 17-10-2020 11:08AM

Solli wrote: »

In a recent study of 201 people, mean age 44 who have had Covid
“In a young, low-risk population with ongoing symptoms, almost 70% of individuals have impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. There are implications not only for burden of long COVID but also public health approaches which have assumed low risk in young people with no comorbidities.“

Can you link the study, did the 201 people go to hospital or not and when you say impairment, what exactly do you mean. Its all a bit vague.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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