Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

kayjay123 · 17-10-2020 09:25AM

Have a hotel booked next weekend if we go to level 4 it says hotels can stay open for existing guests. As i am already booked am I considered an 'existing guest'?

Necro · 17-10-2020 09:26AM

Longing wrote: »

Is GAA training at local level still prohibited under level 4. Noticed my local club training last night. 25+

Should be no club activity as they suspended it two weeks ago. Though I suspect if the county you're from hasn't concluded the county finals and your club are involved they'll continue training till it's allowed run again.

Might have been intercounty though. That's permitted.

Ger Roe · 17-10-2020 09:27AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Going to meet my nephew in the park for a game of ball, illegal?

Hardly any of the current recommendations have legal status. There are indications that this might change, but I am not sure if the gov really wants to go the route of enforcement.

circadian · 17-10-2020 09:28AM

Longing wrote: »

Is GAA training at local level still prohibited under level 4. Noticed my local club training last night. 25+

I've noticed several of our local clubs still training, including junior age groups. Large groups using all the local pitches. Although this is dublin so I'm not sure what the guidance is at the minute.

Necro · 17-10-2020 09:29AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

But there is evidence - have you read the Alisdair Munro Twitter thread on ONS data re infection rates by age? It's very clear that the virus spreads much less quickly amongst children. Please read it

But cases for 0-15 year olds have increased by 160% since August, and in 15-24 year olds by 200%?

harr · 17-10-2020 09:29AM

kayjay123 wrote: »

Have a hotel booked next weekend if we go to level 4 it says hotels can stay open for existing guests. As i am already booked am I considered an 'existing guest'?

No , that’s for existing guests to finish their stay but hotel won’t be checking in new guests.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 09:31AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Is this right in respect to our comparative position? I was getting the sense we were now at the same levels of Spain given the hysteria (not that it should be a target).

https://twitter.com/danobrien20/status/1317030997314195458?s=21

NPHET have said and will continue to recommend Level 5 with the numbers of cases and transmission rates and the media will report and speculate on this. What is different now from March is that three of the metrics used, hospital cases, ICU and deaths are not at a point where the health system is in danger. It is working with COVID and largely operating as a health system. That IMO is what is giving the government a sense of wriggle room. I don't believe they want to go to a complete Level 5 set of restrictions and will tweak as they can to avoid it.

17-10-2020 09:32AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Is this right in respect to our comparative position? I was getting the sense we were now at the same levels of Spain given the hysteria (not that it should be a target).

https://twitter.com/danobrien20/status/1317030997314195458?s=21

Deaths yes it is correct. Cases we are pretty much on par with the USA, unfortunately we have to expect an increase in deaths over the next 28 days.

Widdensushi · 17-10-2020 09:37AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

International travel wasn't a problem, but then it was.

The nursing homes weren't a problem, but then they were.

It baffles me that people think the lack of evidence of schools being part of the problem means that they're 100% unquestionably safe. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I don't think anything is 100% safe, that is not a fair level to meet, schools are high risk and I believe there is more transmission there than we are led to believe, I also believe that the reason they are open is that those making the decision have evidence that shows massive long term consequences of closing all the schools and are delaying it as long as possible, sometimes the cure can be worse than the disease.

Happydays2020 · 17-10-2020 09:37AM

Another interesting tweet. Is it demographics? Population density? Obesity?

https://twitter.com/nanjala1/status/1317318297306660864?s=21

Gael23 · 17-10-2020 09:41AM

260 now in hospital

Boggles · 17-10-2020 09:41AM

260 in hospital. 19 Admissions, 18 Discharges in the last 24 hours.

30 ICU not clear if it has updated today.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 09:42AM

Boggles wrote: »

260 in hospital. 19 Admissions, 18 Discharges in the last 24 hours.

30 ICU not clear if it has updated today.

ICU doesn't usually update until 11/11.30.

Ardent · 17-10-2020 09:44AM

obi604 wrote: »

In the latter half of the summer, there was no real lockdown and yet the cases stayed relatively low........still a few but nothing major.

What made this all change so badly in the last few weeks?

Schools and colleges

The Nal · 17-10-2020 09:45AM

Can someone explain to be why the government are meeting today to discuss a likely lockdown yet this is still happening?

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-arrivals

what the **** are they at?

Ger Roe · 17-10-2020 09:46AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

I don't think anything is 100% safe, that is not a fair level to meet, schools are high risk and I believe there is more transmission there than we are led to believe, I also believe that the reason they are open is that those making the decision have evidence that shows massive long term consequences of closing all the schools and are delaying it as long as possible, sometimes the cure can be worse than the disease.

Agreed, but there are long term consequences developing in schools now. Second level students are coming to the conclusion that they are guinea pigs, they see the circumstances they are being asked to operate in, and they are not happy about it. Teachers have even shared their reservations openly with students in the school that I am most familliar with.

There has been no attempt to gauge the effectiveness of learning in the new scenario's - it's just a numbers attending game and that is not good enough.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 17-10-2020 09:47AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Another interesting tweet. Is it demographics? Population density? Obesity?

https://twitter.com/nanjala1/status/1317318297306660864?s=21

Or is it testing and undetected deaths. A lot of this we will find out later on when we look at excess deaths.

Looking at some countries on worldometers there is a clear shortage of testing so deaths may not be attributed right.

There was an interesting article on the BBC website a few weeks back about how we should take all stats with a pinch of salt and how we won't know which countries actually did well or badly till a year after the pandemic passes. Then we will be able to do seroprevalence studies and count excess deaths.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 09:48AM

Ardent wrote: »

Schools and colleges

Cases were rising since start of August at much the same rate. We just didn't notice it as much then because the absolute number of cases was relatively small.

Blanco100 · 17-10-2020 09:48AM

Ger Roe wrote: »

This is the experience in my child's secondary school too. Sometimes, when they move to different classes, the membership of the pods change.... even if there are people there that were already with them in another class pod. There was also no attempt to take account of existing friends groups when deciding pod membership. This means that the circle of mixing is increased when they are on breaks and hook up with their friends.

My child was home on Thursday because of a teacher shortage. Various year groups are taking a day a week off for that reason. Teachers and pupils disappear without explanation and the rumour machine runs rife.

We get the occasional text saying that a case has been identified 'within the school community' but that DOH has said to keep calm and carry on. So far, it is four confirmed cases, but that does not take account of the number of pupils and teachers 'missing in action'.

The kids themselves can point out these inconsistencies and they are not happy about being treated like this. A previous offer to facilitate online learning has been withdrawn because 'management have decided' that it will not be made available in the current circumstances . IE - Keep Calm, Carry On, and pretend all is normal.

The school's are open, but what quality of service are they providing?

Parent of a secondary school kid, multiple free classes in the day. Not sure if the teachers are absent or if they are being directed elsewhere where there is more pressing need.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 09:48AM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Agreed, but there are long term consequences developing in schools now. Second level students are coming to the conclusion that they are guinea pigs, they see the circumstances they are being asked to operate in, and they are not happy about it. Teachers have even shared their reservations openly with students in the school that I am most familliar with.

There has been no attempt to gauge the effectiveness of learning in the new scenario's - it's just a numbers attending game and that is not good enough.

You can't gauge the effectiveness of something you don't measure ordinarily!

manniot2 · 17-10-2020 09:50AM

The Nal wrote: »

Can someone explain to be why the government are meeting today to discuss a likely lockdown yet this is still happening?

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-arrivals

what the **** are they at?

trying to keep a country afloat? We will be a VERY poor country if we lose connectivity as well as everything else after this fiasco.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 09:50AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Cases were rising since start of August at much the same rate. We just didn't notice it as much then because the absolute number of cases was relatively small.

We can also point to superspreading events and very relaxed adult behaviour as sources.

Ger Roe · 17-10-2020 09:51AM

is_that_so wrote: »

You can't gauge the effectiveness of something you don't measure ordinarily!

True, but in these exceptional circumstances and particularly with the focus on mental health aspects of this situation, there should be a serious attempt to gauge the effect of this new (non)operating process.

harr · 17-10-2020 09:51AM

Ardent wrote: »

Schools and colleges

Not just school , down my way it was connected to schools alright it was the huge number of communions and confirmations in a short period of time.
Instead of going out for the day most people had party’s at home .. 40 or 50 at time . Bouncy castles huge marquees the works and a lot of people could be attending a number of different parties in same day.
Also the larger number of county finals over the course of a few weekends the country pubs were packed after the games and people had no problem posting photos of the celebration on social media.

The Nal · 17-10-2020 09:52AM

manniot2 wrote: »

trying to keep a country afloat? We will be a VERY poor country if we lose connectivity as well as everything else after this fiasco.

Returning Irish holiday makers from Malaga ae vital to the economy.

manniot2 · 17-10-2020 09:52AM

Thousands and thousands of cases in recent weeks and 30 people in ICU with COVID out of a country of nearly 5m. This really is a complete joke at this stage.

manniot2 · 17-10-2020 09:53AM

The Nal wrote: »

Returning Irish holiday makers from Malaga ae vital to the economy.

Yes that is the sole purpose of an airport in a country with one of the most open economies on earth.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 09:54AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Or is it testing and undetected deaths. A lot of this we will find out later on when we look at excess deaths.

Looking at some countries on worldometers there is a clear shortage of testing so deaths may not be attributed right.

There was an interesting article on the BBC website a few weeks back about how we should take all stats with a pinch of salt and how we won't know which countries actually did well or badly till a year after the pandemic passes. Then we will be able to do seroprevalence studies and count excess deaths.

Even in a report of who did well or badly, there will be an appendix five times as long as the report on each country. What we should be looking at is what could and can work. Once we get out the end of this we can expect to have a lot of tools so who did what is just a historical record.

seamus · 17-10-2020 09:55AM

We closed schools in March and it made no difference.

Say it again, ten times.

We cannot close schools without shuttering the economy.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 09:56AM

manniot2 wrote: »

Thousands and thousands of cases in recent weeks and 30 people in ICU with COVID out of a country of nearly 5m. This really is a complete joke at this stage.

I'd use the word relief and give a nod to the medical people who now know so much more about the management of COVID.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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